Its nice to have something to be proud of again

[mikey2much]

America is back in space again with an active program. Its a shame that they have to squeak by on GOP funding but they are still alive. I feel sure that the program was throttled by republican purse strings and that is why we are flying into the future with a spaceship from the pass. But we are still in the race for space.

 

[Que]

Those fuckin' anti-NASA Republicans!!!

Did you know that the Arabs invented the zero?

 

[PayDay]

rofl @ 'GOP funding' is hurting NASA.

Balkinor Space Base. Who funds that? When did that start? Who cut NASA's budget.

This thread is stupid, partisan, and fucktarded.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-russia-is-getting-a-457-9m-check-from-nasa/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...ism-rockets-special-rep-idUSKCN0J22BQ20141118

http://www******.com/7834-president-obama-propose-abandoning-nasa-moon-plan.html

 

[Que]

rofl @ 'GOP funding' is hurting NASA.

Balkinor Space Base. Who funds that? When did that start? Who cut NASA's budget.

This thread is stupid, partisan, and fucktarded.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-russia-is-getting-a-457-9m-check-from-nasa/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...ism-rockets-special-rep-idUSKCN0J22BQ20141118

http://www******.com/7834-president-obama-propose-abandoning-nasa-moon-plan.html

You think?

 

[PayDay]

You think?

Yes. Yes I do.

 

[Que]

Yes. Yes I do.

Well. After actually reading the supplementary material you provided, I have come to conclude that your assessment of the original post, and by extension, the original poster has merit.

I suspect the OP will only digest the last 5 words of the above sentence.

 

[eyer]

It's nice to have a bureaucratic bone for a lemming to gnaw on again

America is back in space again with an active program. Its a shame that they have to squeak by on GOP funding but they are still alive. I feel sure that the program was throttled by republican purse strings and that is why we are flying into the future with a spaceship from the pass. But we are still in the race for space.

Even for an old, used-up, socialist stoner....

...you're still such an incredibly absolute dunce, mikey.


Orion: a last-ditch effort by a fading empire that will never strike back

When a space startup has twice the force for a fraction of the cost, you know the US government has a problem

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/05/nasa-orion-launch-space-startup

 

[mikey2much]

I don't want to argue with fools

I said that I am glad and proud that we are doing something that the American public can see. No matter what your rich masters tell you guys, there is a need for government and this is one of them.

If you are going to try to tell me that everything possible to be cut by the last few decades of republicans hasn't been cut. I would like to see the proof. Bush, the elder raised taxes and you guys cut him off at the knees. Please don't try to act like you funded this project. If it exist, it exist in spite of a lack of funding by you guys.

 

[mikey2much]

Did you read the links?

You think?

The first one told how we have been reduced to hiring rides with the russians because we have no way to get to the ISS on our own. The second required me to download a new flash player and I didn't feel like doing it. The last one quoted members of Nasa wondering aloud if the budget wasn't a slow death for manned space flight.

Whose side is he on?

Every thing I read backed up what I said in the OP

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Orion: a last-ditch effort by a fading empire that will never strike back

When a space startup has twice the force for a fraction of the cost, you know the US government has a problem

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/05/nasa-orion-launch-space-startup

Dead on course. The only deep space the Orion launch pioneered is that between the ears of folks like Mikey who think we are going anywhere in space beyond the moon and maybe Mars.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

America is back in space again with an active program. Its a shame that they have to squeak by on GOP funding but they are still alive. I feel sure that the program was throttled by republican purse strings and that is why we are flying into the future with a spaceship from the pass. But we are still in the race for space.

We got wetbacks and ObamaCare to pay for.

 

[mikey2much]

Are you going to be content with China going where we can't go

Dead on course. The only deep space the Orion launch pioneered is that between the ears of folks like Mikey who think we are going anywhere in space beyond the moon and maybe Mars.

In 1957 we decided as a nation that space was the high ground when it came to future world conflicts. This is no time to become a luddite.

As you know both of the private start ups have suffered setbacks in recent weeks.

We as a nation need this to work. And you're right I do want us to go to mars and someday beyond.

 

[islandman]

America is back in space again with an active program. Its a shame that they have to squeak by on GOP funding but they are still alive. I feel sure that the program was throttled by republican purse strings and that is why we are flying into the future with a spaceship from the pass. But we are still in the race for space.

If you couldn't find something to be proud of in America prior to yesterday's launch, then you are no American.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

MIKEY stole that line from Mooochelle.

 

[Que]

In 1957 we decided as a nation that space was the high ground when it came to future world conflicts. This is no time to become a luddite.

As you know both of the private start ups have suffered setbacks in recent weeks.

We as a nation need this to work. And you're right I do want us to go to mars and someday beyond.

Very nice mikey... ~pats head~

Now jot all that down in a letter and mail it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC. They will know for whom it should be received by, even if you do not.

 

[eyer]

Poor, old, socialist stoner mickey:

Understands the future looks more and more likely to be repugnant of his natural lemming-love for enormous, bureaucratically wasteful, statist government...

...but still has no practical idea of why.

As your "liberal", progressive, socialist comrades frequently opine on this Board:

The world will be a better place when old white men like you are dead.

Whatever you can do to hasten that...

...would be your gift to the future.

Think of the children, mikey.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

In 1957 we decided as a nation that space was the high ground when it came to future world conflicts. This is no time to become a luddite.

As you know both of the private start ups have suffered setbacks in recent weeks.

We as a nation need this to work. And you're right I do want us to go to mars and someday beyond.

The issue has nothing to do with my being a luddite and everything to do with you being ignorant of the harsh realities of the venture you are cheerleading.

Ultimately, the problem of manned space flight isn’t about the money. It certainly isn’t about making an either/or choice between space exploration and food and shelter for the hungry and the homeless.

It is not about abandoning scientific exploration or suffocating the ambitions of adventurous men and women seeking to satiate our psychological predisposition to conquer new physical and intellectual frontiers.

It is not about rejecting the value of associated technological innovations whose proper role in the exercise of space flight has, frankly, been mischaracterized in the first place. The overwhelming number of physical components that made space flight feasible was the result of private companies fulfilling the specifications of government issued contracts with the technology that existed at that time. Manned space flight did not produce technological advances as much as technological advances eventually made manned space flight possible. The subsequent, natural acceleration of various technologies in such a developmental environment has been well exploited, but comparatively few of those innovations were the direct result of having had a prototype or design idea tested in flight.

The problem with manned space flight is man. Our dependency on a narrow range of temperature and atmospheric pressure along with our voracious appetite for almost constant refueling with air, food and water, combine to indict man as more of an impediment to space exploration than a valuable participant.

The vast distances between stars and planets pitted against the total inadequacy of deep space transportation technology should effectively terminate discussion on this subject between persons of even average intelligence until at least such time as we appear to be on the threshold of upending the principles of general and special relativity physics. It is that seminal event, to which the mere repetition of spaceflight contributes nothing, that may allow man to one day venture out into deep space armed with a rational premise rather than a simple lust born of vanity masked as some lesser embarrassing motivation.

If man’s perishability in space might be compared to a ripe banana sitting on a kitchen counter, the problem of how to keep the fruit from turning to a brown, liquefied mush within a week to 10 days is not effectively addressed by piling more and more bananas on shelves placed higher and higher.

When the first transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, it can reasonably be assumed that the thousands of miles of steel rails traversed their fair share of wide rivers and deep canyons. But there is no existing record of anyone suggesting that bridge or trestle technology be extended across the Atlantic or Pacific oceans to Europe or Asia in order to realize the dream of a nineteenth century global economy – a lack of foresight that apparently continues to this day.

The average distance from the Earth to the moon is about 238,000 miles. Apollo missions traveling in excess of 3,000 miles per hour took over three days to get there. When Mars rover Curiosity was launched in November of 2011, Mars and Earth were 127 MILLION miles apart. Curiosity took over eight months cruising at 22,500 mph to complete a total one-way journey of 350 million miles. And Mars is our nearest planetary neighbor. Trips to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune would be many multiples further.

Light from the Sun takes eight minutes to reach Earth, a matter of hours to reach the outer planets and 4 ½ years to reach our nearest stellar neighbor, Proxima Centauri.

At some point in this tale of analogies and relativistic models, it must be understood that the familiar encouragement to “reach for the stars” was itself a form of imagery and that true wisdom, rather than shame or defeat, is reflected in the resolve not to take it literally.

At least not until we are much, much closer to actually demonstrating the capability.

 

[mikey2much]

Damn, that is a real buzzkill

I will probably reveal myself to be somewhat of a dreamer but I do so hope that you are wrong about some of your assertions. When men were first figuring how to sail boats to nearby islands, they faced a similar challenge and now just five thousand years later, their voyages of years are our flights of hours.

I don't think that I will live to see it but I do think that within the next hundred years we will be on the moon and Mars. That excites me and I am very happy that I have lived long enough to see the beginning of our reaching out. We might be stuck within our system for several centuries but we will still be in space, and we would be learning more with every generation.

Everything you said is true and I believe it but I think that there are other truths yet to be discovered that will carry us well beyond where we can go now.

Thank you for a well thought out reply.

 

[toubab]

The issue has nothing to do with my being a luddite and everything to do with you being ignorant of the harsh realities of the venture you are cheerleading.

Ultimately, the problem of manned space flight isn’t about the money. It certainly isn’t about making an either/or choice between space exploration and food and shelter for the hungry and the homeless.

It is not about abandoning scientific exploration or suffocating the ambitions of adventurous men and women seeking to satiate our psychological predisposition to conquer new physical and intellectual frontiers.

It is not about rejecting the value of associated technological innovations whose proper role in the exercise of space flight has, frankly, been mischaracterized in the first place. The overwhelming number of physical components that made space flight feasible was the result of private companies fulfilling the specifications of government issued contracts with the technology that existed at that time. Manned space flight did not produce technological advances as much as technological advances eventually made manned space flight possible. The subsequent, natural acceleration of various technologies in such a developmental environment has been well exploited, but comparatively few of those innovations were the direct result of having had a prototype or design idea tested in flight.

The problem with manned space flight is man. Our dependency on a narrow range of temperature and atmospheric pressure along with our voracious appetite for almost constant refueling with air, food and water, combine to indict man as more of an impediment to space exploration than a valuable participant.

The vast distances between stars and planets pitted against the total inadequacy of deep space transportation technology should effectively terminate discussion on this subject between persons of even average intelligence until at least such time as we appear to be on the threshold of upending the principles of general and special relativity physics. It is that seminal event, to which the mere repetition of spaceflight contributes nothing, that may allow man to one day venture out into deep space armed with a rational premise rather than a simple lust born of vanity masked as some lesser embarrassing motivation.

If man’s perishability in space might be compared to a ripe banana sitting on a kitchen counter, the problem of how to keep the fruit from turning to a brown, liquefied mush within a week to 10 days is not effectively addressed by piling more and more bananas on shelves placed higher and higher.

When the first transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, it can reasonably be assumed that the thousands of miles of steel rails traversed their fair share of wide rivers and deep canyons. But there is no existing record of anyone suggesting that bridge or trestle technology be extended across the Atlantic or Pacific oceans to Europe or Asia in order to realize the dream of a nineteenth century global economy – a lack of foresight that apparently continues to this day.

The average distance from the Earth to the moon is about 238,000 miles. Apollo missions traveling in excess of 3,000 miles per hour took over three days to get there. When Mars rover Curiosity was launched in November of 2011, Mars and Earth were 127 MILLION miles apart. Curiosity took over eight months cruising at 22,500 mph to complete a total one-way journey of 350 million miles. And Mars is our nearest planetary neighbor. Trips to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune would be many multiples further.

Light from the Sun takes eight minutes to reach Earth, a matter of hours to reach the outer planets and 4 ½ years to reach our nearest stellar neighbor, Proxima Centauri.

At some point in this tale of analogies and relativistic models, it must be understood that the familiar encouragement to “reach for the stars” was itself a form of imagery and that true wisdom, rather than shame or defeat, is reflected in the resolve not to take it literally.

At least not until we are much, much closer to actually demonstrating the capability.

Reality is a bitch.

 

[phrodeau]

The more I read from the rightwingers here, the more it seems that there's nothing at all for Americans to be proud of any more. Point to anything in this vast, wonderful country, and they'll have negative comments about it.

 

[eyer]

The more I read from the rightwingers here, the more it seems that there's nothing at all for Americans to be proud of any more. Point to anything in this vast, wonderful country, and they'll have negative comments about it.

You and mikey make such swell butthurt buddies, playdeau.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh yes, I have just been reminded that we should all take great pride in the atomic bomb deployments over Japan.

 

[mikey2much]

Hell, it seems silly even while I am doing it

The more I read from the rightwingers here, the more it seems that there's nothing at all for Americans to be proud of any more. Point to anything in this vast, wonderful country, and they'll have negative comments about it.

But I can drive over a new bridge and feel proud to be an american. I never doubt the greatness of the american people. But you don't hear about the new bridges and public works as much as you should.

When the space race started in 57, a adding machine weighed about twenty pounds and had a large crank on the side that you would pull when adding. Pull several times if you wanted to multiply. The space race replaced war as an accelerant for scientific discovery and has delivered us to where we are today.

Reagan was elected in 1980, the same year that the shuttle first flew. We just played out what was already going and then let it die as far as manned flight goes. This is the start of a reversal on that policy, possibly because other nations are going where we could have gone but didn't.

 

[eyer]

Oh yes, I have just been reminded that we should all take great pride in the atomic bomb deployments over Japan.

Maybe mikey has a spare unicorn you can hug?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I will probably reveal myself to be somewhat of a dreamer but I do so hope that you are wrong about some of your assertions. When men were first figuring how to sail boats to nearby islands, they faced a similar challenge and now just five thousand years later, their voyages of years are our flights of hours.

I don't think that I will live to see it but I do think that within the next hundred years we will be on the moon and Mars. That excites me and I am very happy that I have lived long enough to see the beginning of our reaching out. We might be stuck within our system for several centuries but we will still be in space, and we would be learning more with every generation.

Everything you said is true and I believe it but I think that there are other truths yet to be discovered that will carry us well beyond where we can go now.

Thank you for a well thought out reply.

Don't get me wrong, Mikey. There definitely IS a place for man in space, and it is low earth orbit, and, to a much lesser extent, the moon. Travel to Mars and beyond will likely not be commonplace for centuries if ever.

Meanwhile, when comparing and judging man's destiny to explore, just remember that there are very good reasons why we do not have domed cities dotting the ocean floor and why the first manned, trans-Atlantic hot air balloon crossing came nearly three decades AFTER the dawn of the commercial jet age.

And ancient Egyptians should continue to be admired for constructing the pyramids and not in any way faulted for failing to mount an all-out aeronautics program to preempt the Wright brothers.