It's McCain in a Landslide - Political Prediction

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This is a prediction, you understand. I am sure enough of what I'm saying to be willing to stick my neck out and say it, but not sure enough to bet the mortgage payment on it. It also does not necessarily express my own personal preference but, for a change, I expect to vote FOR one presidential candidate this time around, rather than voting AGAINST his opponent.

The most one-sided elections in the history of America, in terms of popular votes and electoral votes, were George Washington's two victories, when there were no other candidates, and James Monroe's election in 1820, when there was only token opposition. Outside of that, the most lopsided elections, in terms of electoral votes, were Franklin Delano Roosevelt defeating Alf Landon in 1936 by a margin of 523 to 8, and in 1972, when Richard M. Nixon defeated George McGovern by a margin of 520 to 17. The most one-sided in terms of popular vote were in 1964, when Lyndon B. Johnson defeated Barry Goldwater by a margin of 61.1% to 38.5% and FDR over Landon by 60.8% to 36.5%. Third party candidates won small percentages of the popular vote in those last two years and, in 1972, John Hospers won a single electoral vote.

I am not saying that the election will equal any of those landslides. What I am saying is that John McCain's victory in November of this year will be by comparable margins, in terms of popular vote and electoral vote. Barack Obama will probably carry The District of Columbia, and he has a shot at Vermont and Massachusetts. If the Dailey machine in Chicago can get enough dead people registered, and can get them to vote early and often enough, he might also carry his home state of Illinois. That's all.

Of course, I'm not going to make a prediction like that without some reasons. Obama won enough votes in the primary elections and caucuses to narrowly defeat Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and is expected to be nominated by the Democrats at their convention. One of the reasons for his winning was the animosity against the New York senator. People still remember the Whitewater hearings, and consider her to be totally lacking in integrity. She was never indicted or even formally accused, but the voters were aware of her chicanery, which was well established, and they haven't forgotten.

Another reason was race. I hesitate to level any accusations of racism on the part of the voters in the Democratic primaries. People vote for any reason they want, and the race of a candidate can be a reason just as well as his or her charm and charisma. However, it is known that Senator Obama won most of the states in the South, all of which have a fairly large percentage of black voters, almost all of whom are registered as Democrats. According to people who know how to calculate such things, he racked up huge majorities among these black voters, 90% or more. Undoubtedly, he will do at least as well in this year's presidential election, but will he be able to win the hearts and minds of those who voted for Senator Clinton? My prediction is that he will not, at least not in a large enough quantity, and Senator McCain will therefore sweep the South, winning every state. That includes Florida which, although geographically part of the Deep South and a former member of The Confederacy, has a different kind of population than the other southern states, with large numbers of retired senior citizens and Cuban refugees. It is also the largest, in population, of any of the southern states.

Except for Illinois and North Carolina, which is part of the South, Clinton won all the ten largest states during the recently concluded Democratic primary elections. That includes Florida and Michigan, although her victories in those states might be somewhat dubious. To win the general election, a presidential candidate must carry some of these, which brings up the question: Will Obama do so? I am predicting he won't, except maybe Illinois. The Republicans will succeed in using his own words against him, and will portray him as an elitist, somebody who considers himself to be somehow above the ordinary hoi polloi. The kind of attitude he will be alleged to have just will not play in places such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and most of New York and California. Nobody has ever accused John McCain of being an elitist, and I doubt that anybody ever will.

Nobody expects the president to govern by himself; therefore, they will look at his advisors. Who comes to the forefront in the case of Senator Obama? One of the most prominent is Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and we can expect to be treated to more videotapes of his racist diatribes, compliments of the Republican campaigners. Another, not an advisor but a supporter, is the rapper Ludacris. Will voters, especially white voters be able to listen to his foul lyrics and not be turned against the person they are extolling? Most will, of course. They will recognize that the man is just one person, albeit a person highly regarded by the subject of his recording, but many won't see it that way. Other associates of the senator are Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers, two of the notorious Weather radicals from the Sixties and Seventies. Both these unrepentant hoodlums supported Obama in his early political campaigns, and they still do.

To be sure, Senator McCain has some dubious figures in his background. Among them is Reverend John Hagee who is probably as bad as Reverend Wright. Hagee endorsed McCain but the candidate, after learning more about who the man was and is, rejected it. Even if he hadn't, you can hardly compare the relationships of the two preachers with the candidates. McCain never attended a single service of Hagee, and never had much of anything to do with him. Obama, on the other hand, attended the church of Reverend Wright for twenty years, and was married and had his children baptized by the man. He has since repudiated Wright but, after twenty years of close association, it seems a bit late. There are probably other somewhat unwholesome characters who have been associated with McCain, but nobody of the magnitude of those who have been close to his presumptive opponent.

In an earlier paragraph, I said I didn't want to level any accusations of racism, and I still don't. However, I am not some Pollyanna who thinks it doesn't exist, and won't be a factor in deciding who the next president will be. There are people who will do the PC thing and say they are going to vote for Obama but, once they are in the privacy of the voting booth will say something such as: "I'm just not ready yet for a black president, and McCain's not so bad." There probably aren't a lot of such people, but they do exist, and their votes will contribute to the landslide I am predicting.

There are probably also a lot of people who will say something like: "I ain't voting for no N----, and I hear he's a Mooslim too." Of course, there are also those who will vote for "The Brother" but they would have voted for any Democratic candidate. It is a shame that a candidate's race or gender would have any effect in an election, but I am predicting, not extolling.

All in all, Senator Barack Obama is just not the right candidate, even though he may have come along at the right time. There will, sooner or later, be a black president, just as there will, sooner or later, be a woman president and an Hispanic president, but not in this election. First, such a departure from the usual will have to involve somebody more mainstream than Barack Obama - he's considered to be one of the most liberal members of the senate - and I believe it will involve entering through the back door. By that I mean that some day there will be a woman, and some day there will be an Hispanic and some day there will be an African American elected to the vice-presidency, and those persons will succeed to the top office when the president dies. Either that or the president will term out and the female or black or brown vice-president will be elected to replace him. I also believe this will happen during my lifetime, but not this year.
 
Gawd, I hope not. I was so sickened by the results of the 2004 election. I am still quite flabbergasted that so much of our population could be so damned stupid.

And there's my unvarnished impinion.
 
Gawd, I hope not. I was so sickened by the results of the 2004 election. I am still quite flabbergasted that so much of our population could be so damned stupid.

And there's my unvarnished impinion.

Wasn't it Mark Twain who said something about no one ever losing money betting against the intelligence of the average voter? And they don't go away just because we think they're dumb, either.

Fortunately, there are plenty of us from both ends of the silly spectrum who will be looking aghast at elections and humbled back into humanity from our ivory towers.
 
Some interesting points of view. However, the only person I feel that I can support is Justin Imperiale.
 
I think it will be McCain but not by much.

The tons of negative ads between now and election day will convince many that Obama is just one step away from Stalin.

A lot of people won't vote for Obama because of his race. They won't say so out loud but the thought of a nigger, and that's how they think of him, in The White House is something they can't countenance.

And as Stalin put it, "It isn't the votes that count, but the people who count the votes." And, so far as I know, the vote counting apparatus that handed Bush the last elections is still there. Methods will be thought of to exclude Democratic voters, the Diebold machines will ignore some votes and create others, the rules on overseas voting will be screwed with.

So, McCain will win. But not by much.

Crap. :(
 
Are you aware that John McCain doesn't know how to operate a computer?

Think about it.
 
Are you aware that John McCain doesn't know how to operate a computer?

Think about it.

Computer twiddlers can be hired.

If McCain wins, he will have the luck to be in the White House when we withdraw from Iraq and the economy turns around. After all, he's got four years. That will get him re-elected in '12 but there is a fair chance that he will die peacefully in his sleep in office, leaving perhaps Elizabeth Dole as president. Then the face-off will be really interesting because Hillary will have shot her wad, losing the nomination in '08 and the election in '12. Politically, the Clinton years will have come to a close, thank God.

Liz is a bit long in the tooth herself so she is unlikely to stand for re-election in '16 but if she does, she's got it. Next chance for the Dems? '20! And that's a looooooooooong ways away.
 
Gawd, I hope not. I was so sickened by the results of the 2004 election. I am still quite flabbergasted that so much of our population could be so damned stupid.

And there's my unvarnished impinion.

It's no surprise to anyone that I agree with my girlfriend, I'm sure... but let's expound upon how stupid we will all have to be.

Just to address ONE area of the lies...

Elitism:


McCain is the son and grandson of Admirals and was born with the proverbial silver spoon. He barely graduated a prestigious high school and then got into and remained in the Naval Academy due to the influence of his father and grandfather. He graduated 895th out of 899 students in his class.

Throughout his education and early life, McCain had issues with his inability to control his temper and his disdain for procedure and authority.

Obama's parents split up early in his life. Child of a single mother, he then moved to Indonesia with his stepfather after his mom remarried, being exposed to the "third world" in a manner unique among those running for President.

He saw his biological father only once after his parents divorced (they seperated when he was two.) Obama spent his teen years in the care of his maternal grandparents. His Grandfather served on the ground with Patton in WWII and his Grandmother worked in an airplane factory.

He graduated high school with honors. He graduated from Columbia in 1983 and went to work as an organizer in Chicago. He returned to education after an eye-opening trip to his roots in Kenya, including his first visit to his fathers grave. He graduated Harvard magna cum laude in 1991.

So now, which one of these men was given what he got and basically didn't appreciate it and which one came from circumstances more in tune with the majority of America again? Who rode on the coattails of his family and who worked his ass off to succeed despite humble beginnings?

I also stumbled on this... meaningless in many ways, but interesting:
http://www.practicalhacks.com/2008/...g-childhood-photos-mccain-vs-obama-smackdown/
Why are there no pictures of John McCain as a child available?
 
Oh please. We haven't even had the fucking conventions yet or started campaigning yet McCain's already running scared ads and ye of weak minds are swayed. This is just piss and Lestoil.

I'll let you know when Obama cuts the thunder loose and you can hide under the beds.
 
I think it will be McCain but not by much.

The tons of negative ads between now and election day will convince many that Obama is just one step away from Stalin.

A lot of people won't vote for Obama because of his race. They won't say so out loud but the thought of a nigger, and that's how they think of him, in The White House is something they can't countenance.

And as Stalin put it, "It isn't the votes that count, but the people who count the votes." And, so far as I know, the vote counting apparatus that handed Bush the last elections is still there. Methods will be thought of to exclude Democratic voters, the Diebold machines will ignore some votes and create others, the rules on overseas voting will be screwed with.

So, McCain will win. But not by much.

Crap. :(

As always, succint, pertinent and to the point.

As for Box's 'measured' diatribe......I choose to ignore it, there are so many innacuracies and assumptions, it cannot be taken seriously.

From this side of the pond, America NEEDS Obama.....McCain wil just be so much more of the same and the same and the same.
 
Oh please. We haven't even had the fucking conventions yet or started campaigning yet McCain's already running scared ads and ye of weak minds are swayed. This is just piss and Lestoil.

I'll let you know when Obama cuts the thunder loose and you can hide under the beds.

Fuck you, Zoot. There's not a damned thing "weak" about my mind ... or any other part of me. :p
 
Dreams of Polina

Oh why not? Let's have more of the same but on viagra this time.

It boggles the imagination to think of what 4 more years of the Iraqi "insurrection", eradication of rights and the further enrichment of the oil producing nations will do for us....

What the hell.... Why not?

Just for shits and giggles....

-KC
 
As always, succint, pertinent and to the point.

As for Box's 'measured' diatribe......I choose to ignore it, there are so many innacuracies and assumptions, it cannot be taken seriously.

From this side of the pond, America NEEDS Obama.....McCain wil just be so much more of the same and the same and the same.

While I was down in Orange County (the heart of American fascism) a couple weeks ago, I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said "Bush's Third Term: McCain." I could tell if they thought it was a good thing or a bad thing.
 
I am consistantly baffled by the idea that somehow McCain is a clone of Dubya. Sure doesn't look like it to me. Oh, and BTW, that sticker you saw in OC? Being a denizen of the Bordarlands, I know well that it could just as easily been a Democrat pushing the aforementioned idea. There are a lot more of them down there than there used to be.
 
Dreams of Polina

I am consistantly baffled by the idea that somehow McCain is a clone of Dubya. Sure doesn't look like it to me. Oh, and BTW, that sticker you saw in OC? Being a denizen of the Bordarlands, I know well that it could just as easily been a Democrat pushing the aforementioned idea. There are a lot more of them down there than there used to be.

Because he supports Bush's stance in Iraq? On Energy? On the economy? I'm sorry... what does he disagree with Bush about again? Oh yeah! Immigration! but we aren't really talking about that, are we?

And...of course, there is that "Republican Party" connection....

Does that clear it up for you?

-KC
 
Because he supports Bush's stance in Iraq? On Energy? On the economy? I'm sorry... what does he disagree with Bush about again? Oh yeah! Immigration! but we aren't really talking about that, are we?

And...of course, there is that "Republican Party" connection....

Does that clear it up for you?

-KC

Dubya really has a stance on energy? You could have fooled me. And what about the economy? Presidents have no effect on the economy they just get the credit/blame for what goes on in business cycles. You want to blame someone for the economy, try either Greenspan ('cause his successor hasn't been around long enough) or those smart lawyers and allegedly smart hedgefun managers who somehow find a way to finagle around regulations and/or are silly enough to believe that the only thing that counts is the bottom line at the end of the quarter.

As far as Iraq, even the Iraqis are ready for us to leave. Given the national mood you think whoever wins won't jump at the chance? After all, everyone seems to agree on Afghanistan . . .
 
I am consistantly baffled by the idea that somehow McCain is a clone of Dubya. Sure doesn't look like it to me. Oh, and BTW, that sticker you saw in OC? Being a denizen of the Bordarlands, I know well that it could just as easily been a Democrat pushing the aforementioned idea. There are a lot more of them down there than there used to be.

VM, 8 years ago he wasn't a neo-con... 4 years ago he wasn't... hell, a few months ago he wasn't. Not in many ways, although his voting record says he is about 95% Bush. The other 5% did count fr something. He balked at what his party did to John Kerry. He spoke out against torture. He dared to speak of having a campaign built on positives and issues... taking the so-called "Straight Talk Express."

Then he became the presumptive nominee.

He reversed his position on torture, something I find almost unforgivable from someone who was tortured into signing a piece of paper that declared himself an "air pirate."

He voted against legislation he himself drafted.

He hired a man he once despised for what he did to a fellow veteran and made him the head of his "Truth Squad."

He approved clearly false ads in some cases, played "old school rovian", and in others introduced Paris Hilton and Britney Spears as "legitimate" political tools. In doing so, he violated every principal of his "Straight Talk Express" and publicly insulted a family that has always supported him.

John McCain is a traitor to his own long-expressed principals and ethics. How could we possibly expect him to defend OURS?

And don't fall back on the "every politician does it" bullshit. Obama isn't doing it. Even after all thhis shit has come out.

You all want to complain about how unethical politicians are. But then you reward them when they violate their ethics. Show some fucking backbone America.

The latest: McCain's camp is painting Obama as elitist because he is going to Hawaii for a vacation.

Read his bio. Where did he spend much of his youth? Where did he graduate high school?

So now Obama is "elitist" for visiting his fucking hometown on vacation.

Yeah, that's the "Straight Talk Express" in action.
 
First, I don't consider this to be a diatribe, either measured or otherwise. It is a prediction as to who will win the United States of America's presidential election this coming November. I believe it will be McCain, and I believe it will be one-sided.

Bel, I don't know whether or not you are saying I am lying. I'm not. I am making a prediction, and saying that Obama is widely seen as an elitist. You point out that he is not, and then point out how he attended elite Ivy League universities and graduated magna cum laude. If a person wants to be seen as an elitist, that is one way to do it. In addition to that, there are the things he said about voters in PA and/or Ohio.

I agree that it is important to get an accurate vote count, and the Dems may steal this election the way they stole many others. 1960 particularly comes to mind, when the Dailey machine gave IL to Kennedy, which was enough to get him elected. There have been other irregularities in history, but probably none so brazen.

If you mean 2000, I think of that as being the time SCOTUS kept the Dems of the Florida Supreme Court from disenfranchising the citizens of that state. If the FSC had their way, the count would have been delayed until AFTER the Dec. 20 deadline, and Gore would have won a majority of the electoral votes cast, since there would have been none from Florida. Eventually, it was determined that Bush really had won a very slim plurality of the vote in Florida.

Zoot, so what if McC is not a skilled computer operator. I don't really believe he is unable to use one, but he may not be good at it. Whatever his skill level, there will be plenty of advisors abd staff to help him with those thing he needs to do.

I don't know if McC will run for re-election in 2012 or not. He may decide not to, because of failing health and advanced age. Nobody knows, of course, but one person on this forum is already predicting he will, and that he will win.
 
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Tell me to go crap in my hat if you want, but -as a Brit watching from the outside- Obama is the best chance for the U.S. (by a mile).
You (and the rest of the world) really do not want another Republican President, trust me.

Re. Democrats stealing the election:
Surely, you DO know that Dubya rigged the votes so that a lot of Republicans voted twice and that a lot of the people with names the same as those with criminal records and/or living in the same address as those with criminal records (but who did not have records themselves) were barred from voting, don't you?
 
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Please get my position straight. I have yet to decide whether I'm backing Obama or McCain. This is the first election I can remember where I think that I will be able to vote 'for' someone rather than 'against'. I've voted against both Dems and Reps. I'm sure I will in the future. But for now, I still believe that they are both honorable, able men. Either of them would be a better choice than what we've had for the last sixteen years. At least we don't have to deal with Hillary any more . . . for a while.
 
Tell me to go crap in my hat if you want, but -as a Brit watching from the outside- Obama is the best chance for the U.S. (by a mile).
You (and the rest of the world) really do not want another Republican President, trust me.

Re. Democrats stealing the election:
Surely, you DO know that Dubya rigged the votes so that a lot of Republicans voted twice and that a lot of the people with names the same as those with criminal records and/or living in the same address as those with criminal records (but who did not have records themselves) were barred from voting, don't you?

Where do you get those ideas? That sounds like Conspiracy Theory to me. Do you also think there was somebody on the grassy knoll and that 911 was a government plot?

There are dishonest actions in every election. However, the Dems are historically more crooked than the Reps, at least in that regard, with Daley of Chicago being the most crooked of all. :mad:
 
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Bel, I don't know whether or not you are saying I am lying. I'm not. I am making a prediction, and saying that Obama is widely seen as an elitist. You point out that he is not, and then point out how he attended elite Ivy League universities and graduating magna cum laude. If a person wants to be seen as an elitist, that is one way to do it.

WHAT?

Oh, don't dare actually FOLLOW the American Dream and got to the best schools because if you do, you'll be seen as an elitist? Even though you had to earn your way into them the hard way. Even though you worked your ass off while there?

Can you fucking hear yourself, Box? Do you even realize how you are actually falling for the bullshit yourself?

Kinda like how Obama might be a muslim.... right up until we hear that his former pastor (yes, former... even then) has said some stupid shit. Then the dude we thought "might" be a muslim is a danger because he has been a devout follower and idealogical slave to a Christian pastor for twenty years.


And of course the real point...which is lost in the heated discussion and which is hidden deep, pushed into the mud under the tracks of the aforementioned "Straight Talk Express"...

When considering the possible candidates for the top office in the land, isn't it applicable that McCain graduated in the bottom five from HIS prestigious University and Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from his?

(I mean, Annapolis isn't Cyamacua Community College, ya know.)
 
Tell me to go crap in my hat if you want, but -as a Brit watching from the outside- Obama is the best chance for the U.S. (by a mile).
You (and the rest of the world) really do not want another Republican President, trust me.

Re. Democrats stealing the election:
Surely, you DO know that Dubya rigged the votes so that a lot of Republicans voted twice and that a lot of the people with names the same as those with criminal records and/or living in the same address as those with criminal records (but who did not have records themselves) were barred from voting, don't you?

Andy! Shhhh! If the rest of the world wants to avoid the US voting in another Republican (and there's a fair chance we will, anyway) the last thing you want to do is say so. Americans are contrarian. Hasn't that become clear, yet? Tell us what you want and we will go out of our ways to not do that. Sheesh!
 
Andy! Shhhh! If the rest of the world wants to avoid the US voting in another Republican (and there's a fair chance we will, anyway) the last thing you want to do is say so. Americans are contrarian. Hasn't that become clear, yet? Tell us what you want and we will go out of our ways to not do that. Sheesh!

Agreed... It's like telling your teenage daughter she can never see that boy again.
 
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