It starts with Doctors

[EternalFantasies]

Do you believe your doctor is helping to heal you, or to simply treat your symptoms.

 

[ForestFlame]

Do you believe your doctor is helping to heal you, or to simply treat your symptoms.

they never seem that interested in curing you totally, seem to drag treatment out for no apparent reason

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Do you believe your doctor is helping to heal you, or to simply treat your symptoms.

I'd have to say it depends on what your problem is. Doctors are great for sewing people back together again. But for less obvious problems, they tend to feed their patients pills instead of getting to the root of the problem. Pills treat the symptoms but don't cure what ails you.

I have lost a lot of faith in doctors in recent years.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Based on my experiences, 60 years ago few knew their ass from a hole in the ground. Today its about the same. My physician is a delightful girl but her agenda is unneeded tests and expensive meds. My wife's MD does the same.

 

[Tryharder62]

They are trying to make sure they don't get sued. A general practitioner hardly prescribes or treats something if there is a specialist to send you too. The specialists are then way too busy. I saw a specialist the other day for my knee. Saw him less than one minute. That will be $357 dollars please. He sent me to physical therapy who said that it couldn't possibly be what he said it is because that isn't even near were my problems were.

 

[Ramone45]

No, it starts with patients. A huge percentage of health-care issues are lifestyle related. Patients are not willing to do the simplest things to be responsible for their own well being. Americans have given up on fighting obesity and its concomitant health consequences. We will not exercise. We will not eat correctly. Will not go to physical therapy. We demand pharmaceuticals to take care of every issue we face. I will agree that doctors are complicit. They know very little about health care. They are symptom managers, mostly, but they've been conditioned by their patient's to be that way. Why in god's name are we still marketing potent pharmaceuticals to the general public who haven't the slightest clue as to the appropriateness of the drug?

 

[Tryharder62]

Kind of funny story. I went to the doctor a month ago and he told me to call in a month if things weren't better. So it's a month and I called to get an appointment and I can't see him until for another month. Should have just made an appointment right away!!!!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Do you believe your doctor is helping to heal you, or to simply treat your symptoms.

Depends on the case. Colds can't be cured, but symptoms can be treated.

 

[RobDownSouth]

They are trying to make sure they don't get sued. A general practitioner hardly prescribes or treats something if there is a specialist to send you too. The specialists are then way too busy. I saw a specialist the other day for my knee. Saw him less than one minute. That will be $357 dollars please. He sent me to physical therapy who said that it couldn't possibly be what he said it is because that isn't even near were my problems were.

I can see the doctor's side of this. I had about a half dozen moles removed from me over a five year period. Each time, I'd get a bill for a biopsy which always showed negative for cancer. I asked him why he kept asking for biopsies when I had a history of non-cancerous moles. He frankly said because if I DON'T biopsy them and one DID turn out to be cancerous, that'd be medical negligence.

Couldn't fault him for that, never complained again.

No, it starts with patients. A huge percentage of health-care issues are lifestyle related. Patients are not willing to do the simplest things to be responsible for their own well being. Americans have given up on fighting obesity and its concomitant health consequences. We will not exercise. We will not eat correctly. Will not go to physical therapy. We demand pharmaceuticals to take care of every issue we face. I will agree that doctors are complicit. They know very little about health care. They are symptom managers, mostly, but they've been conditioned by their patient's to be that way. Why in god's name are we still marketing potent pharmaceuticals to the general public who haven't the slightest clue as to the appropriateness of the drug?

I see your point, but I think you might be painting with a bit of a broad brush.
For example, I wrecked my shoulder when I wrecked a car in December 2015. Ortho doctor said recovery would be painful and lengthy. Only time could heal the tissue damage. I WAS healing but in damned near constant pain whenever I would lie down to sleep. So at that point, I went to a pain management specialist who did her best to treat the symptoms (pain) while trying to keep me from getting addicted to opioid drugs. Took her nine months to treat the symptoms...but today I'm fully healed and opiate-free.

 

[Sean]

Maybe you should try taking the profit motive out of healthcare.

 

[coachdb18]

they never seem that interested in curing you totally, seem to drag treatment out for no apparent reason

The perfect parasite is one that never kills the host, but takes everything it can short of that. The medical profession will never completely eradicate disease, and there are plenty of researchers who will tag the term cancer to a study of slime molds just to get the next batch of grant money for their favorite pet project.

 

[silver gurl]

I have a new specialist and he is great. One of the few, that will think outside the box. Most doctors are ruled by Big Pharm.

 

[ShavedHed]

If the Doc fixes you .. he gets paid once.
If he gives you some pills .. you pay him until he says you're fixed.
That's a man motivated to keep you coming back.


I think its India where the doctor only gets paid if you're healthy.
He stops by once in awhile, if you're sick, he fixes you. If you're healthy, you pay him. That's a man motivated to keep you healthy.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Fun Fact: The sole cause of cancer has been doctors all along. They do it for profit.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I think its India where the doctor only gets paid if you're healthy.

I once heard that in traditional Chinese medicine, you keep your doctor on retainer and withhold fees if you get sick; his job is to prevent that.

 

[Ramone45]

I can see the doctor's side of this. I had about a half dozen moles removed from me over a five year period. Each time, I'd get a bill for a biopsy which always showed negative for cancer. I asked him why he kept asking for biopsies when I had a history of non-cancerous moles. He frankly said because if I DON'T biopsy them and one DID turn out to be cancerous, that'd be medical negligence.

Couldn't fault him for that, never complained again.



I see your point, but I think you might be painting with a bit of a broad brush.
For example, I wrecked my shoulder when I wrecked a car in December 2015. Ortho doctor said recovery would be painful and lengthy. Only time could heal the tissue damage. I WAS healing but in damned near constant pain whenever I would lie down to sleep. So at that point, I went to a pain management specialist who did her best to treat the symptoms (pain) while trying to keep me from getting addicted to opioid drugs. Took her nine months to treat the symptoms...but today I'm fully healed and opiate-free.

I'm happy you recovered from your injury and that you found such a skilled therapist to get you through the pain. Going back to the first part, I think Dr.s do a lot of things to cover their asses in the event of a malpractice suit. Being accused of malpractice is devastating to a doctor. Some view all patients as potential plaintiffs. I think this approach has a significant impact on the cost of medical care. Ithink their should be malpractice tort reform. What do you think?

 

[water505]

Apparent lots of you people choose shitty doctors. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

My wife has an MD but I treat many of her problems.

He diagnosed emphysema, I diagnosed CUT BACK ON SOME OF YOUR CIGARETTES. She cut her smoking and now the MD says the emphysema is gone.

She has arthritis in her pelvis. The MD had no remedy for it. I prescribed one ALEVE with one TYLENOL, and the pain goes away.

MDs don't know how to do shit anymore.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I'm happy you recovered from your injury and that you found such a skilled therapist to get you through the pain. Going back to the first part, I think Dr.s do a lot of things to cover their asses in the event of a malpractice suit. Being accused of malpractice is devastating to a doctor. Some view all patients as potential plaintiffs. I think this approach has a significant impact on the cost of medical care. Ithink their should be malpractice tort reform. What do you think?

Here in Texas, they capped malpractice awards back in 2003 at 250K + related medical costs. Premiums for doctors went down 46%, malpractice payouts went down 22%, but consumer costs rose.

Malpractice tort reform seems to benefit doctors, but has little to no trickle-down to patients.

Overall, I'm ambivalent on tort reform.

Anecdotally, I do know that my brother's wife's father (not sure of my relation...father-in-law once removed??) is a doctor who vowed to practice medicine until the day he died, but the day he turned 70 his malpractice premiums tripled.

 

[Wrong Element]

My wife has an MD but I treat many of her problems.

He diagnosed emphysema, I diagnosed CUT BACK ON SOME OF YOUR CIGARETTES. She cut her smoking and now the MD says the emphysema is gone.

Emphysema isn't curable. It's "gone" once you're dead.

Sounds like your doctor got his medical degree from the same institution that awarded all of your claimed degrees.

 

[Lorilei]

Maybe you should try taking the profit motive out of healthcare.

Hey, there's a thought!

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Interesting thread.


I have been to a good doctor since 1998. I'm looking for one . . . just one . . . to resolve my complaint. I have a reference - probably the best place ever to find a doctor - but it ain't foolproof.


My son't first pediatrician was in his 80s and was quite common-sense. I had to pick Junior up from day care one day because he had sprouted chicken pox. I called the doctor at the nag's insistence - the kid seemed happy enough and not in discomfort. The doc asked me that and told me, shock of shocks, that he didn't want to see him. Unless he got worse.


But that was a while back . . . .

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The free market will fix this problem.

 

[Tryharder62]

My wife has an MD but I treat many of her problems.

He diagnosed emphysema, I diagnosed CUT BACK ON SOME OF YOUR CIGARETTES. She cut her smoking and now the MD says the emphysema is gone.

She has arthritis in her pelvis. The MD had no remedy for it. I prescribed one ALEVE with one TYLENOL, and the pain goes away.

MDs don't know how to do shit anymore.

So....any advice on my knee?i

 

[Debbie]

Do you believe your doctor is helping to heal you, or to simply treat your symptoms.

I am very lucky my dr is old school and we have an agreement no medication unless I really need it.

He also loves to share old remedies that do work. Like I get a lot of sinus problems and he gave me a recipe for a saline solution to wash out my sinuses and try and avoid antibiotics.

I regularly take garlic, grated ginger, apple cider vinegar, MGO 250+ Manuka Honey and for the most part I'm quite healthy.

I would like to not have to resort medication for chronic insomnia but sometimes I have to give in and take the meds to at least get more than an hours sleep a night.

So for the most part I think my dr and I are on the same page.

I don't think he is trying to heal me but he's my go to guy for advice for health problems, questions and what my options are depending what is wrong with me or bigrednz (hubby)