It looks as though the Patriot defensive shield...

[p_p_man]

around Kuwait isn't working.

Although some Scuds have been destroyed before reaching their targets, many more are getting through. Kuwaitis who believed they were safe from attack are now besieging the offices of EgyptAir trying to get out of the country.

The big worry of course is that if the Patriots are failing Kuwait then they will also fail Israel which is also in the middle of a Patriot defensive shield.

As Israel said last week if Scuds start landing on their country then, unlike the first Gulf War, they will attack Iraq. If they do that Arab nations will find it very difficult, if not impossible, to give assistance to the allies. They won't want to be seen to be fighting a fellow Arab country alongside the Israelis.

Then the worst scenario will be that they will turn around and start attacking the allies. The gateway to a far more widespread and dangerous war.

ppman

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

Got a source, or you just spewing shit?

 

[p_p_man]

Got a source, or you just spewing shit?

SkyNews on TV as it happens. There were sirens going off in Kuwait just three minutes ago. Everyone has to put on their gas masks...

For some reason they don't expect a chemical/biological attack, just gas...

ppman

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

SkyNews on TV as it happens. There were sirens going off in Kuwait just three minutes ago. Everyone has to put on their gas masks...

For some reason they don't expect a chemical/biological attack, just gas...

ppman

Gas is a chemical you twit. Most biological weapons are air dispersed as well.

An air raid alert does not a missle strike make. They tend to have them whenever they suspect a launch. The civil defense network in Kuwait is tied into the military network. When the military goes on alert for a missle launch, the civil defense system does as well.

When you have info on missles hitting Kuwait City, call me. Better yet, drink yourself into a stupor. Its probably more fun anyway.

 

[Spinaroonie]

We should've taken the Israeli improvements to the Patriot when they offered it.

Israeli Arrow Missles > USA Patriot Missles

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

We should've taken the Israeli improvements to the Patriot when they offered it.

Israeli Arrow Missles > USA Patriot Missles

1) How do you know we didn't?

2) This a mod 3. big difference than the missle system used in 91.

 

[p_p_man]

1) How do you know we didn't?

2) This a mod 3. big difference than the missle system used in 91.

Because the Patriots aren't working in Kuwait.

"One of the missiles landed outside Camp Commando in the Kuwaiti desert on Thursday morning.

Another is reported to have landed near an oil refinary outside Kuwait City.

Officials said the missiles caused no damage and were not carrying chemical or biological warheads.

Camp New Jersey - near the border with Iraq - is believed to be one of the targets. The troops were put on full gas alert."

Source:
Sky News

ppman

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

I've heard a lot of casualties were caused by them.

Keep spewing.

Better yet, have another pint.

 

[Bobmi357]

The partiot missile system was never intended to be used as an anti ballistic missile system. Its original, and still intended use, is to provide protection against inbound aircraft. Had the patriot missile system been designed as an anti-ballistic missile system, the US would have deployed it countrywide as a missile shield.

Using the patriot as an anti-ballistic missile system works, but its not very efficient. You'd have better results parking an Aegis Cruiser off Kuwait City.
That the patriot is capable of hitting an inbound missile like the SCUD is pretty amazing when you consider its original purpose and what it was designed for.

The Arrow anti-missile system, developed jointly by IDI and the US is a much more robust anti-ballistic missile designed to handle missiles like the SCUD. However, that unit is still in the prototyping phase. Until its completed all of the testing, US the has no plans of deploying that system. And again, its designed only for medium to short range ballistic missiles. No one has managed to field a successful intercept of an ICBM.

Mind you, there have been ZERO impacts of scud missiles on Kuwait city, and the Kuwaitis themselves have reported shooting down one scud missile using their patriot battery.

 

[Linedrive]

Of course the Scuds being missles that didn't exist...just more confirmation that Hussein wasn't disarming.

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

Of course the Scuds being missles that didn't exist...just more confirmation that Hussein wasn't disarming.

You noticed that too?

I wonder what else he doesn't have.

 

[Linedrive]

I wonder what else he doesn't have.

It doesn't matter, we could find gallons and truckloads of chemical and biological weapons in Baghdad, and there will still be those that say, "The U.S. planted those." At this point, the one's that banked their entire stance on conspiracy theories will not change their mind, just dig deeper to find their next one.

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

It doesn't matter, we could find gallons and truckloads of chemical and biological weapons in Baghdad, and there will still be those that say, "The U.S. planted those." At this point, the one's that banked their entire stance on conspiracy theories will not change their mind, just dig deeper to find their next one.

"Deluded Don from Downunder" springs to mind.

Not the the U.S. does not have the potential to be truely scary to most countries, but I have serious trouble buying into any theories that rely on absence of information rather than factual evidence to provide their basis of proof.

I'm surprised that they haven't pinned the extinction of the dinosaurs on us yet.

We did know that they would eventually become oil, so it had to be us.

 

[p_p_man]

Of course the Scuds being missles that didn't exist...just more confirmation that Hussein wasn't disarming.

That's the only example...

so far...

unless you know something the rest of us don't...

ppman

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

That's the only example...

so far...

unless you know something the rest of us don't...

ppman

Hmm. And when we get to the actual gas and bio weapon stores, I suppose you'll want more proof?

Have a pint. Really. I understand its good for your heart.

 

[Linedrive]

That is one example pp_man. Let me ask you a question. If UK and/or US troops find chemical and/or biological weapons in Baghdad, will you believe it or will you think they were planted...?

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

That is one example pp_man. Let me ask you a question. If UK and/or US troops find chemical and/or biological weapons in Baghdad, will you believe it or will you think they were planted...?

It depends. Will you have the press show up to verify the presence of unidentified individuals in Republican Guard uniforms hanging out near a building clearly marked "WMD" so they can be seen twiddling their mustaches, yelling out "curses, foiled again" when they see the cameras, and then jumping into their T-62 (liberally covered with "I Saddam" bumper stickers and driving furiously off in a cloud of dust?

Edited to add.

And laughing evilly.

 

[p_p_man]

That is one example pp_man. Let me ask you a question. If UK and/or US troops find chemical and/or biological weapons in Baghdad, will you believe it or will you think they were planted...?

Of course I'd believe it...

Once I see it verified by a third party...

I'm not RosevilleCAguy who doesn't even believe the Scuds are hitting Kuwait.

I'm not that intransigent in my views...

ppman

 

[Blindinthedark]

"pinned the extinction of the dinosaurs on us

DAMN! I knew it was americans!

 

[Alyx]

I've been watching the news (Fox and NBC) on and off all day and I've yet to see any report about anything actually hitting KUWAIT CITY. No print media, or online media source that I've found has reported anything of the kind either. And that includes the Sky News website.

Yes, the sirens have been going on and off all day long. Yes, a scud was shot down, IN THE DESERT outside of Kuwait City. And the one that landed near the oil refinary wasn't a scud or an Al Samoud, it was a malfunctioning Tomahawk missile.

~Alyx~

 

[Ms.M]

I heard on CNN they were silkworm missles......just don't ask me what that means or what they are, except they are Chinese made......

 

[Alyx]

Silkworm missiles? Odd, they're anti-ship missiles and, from what I understand, can't be shot from the ground (doesn't have the range). They're a flat trajectory missile that's launched from either a ship or an aircraft.

I've heard that three missiles were launched at Kuwait, but only one has been identified as a Scud. I haven't heard what the other two were. A Patriot missile couldn't take out a Silkworm missile. But all three were shot down by Patriot pack 3 missiles.

Maybe I'll trip over to CNN and see what they're saying.

~Alyx~

 

[Don K Dyck]

"Deluded Don from Downunder" springs to mind.

Not the the U.S. does not have the potential to be truely scary to most countries, but I have serious trouble buying into any theories that rely on absence of information rather than factual evidence to provide their basis of proof.

I'm surprised that they haven't pinned the extinction of the dinosaurs on us yet.

We did know that they would eventually become oil, so it had to be us.

You rang?? The dinosaurs were dominant long before continental America was even a mark on a European map . . .

The 1994 Reigle Report into the Export Administration Act included a confession from the CIA that the CIA had supplied Iraq with anthrax, botulism and delivery systems, plus "everything else they needed". If chemical and biological weapons are found, then it is because they were initially supplied by the U$ through the CIA.

What a historic irony . . . the U$ military on the receiving end of their own weapons . . . the mind boggles . . . perhaps a karmic pay-back for the bombing of neutral Laos and Cambodia by that other "great" Republican Redneck President, Tricky Dicky Nixon, the President bought by IT&T for a paltry million dollars . . .

 

[p_p_man]

I've been watching the news (Fox and NBC) on and off all day and I've yet to see any report about anything actually hitting KUWAIT CITY. No print media, or online media source that I've found has reported anything of the kind either. And that includes the Sky News website.

Yes, the sirens have been going on and off all day long. Yes, a scud was shot down, IN THE DESERT outside of Kuwait City. And the one that landed near the oil refinary wasn't a scud or an Al Samoud, it was a malfunctioning Tomahawk missile.

~Alyx~

I haven't either but a news item just came up saying explosions were heard just after 10 am gmt. More news in a minute...

ppman

 

[miles]

ppman is about to wet his pants over the prospect of the war expanding beyond Iraq.

Anything to make the US and Israel look bad.