It hurts. And not the good kind of hurt.

Chicklet

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I've been wandering between "how to" and this forum trying to decide where to post. But I feel like I belong in this forum more than in the others, so this is where I'm planting this little story and my redundant question. It's redundant because I already know the answer, and the how to of it, and the what to do of it... but I can't seem to get past the hurdle that lets it all flow.

My PYL was sleeping with me for nine months before he let me refer to him as my boyfriend. I was already head over heels in love with him, and I truly wanted some sort of emotional response in turn. I wanted to feel wanted, do you know what I mean? Like that song... I want you to want me. He told me that he'd never feel that way about me, so I went to some personals sites and papers, seeking new mates. (cough, yes collarme, cough) - nobody made me flutter like he did.

I went on some of the least satisfying dates imaginable. Every guy just made me think about him, and I even usually ended up babbling at the poor guy I was out with ABOUT my PYL off in another place with my heart in his hand.

After a couple months of that, I went to my PYL and told him that no matter how many guys I went out with, he was still all I could think about. I told him I would either continue this search, or focus on him. He said he'd be my boyfriend, my master, my only guy of the moment, and that I should stop my search.

Begin the best two months of my life! Phone calls every night! Seeing him at least twice a month! Chats during the day, text messages, feeling desired, wanted, appreciated. Heart fluttering nonstop thinking about him. And then, we had a small argument, small in my opinion. Probably the only argument we'd ever had. And he told me he didn't know if he ever wanted to see me again.

Of course I went into grovelling mode. Begging him not to break it off with me. Telling him I loved him, I want to see him, I'll be better, I won't argue with him, etc etc. And so he put me on "probation" = \ I didn't know wtf he meant at the time, but I realize now that he gave me a demotion. I went back to fuck-buddy.

The last couple months I didn't really realize anything had changed. I treated him the same, but he stopped calling. Half of the time he didn't answer my calls. He sits there on msn and doesn't respond to me. Finally he had to spell it out for me: He doesn't want to make me feel wanted anymore, because the last time he did, "it went sour."

Two things weigh heavy in my mind. ONE: I love this guy. He still makes my stomach flipflop. He makes me want to give him EVERYTHING. Spending an hour with him is like heaven... just listening to his voice makes me smile. I can seriously be in the worst, most down, depressed mood... or stressed, or angry, or ANYTHING, and hearing his voice makes me even out. It's euphoric. TWO: it's EXREMELY important to me to feel wanted. I don't want to be the grovelling female greatful for an ounce of attention.

I want to be the submissive, but I'm fully aware of the difference between D/s and emotional abuse.

But just because I recognize it as emotional abuse doesn't mean I can bring myself to break it off.

This last weekend, I went up to see him. He's been cold to me for weeks, but I knew I'd get there and he'd be so, so wonderful. And he was. He draws me up into his arms and makes me flitter. He strokes my hair and makes me feel like the most important creature in the universe. He talks to me. He wanted to know all these things we've never talked about, like what's important in my life. We laughed, we went to movies, we had incredible sex, and it was so, so wonderful.

I hadn't even been home twelve hours before he started ignoring me again. It's so obviously "out of sight out of mind."

The question is: what should I do?

The answer is: Forget about him. Move on. Don't see him any more. Try not to think about him, or if you do think about him, just don't act on it. Be strong. Make the first move. Don't let yourself be used.

See? I know the answer. But I can't break the habit.

I have a friend who smokes. She doesn't *like* smoking. She knows it's not healthy. She tries to quit... but she always ends up with a cigarette back in her mouth.

I'm weak. I know it. I keep thinking "what can I do?" and asking my friends "what should I do?" but really I'm thinking "how can I change his mind?"

I wanted to share. I guess I want some reassurances from people who've maybe gone through this themselves. Or people who understand my weakness. Or maybe I just need a hug.
 
Simple fact: You can't change anyone.

Another simple fact: You deserve so much better than this.

And last simple fact: This whole thing is harder than hell...
 
Chicklet I am so sorry to read this.
ADR is right you do deserve better.
I don't know the book catalina mentions, but with her professional experience I am betting it is exactly the right book for you at this moment.

The way your post read to me was that he is manipulating you in a very underhand way.
Not basic emotional abuse which can be very simple, but by using a whole range of techniques to make you feel you can't be without him.
Giving you just enough attention so you will end up at a point when even negative attention is better than none at all.

You have said you know your own answer, knowing it, and making a decison about it, are miles apart.
You are at least half way there though.
Whether you leave or stay is only something you can decide.
Whichever you choose it is a hard decision to make and follow through with.

Mentally we are all holding your hand through this.
 
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Being in love with someone who doesn't share the feeling is a hard thing to go through. Been there, done that.

But like Rose said, you shouldn't change anyone to suit your wishes in life (but I'm not implying that you are doing that). Personally, I don't think that his attitude towards you and the relationship is abusive. It just sounds to me that he's not really interested in anything other than random intimate encounters. I don't think that so much makes him a bad guy, I mean he seems to be spelling out his wants and desires quite well, it's just that they conflict with what you want. That's far different from manipulation, in my opinion.

Moving on is the best thing to do.
 
I was going to flame him. I deleted the paragraph again.
I agree with ADR.

And *hugs* to you, because it's the only thing I can do.
 
Chicklet said:
... I'm weak. I know it. I keep thinking "what can I do?" and asking my friends "what should I do?" but really I'm thinking "how can I change his mind?"...

I keep going back to this part of your post. I've gone through the same thing. It took me some time (a lot of time) to realize that I couldn't change his mind or change him. You can't make someone love you, no matter how loveable you are (and I'm sure you are very loveable, Chicklet.)

You'll finally get to the point where you take him out of your phone, block his email, delete and block him from your messengers and put him on ignore. That doesn't solve everything but they are major first steps in moving away from him and along with your life.

At least it's been that for me.
 
I'm afraid you would be better off just breaking it off. If you let him go and then meet other people, go out, flirt, etc. you will end up in a much better relationship with someone who appreciates and loves you for who you are, and doesn't manipulate you like this man is doing.

Go out with friends for a girl's night out every week or two. Go out to a club and dance with strangers. Take up a new hobby which occupies your free time. It will be tough, but you'll find yourself thinking about him less and less and you'll feel more gratified. And, in the long run, you'll find a new man to love, a man who will make you much happier than this one.

Good luck. :)
 
Chicklet, not dating at all and getting over him could be better than trying to find a 'replacement'. How can you be honest with yourself and the new guy if you are still pining the old one? And lonely blues is not a good basis for a relationship.
 
Find something else to do.

Eventually you may even be able to view him as he views you and both enjoy yourselves, but you have to find something better to do. Keep dating, eventually not everyone will be so damn dull in comparison.
 
Chicklet, I've been there recently. I understand, and it is hell. The posters here have given the best advice.

It is the most difficult situation, because if although you want things to work, they just won't. And you know this already. ... and that makes it worse too...

Thank you for the book suggestion Catilina, I think I could use to read it myself...

But know Chicklet that you DO deserve better, REQUIRE better...

Part of the problem is exactly that your PYL doesn't see that he is, unwittingly, drawing you closer with each of his soft words, a hand in your hair, questions of concern... and every time you expose yourself to him, and drink in his affections, it becomes that much harder for you to tear yourself away.. because you do care, and want to believe that each of his actions say that he cares in return...

But this only cirlces your emotions. You must stop. Be kind to yourself, be strong, or else it can tear you up... this takes a lot. I understand. *hugs* Its so much easier to be on the giving side of this advice than on the taking side. I *know* ....

I wish you all the best. Take care.
 
I am so, so sorry Chicklet.

I understand a little of how you feel; I don't think I've experienced the same sort of manipulation, but I've been dismissed as unwanted before, and not all that long ago, and it was (and still is) one of the most painful things I've ever had happen to me.

I went through weeks of "how can I change his mind" and "maybe he'll think about it and realize it's not right" arguments with myself. Currently I'm in the "if I can just get through these years until he's back again maybe he'll not have forgotten about me" phase.

I wish I could tell you what to do, but I can't. I am so sorry. *big hugs*
 
Hi Chicklet.

As you said, you know what needs to be done - it's just the doing...

What worked for me, when I was in a similar situation - babysteps. If you feel you need to call him, wait five minutes. And then, if you can, 10 minutes. Keep extending a little, until the worst is past. And then - repeat the process as necessary.

What your head knows, and your heart feels, are two separate things. Trying to balance the two is serious work.

Wishing you peace.
 
Rebellious_Sub said:
Part of the problem is exactly that your PYL doesn't see that he is, unwittingly, drawing you closer with each of his soft words, a hand in your hair, questions of concern... and every time you expose yourself to him, and drink in his affections, it becomes that much harder for you to tear yourself away.. because you do care, and want to believe that each of his actions say that he cares in return...

this is exactly right.

all his actions, everything he says, the way he treats me, everything he does when i see him in person, all seem to point to him caring about me. he treats me like no one has or does. but that doesn't mean it's anything special to him. it's just the way he treats girls. especially the ones he's fucking. sigh.

As for the book, Catelina, I bought it the first time around, when I was dating other people. Maybe I should finally read it, though...
 
Chicklet said:
this is exactly right.

all his actions, everything he says, the way he treats me, everything he does when i see him in person, all seem to point to him caring about me. he treats me like no one has or does. but that doesn't mean it's anything special to him. it's just the way he treats girls. especially the ones he's fucking. sigh.

As for the book, Catelina, I bought it the first time around, when I was dating other people. Maybe I should finally read it, though...

*hugs*

There really isn't anything I can say that would make anything easier. Just live life the best you can, that's all any of us can really do.

:kiss:
 
Chicklet...

This guy is feeding off of your emotions. He loves that you adore him and he really doesn't want you to stop. BUT he has absolutley no feelings for you except as a sourse of "supply". I'll bet that in the back of your mind you know that he doesn't care for you...not the way that he should at any rate and certainly not the way that you want him to. But being the good submissive that you are and probably a bit of an emotional masochist you're going to put up with it and lose your self respect in the process.

Ok so maybe that's not a big deal...but then again maybe it is.

What to do? 1st, go to www.Suite 101 and read on Narcissistic men and their women. 2ndly, if you really and truly want this guy...do not contact him and do not tell him of your feelings for him ever again. 3rd. begin playing major head games with him. Sure, sure you might think this is dirty and underhanded, but no more than what he is doing to you.
4th offer him something that no other woman has yet given him. Sorry Hon, your heart and soul isn't good enough.
Eventually tho' chicklet you'll become emotionally drained and physically worn out from the stress of all of this BS.
 
((((Chicklet))))

I don't think you're weak. It's pretty brave to spell it out for yourself what you need to do and even braver to come out and ask for help and hugs and stuff.
 
just an update. he broke up with me officially today. said he doesn't want to get any phone calls, any emails, any messages, any text messages. the he put me on block on messenger and took me off of his myspace list. and the pain just gets worse.
 
You have been bitten by a rattle snake and he has withdrawn. Now you need to draw out the poison and bind the wound so it might heal up and not get infected and fester on you.

Being kicked to the curb hurts, so I hope you can grieve for the lost of this relationship and learn the lesson from it thus coming out stronger at the end. I haven't a clue what you should learn only you can discern that. I am sorry my emotional empathy is not better.
 
It is an excellent book and I think every woman should read it. It should be a prerequisite for dating. lol

catalina_francisco said:
Maybe buy that book 'He's Just Not That Into You' . I think by the time you read it, perhaps it might begin to help resist the temptaiton to go back for more. Sorry you are going through this.

Catalina :rose:
 
Chicklet said:
just an update. he broke up with me officially today. said he doesn't want to get any phone calls, any emails, any messages, any text messages. the he put me on block on messenger and took me off of his myspace list. and the pain just gets worse.

The -worst- thing you can do at this point, in terms of feelings, is show them again.

Sounds to me like someone is playing head games.

Just drop off with all contact to him entirely, and he will be sitting in the hole he dug, pissed at himself for such a loss.
 
sigh... I am truly sorry for your pain Hon. Someone always gets hurt in these things...I'm sorry that it had to be you.
 
Chicklet,

I think you are a wonderful person and you deserve much, much better.

I'm so sorry you are hurting this way.

*HUGS*

Fury :rose:
 
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