"It appears, author, you’ve never been in an incestuous relationship yourself…"

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

"It appears, author, you’ve never been in an incestuous relationship yourself…"

The title refers to a comment I recently received. Now, setting aside the merits of said comment, I was wondering if authors writing for the category (at least those represented here) do have firsthand experiences. I’m guessing not… I don’t think it’s a reach to assume people who’ve been in such relationships may struggle, severely, to write fondly and erotically about their experiences. On the other hand, it might be cathartic for some.

Yes, maybe I’m closed minded, but I think the bad surely outweighs the good when it comes to REAL incest. We kind of cherry-pick the 'pretty bits' and leave the very-very ugly ones out of the stories.

I’ve never been in such a relationship, but I did read up a little to try and give a tiny sense of realism to a story (though I aim for my stories to always be fundamentally silly).

Have you been in or spoken to someone who was involved in such a relationship that then imprinted on your stories? Do you ever try to add a bit of 'realism' to your I/T stories by relying on non-fiction regarding the subject?

 

[rescatooor]

I occasionally have sex. Does that count?

 

[water_moutina]

The title refers to a comment I recently received. Now, setting aside the merits of said comment, I was wondering if authors writing for the category (at least those represented here) do have firsthand experiences. I’m guessing not… I don’t think it’s a reach to assume people who’ve been in such relationships may struggle, severely, to write fondly and erotically about their experiences. On the other hand, it might be cathartic for some.

Yes, maybe I’m closed minded, but I think the bad surely outweighs the good when it comes to REAL incest. We kind of cherry-pick the 'pretty bits' and leave the very-very ugly ones out of the stories.

I’ve never been in such a relationship, but I did read up a little to try and give a tiny sense of realism to a story (though I aim for my stories to always be fundamentally silly).

Have you been in or spoken to someone who was involved in such a relationship that then imprinted on your stories? Do you ever try to add a bit of 'realism' to your I/T stories by relying on non-fiction regarding the subject?

I haven't written much, but one my stories has a hard line of transition where things move from real experiences to fantasy. And if I write more, I will do the same. It's not exactly cherry-picking the pretty bits you mentioned, but similar

 

[water_moutina]

I occasionally have sex. Does that count?

This reminded me of the lonely island song lol

 

[rescatooor]

I think the issue with incest stories specifically is that we are not exactly allowed to get into certain realities of those relationships. Like the power imbalances, or the fact that those relationships might not be adequately consentual.

Especially when writing erotica people love a fair bit of fantasy.

 

[TxRad]

I occasionally have sex. Does that count?

Only if your hands are related to each other.

 

[water_moutina]

Only if your hands are related to each other.

Palmela and Handerson are siblings fs

 

[JGittes]

I've published one mother-son incest story here. It was based on a combination of two factors, one general and one specific.

The general. Our family was casual about nudity until I hit puberty, at which time it naturally stopped. My mother was a nurse and verbally open and matter-of-fact about all things medical, including sex. This was unusual among my peers during the 1960s, and I knew enough to not casually talk about it. While the popular image of the 60s was one of sexual abandon, I didn't see it.

The specific incident was my late adolescent viewing of a single, brief occurence of her accidentally revealed nudity, while she was in a towel. It was completely accidental, but consistent with the way of our earlier family patterns as I described above. Nothing came of it nor did it happen again, but something lodged in my mind, first times and all that.

My libido spent the next couple of decades trying to negioate my real world interactions with sex and sexuality and I didn't think of it. There came a time though, when my then partner and I realized that a rich, inner fantasy life is worth developing, and this past memory nugget percolated into my fantasy world as a 'what if it weren't accidental' possibility. Pure fantasy without any real world baggage. Another 20 years of percolation, and after I published my first series here, I decided to write the incest one out. I kept it as close as I could imagine to what might happen under the circumstances. It is essentially two adults (barely adult in the son's case) overcome by lust and giving in. I ended the story before any of the more serious and long lasting detrimental effects would occur.

I've known five people, four women and one man, who were victims of incestuous relationships at an earlier age than I described above. I believe them and nothing good came of any of it. They all overcame their difficulties and had less problematic outcomes than RubenR described, but really, nothing good came of it at all.

 

[TxRad]

Years ago, I was working a job in a small town in a state I won't name. I needed an electrician so I got a hold of a local phone book. It didn't take me long to realize that there were only two last names in the book for about 3000 people. One of those last names was also the name of the town.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

I got the electrician from somewhere else.

 

[MrPixel]

I don't cruise the I/T section, and, actually, find the little I have read repulsive having seen the reality up close. But to each their own.

I am quite close to three women who have been in incestuous relationships, two forced, one loving. Two had bad long-term outcomes and while somewhat successful in their careers, they are broken people when it comes to relationships. The one who managed to have a normal, successful life had lots (and lots!) of counseling to get there, and both marriages were and are to "daddy" types anyway, 20 years her senior.

The "loving" relationship was one of the emotional failures. She was a semi-girlfriend of mine for a while (still sort of is) and has never admitted to the affair nor will acknowledge that she had a daughter by her father when she was 19. She gave up the child at birth; she has never married and never will. Her mother has spent her entire life since then seeking revenge on my friend and her late father. A genuine tragedy and cautionary tale.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've never had an incestuous relationship.
I'm also not a lesbian, but have written in that category.
People who write in the non con section have not raped anyone and my best guess is no one in the non human section has had sex with a werewolf.

This is erotic fiction, fantasy, and just as readers come here to read things they fantasize about but have never, or should never, do, we do the same thing, except we're telling the story.

But...how well can you tell a story? If you're a good writer you can capture whatever you want to and make people believe it. A comment like the one Scrappy mentions is a troll being sarcastic, or one of those endless smoke blowers in the I/T section pretending they've slept with their entire family.

On the other hand, and no insult intended toward anyone, sometimes fake it til you make it still rings as faking it, sometimes we miss the mark and any regular reader in any category can tell if someone is just not in tune with said kink and it will affect what they think of the story.

 

[SimonDoom]

I write a lot of incest stories, mostly mom-son incest, and I have had no incestuous experiences or real-life fantasies. It's not something I've ever had any interest in trying.

For me it's a fun category to write and read because of the taboo aspect of it. I don't pretend that my stories bear any resemblance to reality. I see no reason why they should.

L

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

I've never had an incestuous relationship.
I'm also not a lesbian, but have written in that category.
People who write in the non con section have not raped anyone and my best guess is no one in the non human section has had sex with a werewolf.

This is erotic fiction, fantasy, and just as readers come here to read things they fantasize about but have never, or should never, do, we do the same thing, except we're telling the story.

But...how well can you tell a story? If you're a good writer you can capture whatever you want to and make people believe it. A comment like the one Scrappy mentions is a troll being sarcastic, or one of those endless smoke blowers in the I/T section pretending they've slept with their entire family.

On the other hand, and no insult intended toward anyone, sometimes fake it til you make it still rings as faking it, sometimes we miss the mark and any regular reader in any category can tell if someone is just not in tune with said kink and it will affect what they think of the story.

I think it's a 50/50 relationship when it comes to erotica. The reader has to be willing to meet the author halfway when it comes to suspension of disbelief, and maybe more in a category like incest where authenticity could make something less erotic than it could be.

One of my characters says something like, "I read a book about people like us and they say we'll end up confusing love with sex, but I already can't tell the difference."

Now, readers will probably think that's romantic in the context of a story on Lit, but take it out of that context and it's pretty sad. But that's nothing compared to the next chapter I'm releasing where a mother wrestles with the reality of having gotten pregnant at 15 (as most I/T mothers seem to do).

Still, I think you can include those sort of 'reality checks' in bite-size chunks throughout a much larger story. It might kill the buzz for some readers and enhance the story for others.

P.S. The commenter in question is one of said smoke blowers (who has been through my whole catalogue in the last five days, getting progressively angrier at me but still keeps reading).

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

I write a lot of incest stories, mostly mom-son incest, and I have had no incestuous experiences or real-life fantasies. It's not something I've ever had any interest in trying.

For me it's a fun category to write and read because of the taboo aspect of it. I don't pretend that my stories bear any resemblance to reality. I see no reason why they should.

L

For me, writing I/T gives a lot of freedom… Because it’s a trump category, I can jam a lot of different stuff in there without worrying too much about categorisation, etc.

There’s definitely a minority that want pure incest and pure incest only, but I think the majority are open to a little bit of everything if it’s reasonably well executed with at least a sprinkle of taboo. The former are, however, quite committed to 'realism'.

 

[windar]

I think the issue with incest stories specifically is that we are not exactly allowed to get into certain realities of those relationships. Like the power imbalances, or the fact that those relationships might not be adequately consentual.

Especially when writing erotica people love a fair bit of fantasy.

If I had done even a tiny fraction of the things the characters in some of my stories do, I'd be serving a life sentence in the State Penitentiary.

This question arises only for erotica, I think. I don't believe Agatha Christie was ever asked if she had ever killed anyone on a train or on a Nile river cruise.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

If I had done even a tiny fraction of the things the characters in some of my stories do, I'd be serving a life sentence in the State Penitentiary.

This question arises only for erotica, I think. I don't believe Agatha Christie was ever asked if she had ever killed anyone on a train or on a Nile river cruise.

Ian Fleming was a master at faking expertise. The list of mistakes in the Bond novels is epic, but he wrote with so much confidence that the vast majority of readers never questioned it.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think it's a 50/50 relationship when it comes to erotica. The reader has to be willing to meet the author halfway when it comes to suspension of disbelief

This is the issue in question. Everything we write here is fantasy, but its always amazed me-and trust me I do this too-that we're easily willing to accept the basic premise of a taboo story, which is the biggest stretch, but then within that general acceptance there's all these little factions of this is realistic to me, this isn't.

I get a complaint from time to time my 'mothers' talk dirty, and they shouldn't...not very motherly is the tone of the complaint.

So, let me get this straight...Mom can suck her son's cock, but can't comment how much she loves sucking cock?

There are some easy going readers willing to embrace everything within the kink, but many have their preferences and tastes, within that section most can still enjoy a story, but there are those who just can't get over their own bias, and most of those are ticky tack to say the least.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ian Fleming was a master at faking expertise. The list of mistakes in the Bond novels is epic, but he wrote with so much confidence that the vast majority of readers never questioned it.

On this topic, and my last post about how we all have our own personal 'reality' beliefs....

I hate James Bond...I was 12 and realized how ridiculously phony he is. I recall writing a scene-wasn't a story-where someone simply walks up behind him and shoots him in the head mafia style...its really that easy

So in Austin Powers when he's yelling "Just shoot him in the head!" I was like...Yes!

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

On this topic, and my last post about how we all have our own personal 'reality' beliefs....

I hate James Bond...I was 12 and realized how ridiculously phony he is. I recall writing a scene-wasn't a story-where someone simply walks up behind him and shoots him in the head mafia style...its really that easy

So in Austin Powers when he's yelling "Just shoot him in the head!" I was like...Yes!

What I love about the novels is just how campy James Bond really is. He’s certainly not the macho-man lots of guys idolise and at times (most of the time) he comes across as fairly pathetic and self-pitying.

 

[lovecraft68]

What I love about the novels is just how campy James Bond really is. He’s certainly not the macho-man lots of guys idolise and at times (most of the time) he comes across as fairly pathetic and self-pitying.

He's the smooth pretty boy where as a lot of today's action heroes are along the lines of bad boys. Christ, that Fast and the Furious garbage has more testosterone to even get incels hard.

I think the reason Daniel Craig made the most tolerable Bond in my eyes, is just that he isn't perfect looking and did add an edge the other pretty boys were missing. But he's still that smug invulnerable asshat character in the end as he's meant to be.

I have a femme fatale type character in my horror series who is former black ops. Some day I'll get bored and write about her meeting-and eliminating-Mr. double O zero.

I've already had "Tristan Black" in a book get annihilated by a witch so why not (I think its obvious who Tristan Black is supposed to be)

 

[Djmac1031]

I just had a commenter on my first incest story tell me I needed to provide more "evidence and support " for why my male lead was initially reluctant to get into a sexual situation with his sister, and all I could think is: shouldn't that be the DEFAULT POSITION???

 

[SimonDoom]

I think it's a 50/50 relationship when it comes to erotica. The reader has to be willing to meet the author halfway when it comes to suspension of disbelief, and maybe more in a category like incest where authenticity could make something less erotic than it could be.

My philosophy about the suspension of disbelief is that as an author you can make almost anything work -- once. Readers will accept one piece of magic, no matter how ridiculous, if it's delivered with at least some minimal amount of skill, and if the story stays true to it.

For instance, the original The Matrix. It's an absurd premise, but the movie does a pretty good job staying consistent with the premise once it sets it up. But the sequel movies keep piling on the magic, adding new wrinkles, and I found myself losing interest because it seemed too ridiculous. My reaction was, "The Wachowskis (the makers of the movie) are jerking me around." I don't like feeling like I'm being jerked around as a reader or as a moviegoer.

Incest readers are willing to accept a fairly high level of fantasy. As an author you have wide latitude to set up an implausible (by real world standards) premise for getting the characters together, but you have to do some work to stay consistent with the original premise and to sell the story after that.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I write quite a bit of I/T more incest than taboo. More mom/son but I have delved into brother/sister that also included mom.

I have never had an incestuous relationship. I also know what can happen within an incestuous relationship and it isn't all that pretty. And as this is an erotic sight, I know the readers are looking for stimulating words on the page, not horror.

The way I see it, it's two consenting adults, as everyone at Lit has to be over 18, having sex with each other because they love each other. So, I write about two or three people having sex who just happen to call each other brother, sister, or mother.

It would be the same with some of the LW stories where the wife has her husband and another male with her in bed.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

I doubt thomas harris [silence of the lambs] ate anyone’s liver with a nice chianti, either. still wrote an awesome story though, huh?

 

[lovecraft68]

I just had a commenter on my first incest story tell me I needed to provide more "evidence and support " for why my male lead was initially reluctant to get into a sexual situation with his sister, and all I could think is: shouldn't that be the DEFAULT POSITION???

Funny you bring that up, I get a slew of comments that the sons in my stories are "wimps" because even when the mother is inviting the sex, he hesitates and says maybe we shouldn't...

As you said, that is realism, this is crossing a major line and you don't come back from it the same. In the case of mother son, this is your mother, a woman you were raised to respect and not see as a woman, and now you are.

Also in the mom sense, this is a much older sexually experienced woman, she's not the coeds the son has been with before.

This is yet more cold male insecurity from incels, this concept a 19 year old son is going to take command and "put it to" his mother...or even a milf/cougar.

It really must suck to have that level of insecurity and self loathing that you can't enjoy a story without yammering about perceived manhood.