Is your kid on Prozac?

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What has troubled me is why the rash of multiple shootings in schools is such a recent a phenomenon. It is something we have only experienced for the last five or six years. The depressed and confused kids have always been there. The guns have always been there.

The question is, what has changed?

How closely does the rise in schoolyard gunplay parallel the growing prescription of anti-depression drugs such as Paxil and Prozac?


Anthony Browne, Health Editor
Sunday March 12, 2000
The Observer

Prozac, the world's best-selling anti-depressant, is being blamed for turning healthy, placid people violent. It is thought to have led to crimes that include murder.

Clinical research to be published soon will show that up to one in 10 adults who take Prozac can become belligerent and pose a risk to others and themselves.

The study is the strongest vindication yet of mental health campaigners, who claim dozens of people have been wrongly imprisoned because of the effects Prozac has had on their behaviour.In the US, school shootings have been linked to number of children given Prozac and other anti-depressants.


In the first clinical trial of its kind, Dr David Healy, director of the North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine at the University of Wales, gave Prozac to a volunteer group of mentally healthy adults and found even their behaviour was affected. He said: 'We can make healthy volunteers belligerent, fearful, suicidal, and even pose a risk to others.'

Healy says between one in 20 and one in 10 people who take Prozac can be affected by akathisia, whereby they become mentally restless or manic and lose all inhibitions about their actions 'People don't care about the consequences as you'd normally expect. They're not bothered about contemplating something they would usually be scared of,'he said.

The study is a potentially devastating blow for the US drug company Eli Lilly, which has made millions from Prozac. In a statement last night the company said: 'Since its discovery in 1972, Prozac has become one of the world's most studied drugs. An extensive review of scientific evidence has demonstrated no causal link between Prozac and aggressive behaviour.' Previous studies linking Prozac to violence have been discredited because aggressive behaviour could be caused by patients' personality disorders, not the drug. Healy's study is the first to show Prozac can affect even healthy individuals.


Pam Armstrong, co-founder of the Counselling and Involuntary Tranquilliser Addiction helpline, said: 'I have come across a huge number of cases, from bizarre behaviour to aggression.'

Stephen Bryson, a surgical nurse, was prescribed Prozac after a close friend died, and his associates were alarmed by his increasingly bizarre behaviour. 'I was swearing, touching friends up in private parts and would pick arguments for the sake of it and threaten their lives. I ran around town stark naked and ran up debts of £10,000. I became quite violent,' said Bryson. 'I had no awareness of ... right from wrong. I was high as a kite.'


Bryson eventually attacked his partner with a knife.
'He was saved by the bell. If the phone hadn't rung, I would have killed him.' Bryson was given a 12-month jail sentence. Three months after ditching Prozac, he was 'back to my old self'.


Ramzia Kabbani, who set up the Prozac Survivors Support Group a year ago, said: 'People are going to prison for what amounts to medical negligence. If they're throwing the book at vulnerable individuals, they should be throwing the book at the doctors who prescribe the medicine as well.'


In the US, the widespread use of anti-depressants and easy availability of guns is thought to be responsible for mass killings. Eric Harris, 18, from Columbine High School in Colorado, who last year shot 12 fellow students and a teacher, had been taking Luvox, similar to Prozac. In 1998 Kip Kinkel, 14, killed his parents before going on a shooting spree at his high school in Springfield, Oregon, killing two and injuring 22. He took Prozac.



Last month a US judge in Connecticut acquitted a bank robber who blamed his behaviour on Prozac. In what is thought to be the first ruling of its kind, Superior Court Judge Richard Arnold freed Christopher DeAngelo, a 28-year-old insurance agent, because the defendant was unable to appreciate his actions were wrong. Defence lawyer John Williams said: 'This was someone who was driven to commit crimes because of prescription drugs.'

Eli Lilly said it has been successful in helping defeat 70 other cases where alleged criminals blamed their behaviour on Prozac. However, Healy said: 'Eli Lilly is legally trapped. They might like to admit that Prozac causes violence, but they could open themselves up to all sorts of claims.'

anthony.browne@observer.co.uk

• Prozac Survivors Support Group helpline: 0161 682 3296; Counselling & Tranquilliser Addiction helpline 0151 949 0102

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3973045,00.html
 
If you ever dig through the dark side{ what side isn't dark} of CNN.com they wrote a report which goes against what they publically show on the media about prozac. If I can find it I will report here but it siad that since 1991 the prescriptions for Prozac and Paxil increase 250 % per year

so if:

1991 = 100 people
1992 = 350 people
1993 = 1225 people
1994 = 4287.5 people
1995 = 15006.25 people
1996 = 52521.88 people
1997 = 153826.56 people
1998 = 643392.97 people
1999 = 2251875.4 people
2000 = 7881563.9 people
2001 = 19703910 people

To me if the CNN numbers are accurate it looks to me like a carefully orchestrated plan to drug the nation by the Governement and Pharma Cartel. Quite successful as well by the looks of things.

BUt why should we worry after all the government has our best interest at heart ;)
 
I wouldn't want my children on Prozac or Paxil it had been enough effects on me when they tried to put me on either of them
 
Todd-

Thanks for the statistics. It's alarming to think that that many people are on these powerful medications. Makes you think that a small percentage of them could easily spin a bearing and shoot up a schoolyard or post office.

The thing is, you destroy your own argument by using hyperbolic statements like "well-orchestrated plan".

The truth is that Pharmaceutical companies give huge amounts of money to political candidates and parties to make sure their drugs get approved by the FDA. The drug companies simply want to make as much money as they can.

I'm not sure this constitutes a "well-orchestrated plan to drug the nation" which implies some sort of New-World-Order mind-control conspiracy.
 
Problem Child said:
I'm not sure this constitutes a "well-orchestrated plan to drug the nation" which implies some sort of New-World-Order mind-control conspiracy.

Like I said, "Don't Worry the Government has your best interest in mind." ;)
 
"The Gov't's Out To Get Us"

wasn't this the way Timothy McVeigh began to think before he fell off the mental stability wagon?

c'mon Todd.
 
lavender said:
Todd -

Have you watched Dr. Strangelove lately????? I wonder what Todd has to say about water fluoridation?

Lavy-

Dr. Strangelove is probably my favorite movie- EVER!

Since I first saw it fifteen or so years ago, I have been on a lifelong quest for Purity Of Essence.
 
Back in college, I was taking 24 units and working a 40+ hour a week night job PLUS working at the campus radio station on the side. After a couple semesters, I naturally started to feel pretty run down and a little depressed.

Went to the doctor and after hearing half my story, he took out his prescription pad and wrote me up for Prozac. Just like that! So I took it for about a week, then quit. It didn't make me less run down (maybe I didn't take it long enough) but it did give me this incredibly irritating buzzy, tingly feeling in the back of my head.

I'm not even a doctor, and I know that what I really needed was more rest, not some hardcore brain chemical supplement. What amazed me (and still amazes me) is the ease with which doctors will hand out these medications. Prozac can do wonders for the severely depressed. The problem is when doctors prescribe it as a pick-me-up for anyone who's feeling the slightest bit blue. Of course that will cause problems! And Drug Corporations are only too happy to see any of their products over-prescribed, no matter what the risk to public health. But if Prozac is directly linked to many violent crimes, and Prozac goes the way of thalidomide, maybe Big Drug won't be so prone to push their wares on every man, woman, & child regardless of need. Or maybe not.
 
lavender

It's all a plot to sap us of our precious bodily fluids.


Blaming Prozac for school shootings is ridiculous. The renowned physician, Dr. Bat Guano, Chief of Medicine at the Institute for the Very, Very Nervous has studied this non issue and other urban legends (millions of kids taking Ritalin, the Democrats are for the "little people", etc.). His findings will be published in 2002 in his latest White Paper titled "How Stupid Fucking Parents Screw Up Their Kids."
 
lavender said:
After about 30 seconds he was ready to do the deed.

I should have known that Hazie wasn't one for extensive foreplay.

I didn't know you'd start singing Billie Holliday songs, that always makes me wanna bust down the door.

You could've waited around for round two, BUT NO! Off to your poetry clan you go.

You think it's easy being me?

Ya gotta give me another shot, I promise you two full hours of dedicated muff-diving delirium.

I'll lap away like you're ice cream on a hot August afternoon.

I promise.
 
Oh I hate to say this, but I was on prozac when I was 19, and it made me really aggressive. I wasn't on it for long, though.
 
Yeah, christ Unregistered. Don't you realize how much Lav hates it when people take jokes seriously :p
 
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