Is this rape?

[JackLuis]

MeanBlackJack, your first thread hijacked!

Or is it thread rape?

 

[sillypanda]

No, it's not rape. No physical coercion and she made the decision herself. Sure some women will call it rape--in order not to accept the responsibility for their own decisions.

Whoa whoa whoa. This may not be how you intended the above to read, but just to clear up (lest anyone get themselves into trouble), physical coercion is NOT an element of rape in most jurisdictions.

In the story the OP describes, there is definitely no rape (which is a term that is gradually being replaced by sexual battery). Criminally, the only thing I can come up with is sexual assault, and that's pretty flimsy - I doubt any DA would take it. Civilly, well, she's got all sorts of options, but only if she's willing to stand up in court and say "Yeah, look, I fucked this dude cuz he said he was dying and he's not and I suffered damages, right, so give me money."

And if she is, well, there's probably a reality show somewhere that would love to cast her in further shameless exploits.

 

[Edward Teach]

Sounds like a lie.

I know of this actually happening.

Also, I doubt that you can dream up very many situations involving sex that haven't actually happened. I wrote a story about a 21 yr old, on her honeymoon, getting fucked at a party by a sixty-something man she had just met. I was afraid no one would think it believable, but then I got feedback from two women who said it had happened to them--one said she got impregnated and bore the guys child.

Edward the Convinced

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have heard or read a few times about a guy saying he thinks he might be gay, and a woman wanting to "save" him from that by showing him straight sex is better. I wonder if this has ever actually happened.

 

[R. Richard]

There are a couple of women around my town who have bumper stickers that say: "If you're rich, I'm single!" Fibbing to such a woman is not rape.

 

[DehviantGirl]

Nice. Point well made though, my message wasn't clear.

Regardless of category; fiction or non, the element of the plot being discussed seemed simply to be a lie told to get something someone wanted. Not rape.

What sounds like a lie? Did you miss the part about this being a fictional story?

 

[sr71plt]

Nice. Point well made though, my message wasn't clear.

Regardless of category; fiction or non, the element of the plot being discussed seemed simply to be a lie told to get something someone wanted. Not rape.

Well, yes, the OP established that it was a lie told to get what the guy wanted.

 

[estragon]

The Sole Difference

between rape and seduction is salesmanship. In the hypothetical we're discussing, the lady could have demanded production of her prospective sex partner's medical records, and required him to submit to an independent medical examination by doctor(s) of her sole choosing. She chose not to do so. Therefore, his actual medical condition was less material to her decision than we might otherwise expect. No extreme psychological compulsion (such as, "I have your baby hostage, submit"--that would be rape) or actual physical force--therefore no rape. To hold a man guilty of rape every time he tried to talk a woman into sex would be to lock up a large part of the adult population. Maybe Andrea Dworkin would like that, but that evil day is not yet.

 

[Stella_Omega]

No, the sole difference betwen rape and seduction is this; Rape is forcing sex on an unwilling partner.

The means can be drugs, fear, violence. The point is that someone forces sexual activity on someone else who otherwise would not have entered into such activity.

"Seduce" actually meant rape in its early usages. Nowadays, we use it more or less as a synonym of "persuade." Persuasion implies an eventual acquiescence...

And this lady did acquiesce. I'm sure I would feel very nearly as angry and sullied once I found out the extent of his lies as if I had been raped-- it's every bit as ugly-- but it wasn't rape.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

No, the sole difference betwen rape and seduction is this; Rape is forcing sex on an unwilling partner.

The means can be drugs, fear, violence. The point is that someone forces sexual activity on someone else who otherwise would not have entered into such activity.

"Seduce" actually meant rape in its early usages. Nowadays, we use it more or less as a synonym of "persuade." Persuasion implies an eventual acquiescence...

And this lady did acquiesce. I'm sure I would feel very nearly as angry and sullied once I found out the extent of his lies as if I had been raped-- it's every bit as ugly-- but it wasn't rape.

Exactly. Rape also used to mean 'abduction' but not anymore. Today the difference between rape and seduction is between "No!" and "Well, okay".

 

[sr71plt]

Exactly. Rape also used to mean 'abduction' but not anymore.

Yes, and it's a sore loss (like the word "gay") that we can't use the word in that context anymore (but of course we can't). There's a delightful song in The Fantasticks wrapped around that meaning of the word.

 

[estragon]

Stella, Exactly

the difference is coercion. You posted:"No, the sole difference betwen rape and seduction is this; Rape is forcing sex on an unwilling partner.

The means can be drugs, fear, violence. The point is that someone forces sexual activity on someone else who otherwise would not have entered into such activity."

I don't see the difference between what I said and what you said.

 

[Stella_Omega]

the difference is coercion. You posted:"No, the sole difference betwen rape and seduction is this; Rape is forcing sex on an unwilling partner.

The means can be drugs, fear, violence. The point is that someone forces sexual activity on someone else who otherwise would not have entered into such activity."

I don't see the difference between what I said and what you said.

Salesmanship is not violence. Salesmanship is not drugs. Salesmanship is not fear. Salesmanship is not force. You put the emphasis the wrong way-- or at least, opposite to what i would have put it...

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Sigh . . . Salesmanship was never my strong point. I guess that's why I got run off with.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Sigh . . . Salesmanship was never my strong point. I guess that's why I got run off with.

She had a persuasive way about her.

*nods*

 

[voluptuary_manque]

She had a persuasive way about her.

*nods*

She did, indeed. And she's not alone . . .