Is this a display of some herpes pus or what?

[pabloback]

I resent the fact that you people are making me side with pabloback..

i agree with everything you say [apart from the bit about agreeing with me , can we agree to disagree on that bit?]

 

[cymbidia]

As posted on WD's "nilla arguement" thread...

Regarding "nilla":
I'm very sorry i ever posted [that statement designed to make people sit up and take notice].
I'm very sorry i opened this whole fucking ugly subject up again.
I'm so tired of feeling like i have to defend... everything... about my sexuality, over and over and over and over.
It just never ends.
It's exhausting.
It's depressing.

If i had another word to use besides "vanilla" or "nilla" to refer to those who don't wish to play in the BDSM sandbox, i would use it. I believe, however, that whatever term was used, someone would object in some way for some reason.

Do you have a workable alternative?

Muff, do you remember that thread in which you and i got hot under the collar about "nilla" last, hmmm, April? May? I really wish SEARCH was working...

We've had this whole discussion over and over on this board.
We've never arrived at a good compromise.

The term "vanilla", commonly shortened to "nilla", has been in use by BDSM'ers for many many years, from a time, certainly, long before the net was even a dream in the minds of its earliest pioneers. What other term should we use? And... why?

You call us deviants. Freaks. Abnormal.
In response and not use perjoratively, only used as a descriptor, is "vanilla" really so bad, comparatively speaking?

C'mon. Why do we have to do this every five or six months?

And if we have to do this here, at liberal-minded Lit, how often do you think we get messages of "not normal" and worse with regard to our sexuality in our everyday lives? It gets so tiring, so old, so dispiriting to have to defend one's sexual needs at every turn but the alternative is to either accept the scorn and derision flung at us or to turn our backs on what we need as fully sexual people.

Which should we do?

Which would you do were you a member of some minority, a minority about which the majority felt perfectly justified in labelling "bad" "wrong" "deviant" "sick"... and worse?

How well would you deal with that day in and day out?



I'm too ragged to do my part in this arguement this time round.
I'm sorry.

 

[Never]

If someone does not wished to be called vanilla then calling them vanilla is a sign of disrespect. Whatever your reasoning, it is just that, nothing more and nothing less. If you want respect in this world, if you want to not be labeled, then you must respect and not label others. Anything less is hypocrisy.

If you know calling someone vanilla will offend them and you do it anyway then, whatever your reasoning, you’re being offensive. I don’t care if you’ve been using this term for one year or ten years or fifty years, people are being insulted by this word and if you continue using it then you’re showing the same ugliness and insensitivity that you accuse others of.

Cymbidia, if I have ever made you feel as though what you do is ‘wrong’ or ‘abnormal’ I apologize here and now. I care about you. I want you to be happy and I wish I could wave Never’s magic wand and make all the intolerance in the world disappear. Cym, I came out in high school, I know how it feels.

If RisiaSkye, WriterDom and cymbidia want to use that term and what to make blanket and untrue statements about everyone who isn’t part of their lifestyle that’s their choice. However, I refuse to view it as anything more than basic human ugliness coming out of three people who should know better.

Caring is a two way street. Tolerance is a two way street. I don't see what's so complecated about that.

 

[RisiaSkye]

If RisiaSkye, WriterDom and cymbidia want to use that term and what to make blanket and untrue statements about everyone who isn’t part of their lifestyle that’s their choice. However, I refuse to view it as anything more than basic human ugliness coming out of three people who should know better.

Caring is a two way street. Tolerance is a two way street. I don't see what's so complecated about that.

Weighing in on the side of reason, Never? Damn, but I hate that. Really hate it.

You're right. And I hate that more.

I read several posts in a row which seemed designed to judge, ridicule, and otherwise condemn body modifiers and BDSMers. In response, I used a term that gives offense to some. I do not apologize for my sexuality or my views, but I do apologize for knowingly giving offense.

 

[Never]

Do you know what frightens me? Drinking seems to make me much more lucid and logical.

RisiaSkye, I understand your reaction. The first time I left Literotica for a few months was due to some bigot jumping on the board and ranting about how evil gays were. In an intolerant world Literotica can easily start to feel like a safe haven, someplace where you can let your gaurd down about and be honest about who you are.

When the board spins 'round and reminds you that you're not 'normal' there's a feeling of betrayal and even hurt since Literotica is supposed to be open-minded. (Course, I'm talking out of my rear end here so it's more than possible that this doesn't apply to you at all)

As I said, I have no qualms with the term vanilla and on an emotional level I understand your and cymbidia's reaction. It's not fair that people judge what is so not their business. It's not right that they demand another's personal life fit their narrow moral code.

I mean, what’s wrong with butterflies? I think they’re cute. Everyone should have a butterfly tattooed on their mound, everyone with a mound that it, and not me - I have this thing about needles. Oo - gives me the willies just thinking about them.

Oops, the alcohol is wearing off.

Anyways, just keep that avatar, cause if you don’t I’ll sentence you to fiery damnation.

Love,
Never.

 

[cymbidia]

I apologize as well, and am appalled and alarmed that i have been intolerant of people i care for.

Additionally, i am heartily sick of this whole subject.

Finally, woe be unto the next person who refers to me or my sexuality using words i don't like.

 

[Svedish_Chef]

I mean, what’s wrong with butterflies? I think they’re cute. Everyone should have a butterfly tattooed on their mound, everyone with a mound that is, and not me - I have this thing about needles. Oo - gives me the willies just thinking about them.

Oops, the alcohol is wearing off.

Anyways, just keep that avatar, cause if you don’t I’ll sentence you to fiery damnation.

Love,
Never.

I'm taking that as all adressed to me... and I'm licking my lips.

 

[Never]

I apologize as well, and am appalled and alarmed that i have been intolerant of people i care for.

Additionally, i am heartily sick of this whole subject.

Finally, woe be unto the next person who refers to me or my sexuality using words i don't like.

You get on your hands and knees behind them and I'll push.

 

[RisiaSkye]

Anyways, just keep that avatar, cause if you don’t I’ll sentence you to fiery damnation.

Love,
Never.

Oh, YOU have that power? I've been wondering. So many people claim to have it, but I just know most of them are lying. Good to have that all straightened out.

Thanks for getting it.

Happy New Year, Never. To you and all the inmates and visitors at lavy-land Ranch.

RS

 

[Never]

I'm not at the lavy-land ranch. I was kicked out the night before last so one of the many Mr. lavenders could stay there for New Years.

I'm still at Mischka's house - not that I could drive home anyway.

~le sigh~
The sacrifices I make so lavy can get some Pooty-Tang.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

I was getting ready to rebut (as I'm obviously fond of doing ), but folks seem to be making their peace and because Never's post above (the one from 2:57 CST) absolutely took the words out of my mouth (as well as some words I wish had been in my mouth - her post left me with one of those envious "I wish I had written that" feelings that I get when I read a well-articulated piece of writing that deeply resonates with me).

As my New Year's gift to the board, I'll pretty much let this lie. (I know, I know. No need to thank me. )

But not without some pretty innocuous remarks first, of course.

Never: Thanks for being so articulate. You made my point much better than I did (and for that you must die! You're not allowed to learn to argue any better.

Cym and Risia: I acknowledge that this issue must look very different to you from your perspective given the real difficulties of living BDSM lifestyles, so being referred to as 'nilla is an exceedingly small offense. Point taken. Plus, everyone else gets to be a victim. Why can't I?

Risia: Natch'. I was getting lonely without someone to argue with and who better than you?. Don't worry, I won't stay away as long next time. hehehe

To all: Happy New Year, my wonderful fellow litizens. May 2002 be good to us all.

 

[SilverVeil]

Hummmm ....

Now that I am over the initial shock of this pic, I think I know what it is exactly. ( yeah yeah ... a pic of a pussy piercing )

I read about this once, if I am correct, a slender chain is threaded through all the rings, rather like lacing a shoe, and then a tiny padlock is locked on it. It is a very effective chastity belt. I think it was in a book called " A Matter of Possession ".

I have never seen one before, but when I read about it, this is what I imagined.

To each their own. I would not do it to myself, but then I am sure there are things I do others would not do to themselves either.

 

[Cheyenne]

And pcg? Trust me here: no one with that kinda body ornamentation is going down to the local watering hole to pick up a stranger and do a quickie in the back of his truck. People who are *that* aware of thier bodies are far pickier than you might dream about who they let near them. They usually don't do ordinary nilla pick-up fucks at all. They usually need more and are very aware of what they need.


Again, why is this freaking y'all out so much?
I had thought you more sophisticated, more open-minded.
This response is very surprising to me.

I just got here, and I realize the argument is over. I didn't open the thread before now, and I still haven't looked at the pic. I've learned what not to look at here so I don't gross myself out.

If I had been here earlier though, my objection would have been to the idea that someone with holes all over a sensitive part of their body is pickier (better?) because they don't do ORDINARY NILLA PICK-UP FUCKS (Cym's words, not mine.) I would have asked to have "ordinary nilla" defined, since my objection all along has been to being described as "ordinary." That infers something else out there (BDSM) is higher level, non-ordinary, "more," and therefore "better." I don't think so.

I'll stick with my standard theory of "to each his/her own." Just try not to insult my choice of sexuality in the process of making yourself feel better about yours. k?

 

[Guest]

Has it occured to anyone that this vulva is intended, and indeed IS, a work of art? Put that woman on a comfy chair in "Tate Modern" and she would be sure to win the Turner Prize.

I have seen similar big rings (pictures only!) insered into the male urethra, it comes out lower on the glans, and like this lady's the join is made in a nut. The article didn't say that this was done for the pleasure of the pain; this style is called the "Prince Albert", allegedly it was used to turn on Queen Victoria, big time.

The pleasure of pain is not confined to people in "the lifestyle". For example in my country we have the "Comrades Marathon" about 55 miles of very hilly roads. Upwards of 10000 entrants, about 6000 finishers within the time limit. Every marathon runner will tell you that it is a painful business. In the Comrades, the last 15 miles are nearly impossibly painful. There is no sexual benefit. I never saw anyone cross the finishing line with a shit-eating grin. People endure pain also to convince themselves and others that they CAN.

Differing reactions to a range of sensations, as described by Cymbidia, is easy to understand. Also easy to understand is that this reaction changes with experience. I have guessed that this is what is meant when I read about "pushing her limits" and stuff like that.

Chacune a sa gout; and if you haven't tried it, don't knock it.

 

[Never]

Your name is your e-mail address?

That's not too erotic.

 

[KillerMuffin]

No, not erotic, Neverdiddles, but Geo is my friend. Don't spread that around, though. My friendship isn't much of a recommendation these days.

 

[Jaded1]

OMG..........................

I am sitting here pondering ANY possible usage for that much metal in that area. Only rational thought was a primitive means of detecting magnetic land mines. That area being at one time a very sensitive area would be able to detect the gentle downward tugging of the rings by the magnetic force. However, to experience this sensation one would have to be standing directly over the magnetic mine. This in fact would have triggered the mine. My theory bares support by the extensive rectual damage. There appeared to have been such a explosion. The person respond quick enough to avoid a direct hit. Escaping with a near miss.

I do so very much wish to Thank you for the great opportunity to wake up screaming in fear tonight. Once again Thank you. It has been an honor

Jaded1, CT

 

[Siren]

All I got to say about this all......is.......