Is there a term for this?

[lovecraft68]

I've said many times I see myself more as a storyteller than a complete writer. I quit school in 10th grade, always sucked at English when I did go, have taken no classes, have had no one work with me other than an occasional beta reader. My grammar has come a long way, but still sketchy at times, and most of all for the point of this thread, I don't know much beyond "Yeah, I write stories." My best example which I've used here several times is a few years ago someone told me they were blown away by my use of unreliable narrator and I had to look up what that meant. If I do a certain 'thing' in a story, it was just instinct or how the story came out of me.

Having said that, I wrote a line yesterday that made me stop and think because I do this particular thing quite often, so it made me wonder if there is some type of official term for this, or there's really nothing to it.

"Yeah, okay, like you weren't fucking hard while watching your wife fucking hard."

Same combination of words, two meanings, used in the same sentence. In my unprofessional mind I refer to this as a "turnaround" or the joke I see what you did there" Some of them are not the same exact two words in the same order. I could also play it as "You were fucking hard watching your wife fuck hard"

Curious if this is some type of concept like a Colloquialism?

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

John Lennon did similar with "Please Please Me" which he based in part on Bing Crosby's " Please, Lend your little ear to my pleas."

 

[AwkwardlySet]

When I see such examples, I simply call them wordplay. That's how I see them anyway. There could be some nerdy name for it, though.

Believe it or not, until someone mentioned it here a few years ago, I didn't even know that what I was writing was called 'close third-person POV'. There were other terms I didn't know about as well, although I am not sure how much of that was me not being a native speaker, and how much was general ignorance about these things.

 

[Erozetta]

Your term is more succinct than mine.

I usually refer to it as "reiteration for effect."

And I've also had to look stuff up after someone pointed out I was doing a technical thing in a story. Had no clue, wasn't intentional, was just how the story shook out.

 

[lovecraft68]

When I see such examples, I simply call them wordplay. That's how I see them anyway. There could be some nerdy name for it, though.

Believe it or not, until someone mentioned it here a few years ago, I didn't even know that what I was writing was called 'close third-person POV'. There were other terms I didn't know about as well, although I am not sure how much of that was me not being a native speaker, and how much was general ignorance about these things.

Wordplay is most likely all it is.

I'm a native speaker and still don't know what that term 'close third person POV means which just proves the point I made in my thread. If I did it, it wasn't intentional. I tend to write in this odd third person style that tends to resemble first without using I/Me its hard to describe but someone here pointed it out to me a long time ago and I....didn't try to change anything about it, that would make my head hurt. I have smut to tell, this isn't English class bucko.

I take 'panster' style right down to the technical aspects.

 

[THBGato]

Isn't it a double entendre? Basically, "doubly understood".

Or is it simply an example of the versatility of the word "hard" here? You use it as both an adjective (the first usage) and adverb (second).

 

[TheLobster]

The extremely technical term is antanaclasis — using the same word in multiple different meanings. Most people probably would just call it a pun or wordplay, whilst also remarking that although time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

There's one about grandma and lunch too, but I can't think of it right now. That's more about a misplaced comma though.

 

[jsmiam]

The extremely technical term is antanaclasis — using the same word in multiple different meanings. Most people probably would just call it a pun or wordplay, whilst also remarking that although time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Nice work!

And did you know that already, or did you find it through investigation? If you found it through researching, you must have taken some Dan Tanna classes! (Aye, no. I know, that Dan Tanna one was just a rhyme.)

But follow up question: Is there also a word for doing the same basic thing, but with different words/same pronunciations? (Like “Aye no, I know.”?

 

[lovecraft68]

The extremely technical term is antanaclasis — using the same word in multiple different meanings. Most people probably would just call it a pun or wordplay, whilst also remarking that although time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

Thanks for finding that. It's like my daughter says all the time, usually in regard to people in their outrage and drama, "Everything is a thing."

 

[TheLobster]

And did you know that already, or did you find it through investigation?

I remembered the fruit fly pun and just searched for it on Wikipedia. Turned out it actually has its own page, which conveniently links to the atana... anata... antanabananaclasis one

 

[TheLobster]

But follow up question: Is there also a word for doing the same basic thing, but with different words/same pronunciations? (Like “Aye no, I know.”?

That is -- and imagine I'm pronouncing this very carefully -- a homophonic pun.

 

[XerXesXu]

Zeugma. Probably.

 

[lovecraft68]

Zeugma. Probably.

Thanks. I looked that one up, of course there are variations of it. Interesting stuff.

 

[AoiEndo]

The term is ‘Zeugma’ . Look it up

 

[jsmiam]

Fun topic.

It looks like sigma (I’ve given up trying to type it on my phone: autocorrect wins) more often means use a word just once, but apply more than one meaning to it in parts of sentence, whereas antanaclasis will use the word more than once, one meaning at a time?

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6348630

 

[lovecraft68]

I can't help it.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Isn't it a double entendre? Basically, "doubly understood".

No double entendre is saying one thing with two possible meanings, one of them usually being either sarcastic or naughty. Example is ZZTop's "She want a pearl necklace." It's naughty, but technically he's only saying that she wants a string of pearls.

 

[lovecraft68]

No double entendre is saying one thing with two possible meanings, one of them usually being either sarcastic or naughty. Example is ZZTop's "She want a pearl necklace." It's naughty, but technically he's only saying that she wants a string of pearls.

Don't forget Tube Snake Boogie.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Eating at the Y.

 

[iwatchus]

I've said many times I see myself more as a storyteller than a complete writer. I quit school in 10th grade, always sucked at English when I did go, have taken no classes, have had no one work with me other than an occasional beta reader. My grammar has come a long way, but still sketchy at times, and most of all for the point of this thread, I don't know much beyond "Yeah, I write stories." My best example which I've used here several times is a few years ago someone told me they were blown away by my use of unreliable narrator and I had to look up what that meant. If I do a certain 'thing' in a story, it was just instinct or how the story came out of me.

Don't sell yourself short. There is a value to formal education -- I invested lots of my time in getting a PhD. And I have spent much of my career as a college professor. But I certainly did not know what an antanaclasis was. Nor did most of the rest of us. Much more important than individual bits of arcane knowledge is the willingness to ask when you don't know.

I struggle with bits of grammar that appear only in fiction; all of my training since high school has been for non-fiction, academic writing. Some of the rules translate over. All the dialog, narrator, 1P vs 2P vs 3P discussions have all been new territory for me. It is both frustrating and makes it interesting.

 

[AG31]

When I see such examples, I simply call them wordplay.

Wordplay is most likely all it is.

I was preparing to suggest "play on words." Interested to discover zeugma!!!

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Don't forget Tube Snake Boogie.

Or Aerosmith's Big Ten Inch ... record of my favorite blues.

Or Rev Horton Heat's Wiggle Stick.

Or the female version ...

Rock Box

If you wanna know
What rocks my bones
I got a box with boss tone

My rock box, gonna plug it in
My rock box, gonna turn it on again

When it vibrates,
it shivers and shakes,
quivers and quakes

My rock box, gonna make some noise
in my rock box, it's my favorite toy
My rock box, got a fresh new vibe
for my rock box, gonna stick it inside

It's a little beat up but I don't care
I take my rock box everywhere
I make beautiful sounds with it
It's never let me down
I use it every day
Would you like to play with my ... ?

When I'm home alone
or wherever I roam
I'm always in the zone

With my rock box, gonna flick the switch
on my rock box, when I get that itch

The sounds that I make
keep my neighbors awake
I never give them a break, no

My rock box, gonna plug it in
My rock box, gonna turn it on again
My rock box, gonna make some noise
in my rock box, it's my favorite toy
My rock box, got a fresh new vibe
for my rock box, gonna stick it inside
Got my rock box, gonna flick the switch
on my rock box, when I get that itch

(Rock box)
Sometimes it's a bit fuzzy
(Rock box)
It's got this little knob on it
(Rock box)
and ya press it like this ...

 

[lovecraft68]

Eating at the Y.

DATY one of the more popular lingo in escort ads. MSOG is my favorite though (Multiple shots on goal)

 

[lovecraft68]

Or Aerosmith's Big Ten Inch ... record of my favorite blues.

Or Rev Horton Heat's Wiggle Stick.

Or the female version ...

I picked up right away that Cyndi Lauper's She Bop was about masturbation

What was the old Zappa song, Dynamo Hum, or something like that?