Is the UN now obsolete? a gravy train for diplomats and little more?

[hobbit.]

if easily upset or offended DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1511368617690079234

the UN is now obsolete, what purpose can it have if an aggresive country, such as Russia, has a permanent veto - simply because they have, as ive put elsewhere, its like a murderer sitting on the jury at their own trial and the judge only expecting a 100% verdict. It is now no more than a well paid post for diplomats to express anger, wring their hands, look sad, make proposals and generally chat shit.

 

[pecksniff]

UNICEF and UNESCO are worth something.

But the UN will never be the world government the world so urgently needs until it has a stronger military force than all its member states together.

 

[hobbit.]

UNICEF and UNESCO are worth something.

But the UN will never be the world government the world so urgently needs until it has a stronger military force than all its member states together.

a fairly bogus point though, since no matter how much military power a state or group of states has, it also has to have the ability to control it (and itself - think russia under putin) and/or the willingness to use its power (responsibly - define responsibly?) when the need arises.

throw in the veto point and it becomes perversely a charter for psychopaths and bullies.

 

[mayfly13]

Funny how the OP didn't become apoplectic
when Britain committed war crimes in Iraq


ICC abandons inquiry into alleged British war crimes in Iraq
Prosecutor says, however, there is ‘reasonable basis to believe’ atrocities may have been committed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...quiry-into-alleged-british-war-crimes-in-iraq

 

[oggbashan]

Funny how the OP didn't become apoplectic
when Britain committed war crimes in Iraq


ICC abandons inquiry into alleged British war crimes in Iraq
Prosecutor says, however, there is ‘reasonable basis to believe’ atrocities may have been committed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...quiry-into-alleged-british-war-crimes-in-iraq

And the allegations against the US have not even been investigated...

The UK could have used its veto. Instead, it cooperated and launched its own investigations. Accusations of abuse have always been directed at the victors but the investigation concluded that there was no proof.
For a prosecution to start there has to be evidence that would stand up in court. There isn't any. There is against the US including videos.

 

[HisArpy]

The UN is a place for foreign nation representatives to gather and TALK while spending shit-tons of money they get from the US as "aid packages" on themselves and their cronies.

It has never been, and will never be, more than that.

 

[oggbashan]

The report also shows the UN's bias. Any competent court if it could find no evidence would not say 'we think it happened but we can't prove it'.

To state that they think the British Army did commit abuses but they cannot be proved, shows that they were looking for something, couldn't find it, and yet assigned blame.

What happened to 'Innocent until proven guilty?'

 

[JohnnySavage]

Maybe they are just giving a nod to history? I mean, the British empire doesn't really have a 1000 year record of benevolence to the peoples of the world.

 

[oggbashan]

Maybe they are just giving a nod to history? I mean, the British empire doesn't really have a 1000 year record of benevolence to the peoples of the world.

There was NO 1000 years of the British Empire. At the most extensive it started 400 years ago. The British Empire was far more benevolent than other European countries' empires and we gave independence to all of it

The US in more recent times has been far worse than the British ever were. Who kept slavery long after the French and British has abolished it? Who massacred Native Americans? Who fought unnecessary wars with Spain and the Philippines?

Who keeps Puerto Rico as a colony? Not a US state and not independent?

We would like to quit Diego Garcia and hand it back to the islanders - for which we are criticised by the UN. We can't. Why not? Because it is home to a large US airbase and the US still wants it but is willing for the UK to take the blame.

 

[HisArpy]

The report also shows the UN's bias. Any competent court if it could find no evidence would not say 'we think it happened but we can't prove it'.

To state that they think the British Army did commit abuses but they cannot be proved, shows that they were looking for something, couldn't find it, and yet assigned blame.

What happened to 'Innocent until proven guilty?'

As opposed to, say, "Trump's guilty" and "we need his tax returns to prove it"?

 

[phrodeau]

As opposed to, say, "Trump's guilty" and "we need his tax returns to prove it"?

Trump was doing business in Russia while he denied doing business in Russia. Trump paid off a porn star while he denied paying off a porn star.

 

[Rightguide]

The UN just voted to remove Russia from their Human Rights Council.

 

[mayfly13]

There was NO 1000 years of the British Empire. At the most extensive it started 400 years ago. The British Empire was far more benevolent than other European countries' empires and we gave independence to all of it

The US in more recent times has been far worse than the British ever were. Who kept slavery long after the French and British has abolished it? Who massacred Native Americans? Who fought unnecessary wars with Spain and the Philippines?

Who keeps Puerto Rico as a colony? Not a US state and not independent?

We would like to quit Diego Garcia and hand it back to the islanders - for which we are criticised by the UN. We can't. Why not? Because it is home to a large US airbase and the US still wants it but is willing for the UK to take the blame.

disclaimer:

hey British posters on Lit.
you must have noticed I keep whining about Brits.&

I think that all Empires led to abuse and oppression.
the British Empire being particularly sneaky and successful because they invented PC

In saying that, I'm not Anglo-phobic, I met many wonderful British immigrants.
Where people from Europe, Asia, Middle East & fall who Are Anglo-phobic fall short, is that they don't know History and haven't travelled, to realize that Britain isn't monolythic, and that the snotty insular upper class is only a very small %, and it oppresses other Brits just as it oppressed the world.

 

[hobbit.]

The UN just voted to remove Russia from their Human Rights Council.

its a start.

 

[mayfly13]

And what have and will those achieve?

flowery speeches "Brave brave Ukrainians", politicians standing up and applauding Zelenski, 90% of the World's laypeople being with Ukrainians online,
crippling economic sanctions, declaring Putin a war criminal, etc etc.

They achieved fuck;all.

They aren't stopping the massacre one bit.

 

[ll74]

And what have and will those achieve?

flowery speeches "Brave brave Ukrainians", politicians standing up and applauding Zelenski, 90% of the World's laypeople being with Ukrainians online,
crippling economic sanctions, declaring Putin a war criminal, etc etc.

They achieved fuck;all.

They aren't stopping the massacre one bit.

Keeping the pressure on requires political capital, which is what the speeches are for.

They are still uncovering deeper financial ties which can be added to sanctions.

The one thing that would sting the most is getting Europe off the Russian oil tit.

 

[hobbit.]

not an easy watch, but a country which can do this isnt human
do not watch if you vomit easily

 

[mayfly13]

Keeping the pressure on requires political capital, which is what the speeches are for.

They are still uncovering deeper financial ties which can be added to sanctions.

The one thing that would sting the most is getting Europe off the Russian oil tit.

They're NOT working in stopping the massacre. AT ALL.

Despite the fact that Russia's economy is in shambles,
Putin still has a whooping internal approval, and his army still keeps going.

The measures Won't start working sooner than a few months (if not a year) from now,
most analysts predict that, so Biden & know that
and by then hundreds of thousands of civilians could well have been butchered.


People are getting impatient at all this masturbation, they are rightfully wondering if the West's real agenda is some shock doctrine to turn markets on their head,.

 

[ll74]

They're NOT working in stopping the massacre. AT ALL.

Despite the fact that Russia's economy is in shambles,
Putin still has a whooping internal approval, and his army still keeps going.

The measures Won't start working sooner than a few months (if not a year) from now,
most analysts predict that, so Biden & know that
and by then hundreds of thousands of civilians could well have been butchered.


People are getting impatient at all this masturbation, they are rightfully wondering if the West's main agenda is some shock doctrine to tuen markets on their head,.

Sanctions are meant to push influencers of leaders to pressure the leader to reverse course.

They're working. They're just not as real time as bombing the fuck out of people.

Which is your only other option.

 

[mayfly13]

1. Sanctions are meant to push influencers of leaders to pressure the leader to reverse course.

They're working. 2. They're just not as real time as bombing the fuck out of people.

Which is your only other option.

1. what a load of dishonest crap.
it's been 2 months since we've heard and continue to hear the same wishful memes.
It would be the first time in history that sanctions managed to stop massacres in time.

2. you're right, there doesn't seem to be any other solution than ww3 which will lead to even more deaths.


At least we should all say what every leader and analyst thinks:
"You, Ukrainians are the only way to avert ww3, thank you for being cannon fodder and for donating hundreds of thousands of your lives to stop it from happening."

 

[ll74]

1. what a load of dishonest crap.
it's been 2 months since we've heard and continue to hear the same wishful memes.
It would be the first time in history that sanctions managed to stop massacres in time.

2. you're right, there doesn't seem to be any other solutions than ww3 which will lead to even more deaths.


At least we should all say what every leader and analyst thinks:
"You, Ukrainians are the only way to avert ww3, thank you for being cannon fodder and for donating hundreds of thousands of your lives to stop it from happening."

1. Sanctions arent meant to be immediate.
2. Yep

People have openly admitted that we will not put boots on the ground. You keep expecting something more for some reason.

 

[mayfly13]

1. Sanctions arent meant to be immediate.
2. Yep

People have openly admitted that we will not put boots on the ground. You keep expecting something more for some reason.

the effect of sanctions will be powerful enough to stop Russia's military, no sooner than 6 months or a year from now.

By then, thousands if not hundreds of thousands or even millions of Ukrainians would have died.
Better have half a million civillian die, than tens of millions.
That's what Biden and Boris think, and you can't really blame thrm for it.

And the "brave brave Ukrainians" phrase that Biden& Johnson keep masturbating over ad nauseam iscdesigned to give them some moral veneer. "Why intervene and risk ww3, when Ukrainians are so brave brave not helplress at all.

You see the painful shame and avoidance in their eyes every time they feed us optimistic bullshit about the sanctions, or they lionize Ukrainians.

 

[ll74]

the effect of sanctions will be powerful enough to stop Russia's military, no sooner than 6 months or a year from now.

By then, thousands if not hundreds of thousands or even millions of Ukrainians would have died.
Better have half a million civillian die, than tens of millions.
That's what Biden and Boris think, and you can't really blame thrm for it.

And the "brave brave Ukrainians" phrase that Biden& Johnson keep masturbating over ad nauseam iscdesigned to give them some moral veneer. "Why intervene and risk ww3, when Ukrainians are so brave brave not helplress at all.

You see the painful shame and avoidance in their eyes every time they feed us optimistic bullshit about the sanctions, or they lionize Ukrainians.

Ok. And?

 

[mayfly13]

I still think they're killing 2 birds with one stone.

By using economic sanctions (which will only work in stopping the war 6-12 months from now) instead of boots on the ground, they're avoiding a far bigger catastrophe as in ww3.
History IS with them on that.

But the sanctions are also making their donors rich,

 

[mayfly13]

stop copying the US/UK official bullshit memes and propaganda and call it as it is,
that was my point.