Is the Public Brainwashed About Karl Rove ?

[krastner]

This author sums up my feelings about the fat faggot rove very well.

PUBLIC CATCHING ON TO DIRTY DEEDS
By Bill Gallagher

DETROIT -- Lying and denying, kicking and screaming, the Busheviks are defending comrade Karl Rove from the enemies of the state who are attacking him. We now have the "smoking gun" evidence that Rove was involved in the sordid scheme to "out" CIA officer Valerie Plame.

Retribution, a quintessential Rove political weapon, brought him to expose Plame and risk national security in the process to get back at her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, for telling the truth about George W. Bush's phony claims that Saddam Hussein was shopping for enriched uranium. Wilson debunked the bogus story that Iraq was seeking the nuclear material in Niger. That was a body blow for the Busheviks, who had worked so diligently to "fix" intelligence and build the lies to justify the invasion of Iraq.

A few weeks ago, when Rove claimed liberals coddled terrorists and wanted to provide them "therapy," I offered a few thoughts about the deputy White House chief of staff, the president's "brain," and designer of his political career.

I wrote, "Karl Rove is the most vile, despicable, duplicitous, power-addicted, warmongering, lying neo-fascist in the administration, save Dick Cheney and the man who lets them run the government for him."

Yes, I know. I am prone to benevolence and understatement.

Additionally, Rove is a treasonous coward, the most manipulative and cynical political operative since Rasputin. He has brought his political venereal disease to public life and Rove's clap has infected a large segment of the once-respectable Republican Party. He has mainstreamed and brought to national practice his ruthless partisanship, grand diversions and deceptions and, above all, his model of winning elections by using any means necessary to destroy opponents.

The fellow travelers defending his treachery share Rove's shame. For two years, the White House denied he played any role in the plot to attack Joe Wilson by exposing his wife's work, calling suggestions of Rove's involvement "totally ridiculous." Now, with even Rove admitting his involvement, his apologists are defending his treason.

A Wall Street Journal editorial calls the disclosure of the identity of a covert CIA officer a "pseudo-scandal" and says that Rove "deserves a prize" for being a "whistleblower."

On the Fox News Channel, the American Pravda and White House news agency, blabbing-head John Gibson said Rove should be given a "medal" and that he was glad someone finally outed Valerie Plame. The Republican spin was that Rove was only trying to help reporters get the story straight. Had anyone in the Clinton administration done what Rove has admitted to, these same people would be calling for the death penalty. Their hypocrisy is boundless.

The Rip Van Winkles in the White House press corps finally woke up and started calling the Busheviks just what they are -- shameless liars who will deny the truth with the conviction of flat-earthers.

The pressure of having his lies exposed and having to lie some more is clearly taking a toll on White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan. He looks like a just-goosed Pillsbury doughboy.

As the reporters grilled him, you know McClellan was thinking "God, where is Jeff Gannon when I really need him?"

Gannon, whose real name is James Guckert, was the fake reporter McClellan and Karl Rove provided White House press credentials to so he could repeat their talking points, pretending he was asking serious questions. Guckert's night job was as a homosexual prostitute, an apt complement to the services he provided the Busheviks during the day.

McClellan repeated George W. Bush's faith in Rove, a man the president often calls "turd blossom." That's Bush's tribute to his conviction Rove has the uncanny ability to make something sweet and pretty spring from something not so pleasant.

"Any individual who works here at the White House has the confidence of the president. They wouldn't be working at the White House if they didn't have the president's confidence," McClellan said.

NBC's David Gregory and ABC's Terry Moran stripped McClellan of any credibility and respectability, pointing to his litany of lies in claiming Rove had "no involvement" in discussing Wilson and his wife with reporters.

But many others in the corporate media are just where Rove wants them -- focusing on the narrow question of his criminality. Far more significant is Rove's admitted role in chatting with reporters about Wilson and Plame's relationship, and his clear intent to discredit Wilson and his findings about the Niger hoax.

This whole scandal is about one of the biggest lies the Busheviks used to justify the invasion of Iraq. Without the enriched uranium story, Bush couldn't scare the hell out of people in a State of the Union address, Condoleezza Rice couldn't make her ominous "mushroom cloud" references, Dick Cheney couldn't recite his solemn claim that Saddam Hussein was "actively pursuing nuclear weapons," Colin Powell's speech to the UN would have had more holes in it, and Donald Rumsfeld's inflated assessments of Iraq's weapons would have burst earlier.

These slimeballs are not really Republicans and they are hardly conservatives. They are Busheviks, first and foremost. They don't care about the virtues of our republic or any kind of principle. They don't care what their serial lying does to public discourse. Power alone drives them. Karl Rove will do anything to seize and preserve power. That is his opium, and he used another addicted soul to feed his habit.

Rove's most sinister deed, so far, is the creation of George W. Bush as a marketable and successful political product. Rove made this turd blossom and the results for our nation and the world are catastrophic.

Rove saw potential in Bush his own family didn't. Here was a drunk, later dry-drunk, untreated alcoholic, who failed in nearly every business he touched. On several occasions, his daddy's pals and Saudi influence-peddlers had to rescue George W.'s oil ventures from the jaws of bankruptcy.

Then Bush pulled a few insider-trading tricks to improve his cash flow. A special prosecutor, spending years and $70 million to investigate George W.'s business dealings as Ken Starr did with Bill Clinton's, would have found some real dirty deals. George W. didn't have to put up a dime of his own money when his daddy's pals cut him a share of the Texas Rangers baseball team. That also gave Bush a high-profile position. The corporate welfare the City of Arlington, Texas, provided enriched the team and eventually made Bush a multimillionaire in his own right.

Rove saw his opportunity and groomed Bush to run for Texas governor against Democratic incumbent Ann Richards. Suddenly, Richards was rumored to be a lesbian.

Bush was elected and this occasionally affable but intellectually lazy mediocrity was presidential material. Rove had his eye on the White House.

First, they had to destroy John McCain's candidacy, and in the South Carolina primary, rumors surfaced that McCain had fathered an illegitimate, biracial child.

You could smell the foul stench of "turd blossom" in South Carolina.

Rove and George W. Bush are actually not ideologues. They really don't believe in anything but power and money. They have created a political empire based on a seamless garment of greed. Greed feeds the power. Power feeds the greed.

Karl Rove may be in trouble, but even if he has to vacate his White House office, he'll still have Bush's ear and he'll still be able to spin out his lies.

Bush's personal credibility is plunging. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows the percentage of people who believe Bush is "honest and straightforward" fell to 41 percent from 50 percent in January.

But why has it taken so long for the American people to catch on? And why do so many still buy the big lies?

Karl Rove has that all figured out and that's why he's vital for George W. Bush. Their malignant symbiosis will endure, and more decent people will suffer and die as a result.

Bill Gallagher, a Peabody Award winner, is a former Niagara Falls city councilman who now covers Detroit for Fox2 News. His e-mail address is gallaghernewsman@sbcglobal.net.

 

[dgnerate_gamblr]

Who said journalist weren't objective?

 

[bill-pix-trade]

Rove is one of those cling on pols who could not make it on his own, so he hitched himself to to the Bush wagon. I have seen people like him in all walks of life. I not real impressed, and I will bet the only reason he is still around is he has some good, vile, where the skeletons are dirt on the Bush.

 

[~hellbaby~]

For some reason the public seems brainwashed to every aspect of this administration and the effect it is having on how the rest of the world views the U.S. The public also does not seem too concerned that the percentage of our national debt that is owed to foreign countries and foreign corporations is nearing the 50% mark. Or that our education system is producing less scientists and innovators than ever before and we are increasingly depending on foreign interests to do the jobs and make the advancements that the U.S. once did.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

For some reason the public seems brainwashed to every aspect of this administration and the effect it is having on how the rest of the world views the U.S. The public also does not seem too concerned that the percentage of our national debt that is owed to foreign countries and foreign corporations is nearing the 50% mark. Or that our education system is producing less scientists and innovators than ever before and we are increasingly depending on foreign interests to do the jobs and make the advancements that the U.S. once did.

[neo con mode on]
Fuck that. Fear Factor is on tonight, who cares?
[neo con mode off]

 

[bill-pix-trade]

For some reason the public seems brainwashed to every aspect of this administration and the effect it is having on how the rest of the world views the U.S. The public also does not seem too concerned that the percentage of our national debt that is owed to foreign countries and foreign corporations is nearing the 50% mark. Or that our education system is producing less scientists and innovators than ever before and we are increasingly depending on foreign interests to do the jobs and make the advancements that the U.S. once did.

Are you sure that all happened in the last 4-5 years. We have been losing jobs for decades, are schools have slumped for about the same time. The dept is something this current admin. has fucked up big time. Try not to pin every ill on one administration. It is too easy, and it makes you look simple.

 

[bill-pix-trade]

[neo con mode on]
Fuck that. Fear Factor is on tonight, who cares?
[neo con mode off]

Ah hahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[~hellbaby~]

Are you sure that all happened in the last 4-5 years. We have been losing jobs for decades, are schools have slumped for about the same time. The dept is something this current admin. has fucked up big time. Try not to pin every ill on one administration. It is too easy, and it makes you look simple.

Of course this did not begin only in recent years,education has been an issue since the 1950's. The rate of increase however is increasing at disproportionate levels and nothing is being done to counter balance it.

In 1992 the U.S. current account deficit was $48 billion, which was about half the amount spent that year on our total Medicare program.
In 2004 the current account deficit was $617 billion, 2.3 times larger than the Medicare program (despite a huge increase in Medicare spending) - - and 35% more than we pay for our entire military, and 1.25 times the cost of the entire Social Security program.

This vividly shows how America is living beyond its means - - by consuming more production and savings of others than we produce to meet the needs of foreigners - - resulting in exploding debts payable to foreigners.

In the 12-months to May 2005 the U.S. had a total merchandise trade deficit of $710 billion, while Japan & Germany scored a cumulative trade surplus of $324 billion ($125+$199 bill). That's a whopping $1.03 trillion worse trade performance for the U.S. in JUST ONE YEAR. Those are seriously, significant numbers. America's net foreign liabilities are now approx. 28% of GDP. This indicates the U.S. has become less competitive, despite claims of recent improved productivity (mostly realized only by a narrow part of the economy and primarily by revising how they measure productivity and inflation).

Keep in mind that foreign trade makes up 25% of the U.S. economy - - although this is mostly imports since there has been no export growth in 30 years as the manufacturing base declined 61%.



About the past several years, it has been said: "If the US enjoys a 'new era' with higher "productivity" why has the trade deficit exploded to such high levels? In an economy that is mostly based on "services" which very few foreigners will ever need from us, together with a shrinking manufacturing sector producing real goods, how can some so-called higher "productivity" generate the funds that will be needed to repay the debts owed foreigners who financed a trade deficit that consists mostly of "goods" produced by them and consumed by us? How can competitiveness rise as the result of higher "productivity" if at the same time the trade deficit soars? What competitiveness?"

Additionally, we know from the Productivity Report chapter that much of our recent so-called productivity 'increase' came from changing how productivity and inflation are measured and reported. Just as revising how one measures the SAT exam to pump-up the data is laid bare by how poorly our kids perform on international math exams - - so, also, is our so-called 'productivity' improvements laid bare by our disastrous trade performance.

This situation is so serious that Congress recently established the U.S. Trade Deficit Commission. Its report makes sober reading, showing all commissioners, regardless of political party, are extremely concerned saying not only is the trade deficit not sustainable but it carries a great deal of danger to the nation and living standards. On 25 July 2001 former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker told the Senate Banking Committee hearing on risks of growing balance of payment deficit, "We are a debtor nation with nil personal savings and are absorbing a significant portion of other countries savings. These huge and growing external deficits are symptoms of imbalances in the national economy and the world economy that cannot be sustained."

Since this trend has not been corrected it spells dangerous challenges to the U.S. dollar, as a former 'king' of world reserve currencies as covered in the Foreign Exchange Report - and to American living standards. Said Dr. Allan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Chairman: "We cannot depend on imported capital, that is, a current account deficit, to offset low domestic saving indefinitely."

Foreigners now own more and more of America - - about "$8 trillion of U.S. financial assets, including 13% of all stocks and 24% of corporate bonds", according to Bridgewater Associates. According to the Federal Government Debt Report they also own 44% of U.S. government Treasury bonds & notes and 14% of U.S. government agency debt (household mortgages) up from 5% in 1995. Additionally, they own real estate and factories. We should not be mad at foreign interests. We are the ones consuming beyond our own production, creating unprecedented debts and trade deficits PLUS excessive federal spending.

Long-term trends of exploding deficits in our nation's current accounts and trade are covered in the International Trade Report chapter, with dramatic pictures. .http://mwhodges.home.att.net/hodges.htm ​

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

The only ones brainwashed on here are those that think he broke any law. Even Lanny Davis says he's innocent.

 

[Guest]

The only ones brainwashed on here are those that think he broke any law. Even Lanny Davis says he's innocent.

well then...Thats that.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The only ones brainwashed on here are those that think he broke any law. Even Lanny Davis says he's innocent.

I bet you also think people are brainwashed who think there are no WMD's in Iraq.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Obviously NONE of you have any idea what the law is on this subject or you wouldnt be making such fools of youselves....wait on second thought that never stopped you before.

 

[Purple Haze]

Plame's Identity Marked As Secret

Memo Central to Probe Of Leak Was Written By State Dept. Analyst

By Walter Pincus and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 21, 2005; A01


A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contained information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials.

Plame -- who is referred to by her married name, Valerie Wilson, in the memo -- is mentioned in the second paragraph of the three-page document, which was written on June 10, 2003, by an analyst in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), according to a source who described the memo to The Washington Post.

The paragraph identifying her as the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials.

Anyone reading that paragraph should have been aware that it contained secret information, though that designation was not specifically attached to Plame's name and did not describe her status as covert, the sources said. It is a federal crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, for a federal official to knowingly disclose the identity of a covert CIA official if the person knows the government is trying to keep it secret.

Prosecutors attempting to determine whether senior government officials knowingly leaked Plame's identity as a covert CIA operative to the media are investigating whether White House officials gained access to information about her from the memo, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

The memo may be important to answering three central questions in the Plame case: Who in the Bush administration knew about Plame's CIA role? Did they know the agency was trying to protect her identity? And, who leaked it to the media?

Almost all of the memo is devoted to describing why State Department intelligence experts did not believe claims that Saddam Hussein had in the recent past sought to purchase uranium from Niger. Only two sentences in the seven-sentence paragraph mention Wilson's wife.

The memo was delivered to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell on July 7, 2003, as he headed to Africa for a trip with President Bush aboard Air Force One. Plame was unmasked in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak seven days later.

Wilson has said his wife's identity was revealed to retaliate against him for accusing the Bush administration of "twisting" intelligence to justify the Iraq war. In a July 6 opinion piece in the New York Times and in an interview with The Washington Post, he cited a secret mission he conducted in February 2002 for the CIA, when he determined there was no evidence that Iraq was seeking uranium for a nuclear weapons program in the African nation of Niger.

White House officials discussed Wilson's wife's CIA connection in telling at least two reporters that she helped arrange his trip, according to one of the reporters, Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, and a lawyer familiar with the case.

Prosecutors have shown interest in the memo, especially when they were questioning White House officials during the early days of the investigation, people familiar with the probe said.

Karl Rove, President Bush's deputy chief of staff, has testified that he learned Plame's name from Novak a few days before telling another reporter she worked at the CIA and played a role in her husband's mission, according to a lawyer familiar with Rove's account. Rove has also testified that the first time he saw the State Department memo was when "people in the special prosecutor's office" showed it to him, said Robert Luskin, his attorney.

"He had not seen it or heard about it before that time," Luskin said.

Several other administration officials were on the trip to Africa, including senior adviser Dan Bartlett, then-White House spokesman Ari Fleischer and others. Bartlett's attorney has refused to discuss the case, citing requests by the special counsel. Fleischer could not be reached for comment yesterday.

Rove and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, have been identified as people who discussed Wilson's wife with Cooper. Prosecutors are trying to determine the origin of their knowledge of Plame, including whether it was from the INR memo or from conversations with reporters.

The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that the memo made it clear that information about Wilson's wife was sensitive and should not be shared. Yesterday, sources provided greater detail on the memo to The Post.

The material in the memo about Wilson's wife was based on notes taken by an INR analyst who attended a Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA where Wilson's intelligence-gathering trip to Niger was discussed.

The memo was drafted June 10, 2003, for Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman, who asked to be brought up to date on INR's opposition to the White House view that Hussein was trying to buy uranium in Africa.

The description of Wilson's wife and her role in the Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA was considered "a footnote" in a background paragraph in the memo, according to an official who was aware of the process.

It records that the INR analyst at the meeting opposed Wilson's trip to Niger because the State Department, through other inquiries, already had disproved the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. Attached to the INR memo were the notes taken by the senior INR analyst who attended the 2002 meeting at the CIA.

On July 6, 2003, shortly after Wilson went public on NBC's "Meet the Press" and in The Post and the New York Times discussing his trip to Niger, the INR director at the time, Carl W. Ford Jr., was asked to explain Wilson's statements for Powell, according to sources familiar with the events. He went back and reprinted the June 10 memo but changed the addressee from Grossman to Powell.

Ford last year appeared before the federal grand jury investigating the leak and described the details surrounding the INR memo, the sources said. Yesterday he was on vacation in Arkansas, according to his office.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517.html?sub=AR

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Plame's Identity Marked As Secret

Memo Central to Probe Of Leak Was Written By State Dept. Analyst

By Walter Pincus and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 21, 2005; A01


A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contained information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials.

Plame -- who is referred to by her married name, Valerie Wilson, in the memo -- is mentioned in the second paragraph of the three-page document, which was written on June 10, 2003, by an analyst in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), according to a source who described the memo to The Washington Post.

The paragraph identifying her as the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials.

Anyone reading that paragraph should have been aware that it contained secret information, though that designation was not specifically attached to Plame's name and did not describe her status as covert, the sources said. It is a federal crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, for a federal official to knowingly disclose the identity of a covert CIA official if the person knows the government is trying to keep it secret.

Prosecutors attempting to determine whether senior government officials knowingly leaked Plame's identity as a covert CIA operative to the media are investigating whether White House officials gained access to information about her from the memo, according to two sources familiar with the investigation.

The memo may be important to answering three central questions in the Plame case: Who in the Bush administration knew about Plame's CIA role? Did they know the agency was trying to protect her identity? And, who leaked it to the media?

Almost all of the memo is devoted to describing why State Department intelligence experts did not believe claims that Saddam Hussein had in the recent past sought to purchase uranium from Niger. Only two sentences in the seven-sentence paragraph mention Wilson's wife.

The memo was delivered to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell on July 7, 2003, as he headed to Africa for a trip with President Bush aboard Air Force One. Plame was unmasked in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak seven days later.

Wilson has said his wife's identity was revealed to retaliate against him for accusing the Bush administration of "twisting" intelligence to justify the Iraq war. In a July 6 opinion piece in the New York Times and in an interview with The Washington Post, he cited a secret mission he conducted in February 2002 for the CIA, when he determined there was no evidence that Iraq was seeking uranium for a nuclear weapons program in the African nation of Niger.

White House officials discussed Wilson's wife's CIA connection in telling at least two reporters that she helped arrange his trip, according to one of the reporters, Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, and a lawyer familiar with the case.

Prosecutors have shown interest in the memo, especially when they were questioning White House officials during the early days of the investigation, people familiar with the probe said.

Karl Rove, President Bush's deputy chief of staff, has testified that he learned Plame's name from Novak a few days before telling another reporter she worked at the CIA and played a role in her husband's mission, according to a lawyer familiar with Rove's account. Rove has also testified that the first time he saw the State Department memo was when "people in the special prosecutor's office" showed it to him, said Robert Luskin, his attorney.

"He had not seen it or heard about it before that time," Luskin said.

Several other administration officials were on the trip to Africa, including senior adviser Dan Bartlett, then-White House spokesman Ari Fleischer and others. Bartlett's attorney has refused to discuss the case, citing requests by the special counsel. Fleischer could not be reached for comment yesterday.

Rove and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, have been identified as people who discussed Wilson's wife with Cooper. Prosecutors are trying to determine the origin of their knowledge of Plame, including whether it was from the INR memo or from conversations with reporters.

The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that the memo made it clear that information about Wilson's wife was sensitive and should not be shared. Yesterday, sources provided greater detail on the memo to The Post.

The material in the memo about Wilson's wife was based on notes taken by an INR analyst who attended a Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA where Wilson's intelligence-gathering trip to Niger was discussed.

The memo was drafted June 10, 2003, for Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman, who asked to be brought up to date on INR's opposition to the White House view that Hussein was trying to buy uranium in Africa.

The description of Wilson's wife and her role in the Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA was considered "a footnote" in a background paragraph in the memo, according to an official who was aware of the process.

It records that the INR analyst at the meeting opposed Wilson's trip to Niger because the State Department, through other inquiries, already had disproved the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. Attached to the INR memo were the notes taken by the senior INR analyst who attended the 2002 meeting at the CIA.

On July 6, 2003, shortly after Wilson went public on NBC's "Meet the Press" and in The Post and the New York Times discussing his trip to Niger, the INR director at the time, Carl W. Ford Jr., was asked to explain Wilson's statements for Powell, according to sources familiar with the events. He went back and reprinted the June 10 memo but changed the addressee from Grossman to Powell.

Ford last year appeared before the federal grand jury investigating the leak and described the details surrounding the INR memo, the sources said. Yesterday he was on vacation in Arkansas, according to his office.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517.html?sub=AR

According to Davis (Clinton lawyer, well known lib) who was on the radio, offering his opinion that Mr. Rove will never be indicted much less convicted of any wrong doing. According to Mr. Davis, A prosecutor would have to prove among other things that the said CIA employee was currently under cover or was undercover in the last 5 years, AND that Mr. Rove KNEW the CIA employee was under cover, AND that the CIA was actively protecting her identity. NONE of these burdens has been met.

Im sure you rabid Bush haters foaming at the mouth for SOMETHING, ANYTHING to attack Bush with, will be comforted to note that these laws making the prosecution of Mr. Rove virtually impossible were written by liberal Dems back in the 70s or 80s.

It is also interesting to note that the same media who is so quick to allege Rove broke the law are the same media who filed an amicus brief to the Supreme Court not long ago in the case dealing with protecting the anonymity of media sources, arguing the very opposite (ie that no laws were broken by any parties in the Rove/Plume case).

Media bias????????? It all a figment in the minds of the VRWC.

 

[Purple Haze]

All this from someone who gets his news from radio talk-shows....

 

[ruminator]

According to Davis (Clinton lawyer, well known lib) who was on the radio, offering his opinion that Mr. Rove will never be indicted much less convicted of any wrong doing. According to Mr. Davis, A prosecutor would have to prove among other things that the said CIA employee was currently under cover or was undercover in the last 5 years, AND that Mr. Rove KNEW the CIA employee was under cover, AND that the CIA was actively protecting her identity. NONE of these burdens has been met.

Im sure you rabid Bush haters foaming at the mouth for SOMETHING, ANYTHING to attack Bush with, will be comforted to note that these laws making the prosecution of Mr. Rove virtually impossible were written by liberal Dems back in the 70s or 80s.

It is also interesting to note that the same media who is so quick to allege Rove broke the law are the same media who filed an amicus brief to the Supreme Court not long ago in the case dealing with protecting the anonymity of media sources, arguing the very opposite (ie that no laws were broken by any parties in the Rove/Plume case).

Media bias????????? It all a figment in the minds of the VRWC.

It's easier to understand when it's accepted that the Democrats and the Republicans are the same in this. It's bipartisan corruption.


That shield law is to protect the politicians.

Why do you think they sent Gannon to a $50 dollar School of Journalism? He can cover every encounter with protecting his source.

 

[krastner]

Rove is one of those cling on pols who could not make it on his own, so he hitched himself to to the Bush wagon. I have seen people like him in all walks of life. I not real impressed, and I will bet the only reason he is still around is he has some good, vile, where the skeletons are dirt on the Bush.

Like who's cock bush sucked ?

 

[krastner]

Of course this did not begin only in recent years,education has been an issue since the 1950's. The rate of increase however is increasing at disproportionate levels and nothing is being done to counter balance it.

In 1992 the U.S. current account deficit was $48 billion, which was about half the amount spent that year on our total Medicare program.
In 2004 the current account deficit was $617 billion, 2.3 times larger than the Medicare program (despite a huge increase in Medicare spending) - - and 35% more than we pay for our entire military, and 1.25 times the cost of the entire Social Security program.

This vividly shows how America is living beyond its means - - by consuming more production and savings of others than we produce to meet the needs of foreigners - - resulting in exploding debts payable to foreigners.

In the 12-months to May 2005 the U.S. had a total merchandise trade deficit of $710 billion, while Japan & Germany scored a cumulative trade surplus of $324 billion ($125+$199 bill). That's a whopping $1.03 trillion worse trade performance for the U.S. in JUST ONE YEAR. Those are seriously, significant numbers. America's net foreign liabilities are now approx. 28% of GDP. This indicates the U.S. has become less competitive, despite claims of recent improved productivity (mostly realized only by a narrow part of the economy and primarily by revising how they measure productivity and inflation).

Keep in mind that foreign trade makes up 25% of the U.S. economy - - although this is mostly imports since there has been no export growth in 30 years as the manufacturing base declined 61%.



About the past several years, it has been said: "If the US enjoys a 'new era' with higher "productivity" why has the trade deficit exploded to such high levels? In an economy that is mostly based on "services" which very few foreigners will ever need from us, together with a shrinking manufacturing sector producing real goods, how can some so-called higher "productivity" generate the funds that will be needed to repay the debts owed foreigners who financed a trade deficit that consists mostly of "goods" produced by them and consumed by us? How can competitiveness rise as the result of higher "productivity" if at the same time the trade deficit soars? What competitiveness?"

Additionally, we know from the Productivity Report chapter that much of our recent so-called productivity 'increase' came from changing how productivity and inflation are measured and reported. Just as revising how one measures the SAT exam to pump-up the data is laid bare by how poorly our kids perform on international math exams - - so, also, is our so-called 'productivity' improvements laid bare by our disastrous trade performance.

This situation is so serious that Congress recently established the U.S. Trade Deficit Commission. Its report makes sober reading, showing all commissioners, regardless of political party, are extremely concerned saying not only is the trade deficit not sustainable but it carries a great deal of danger to the nation and living standards. On 25 July 2001 former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker told the Senate Banking Committee hearing on risks of growing balance of payment deficit, "We are a debtor nation with nil personal savings and are absorbing a significant portion of other countries savings. These huge and growing external deficits are symptoms of imbalances in the national economy and the world economy that cannot be sustained."

Since this trend has not been corrected it spells dangerous challenges to the U.S. dollar, as a former 'king' of world reserve currencies as covered in the Foreign Exchange Report - and to American living standards. Said Dr. Allan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Chairman: "We cannot depend on imported capital, that is, a current account deficit, to offset low domestic saving indefinitely."

Foreigners now own more and more of America - - about "$8 trillion of U.S. financial assets, including 13% of all stocks and 24% of corporate bonds", according to Bridgewater Associates. According to the Federal Government Debt Report they also own 44% of U.S. government Treasury bonds & notes and 14% of U.S. government agency debt (household mortgages) up from 5% in 1995. Additionally, they own real estate and factories. We should not be mad at foreign interests. We are the ones consuming beyond our own production, creating unprecedented debts and trade deficits PLUS excessive federal spending.

Long-term trends of exploding deficits in our nation's current accounts and trade are covered in the International Trade Report chapter, with dramatic pictures. .http://mwhodges.home.att.net/hodges.htm ​

It seems that bush is emulating Clinton more each day..I can just hear it " It all depends on what you mean by a crime".

 

[ruminator]

It could drag Rice, Hadley, Bolton, Fleischer, Libby, Cheney and Bush down with the ship.

What happened to the Republicans who were concerned about national security?

Did they trade it in for empty party loyalty?

It turns out the memo was clearly marked 'secret' and additionally marked not to be shared with any foreign intelligence. They have to be laughing at everyone who still supports them.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

Look. Valerie Plame was hardly undercover, nor was she or is she in any danger and this is according to her CIA trainer. He says Plame is a good agent and was once covert but is not any longer. He sees absolutely no wrong doing and says its merely a political broughaha.

IF she was undercover or in any danger, I'd be on the bandwagon, but she's not and never has been....and everone knows it.

 

[krastner]

It could drag Rice, Hadley, Bolton, Fleischer, Libby, Cheney and Bush down with the ship.

What happened to the Republicans who were concerned about national security?

Did they trade it in for empty party loyalty?

It turns out the memo was clearly marked 'secret' and additionally marked not to be shared with any foreign intelligence. They have to be laughing at everyone who still supports them.

Yes...and they emptied their heads at the same time..not that they were ever playnig with a full deck anyhoo...

 

[ruminator]

Look. Valerie Plame was hardly undercover, nor was she or is she in any danger and this is according to her CIA trainer. He says Plame is a good agent and was once covert but is not any longer. He sees absolutely no wrong doing and says its merely a political broughaha.

IF she was undercover or in any danger, I'd be on the bandwagon, but she's not and never has been....and everone knows it.

You're hopeless

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

You're hopeless

Then so is the CIA agent who trained her and Lanny Davis who was one of Clinton's lawyers....and I dare say the Special Prescutor when he fails to indict Rove. And we might as well add everyone in the world that doesnt think Bush AND everyone in his administration is guilty of whatever they may be accused of by whoever makes the accusation. Yeah, that should just about do it.

 

[ruminator]

Then so is the CIA agent who trained her and Lanny Davis who was one of Clinton's lawyers....and I dare say the Special Prescutor when he fails to indict Rove. And we might as well add everyone in the world that doesnt think Bush AND everyone in his administration is guilty of whatever they may be accused of by whoever makes the accusation. Yeah, that should just about do it.

You're saying the memo that held the information on her was wrong? It was marked as info not to be shared or disclosed.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

You're saying the memo that held the information on her was wrong? It was marked as info not to be shared or disclosed.

Memos are often either wrong or incomplete. Its the nature of every bureacracy.

What I am telling you is that the man that trained Plame and worked for the CIA for over 25 years says no crime was committed and that she was NEVER placed in ANY danger. And the absence of any legal jeopardy by Rove is reinforced by (among others) Lanny Davis, a constitutional law specialist who cited several hurdles that could NOT be met for prosecution of Rove.

I will also repeat this was the very argument placed before the Supreme Court in the recent case dealing with secrecy of media sources. In an amicus brief to the court over 30 mainline news organization argued that NO laws had been broken in the Rove/Wilson/Plame case. Thats not my opinion this is FACT.