Is my funboy Bush turning into a statesman?

[p_p_man]

He's been remarkably quiet recently...

Sharon is beginning to pay attention when America speaks...

The Arabs are looking more favourably in America's direction...

Even the threatened trade war with Europe seems to have lessened in ferocity...

Is he turning into a statesman?

Or is he just biding his time until after the elections?

ppman

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You got all your culture from "Classic Comics", didn't you?

 

[KinkyKat]

With our current Secretary of State, current Secretary of Defense, and current Chief National Security Advisor on his Cabinet, and with his father probably having been better trained in foreign affairs than any president since Nixon, The President has more talent to draw on for "statesmanship" training than any president since Roosevelt (FDR...not Teddy).

I think George W. has shown himself to not only be a remarkable statesman, but also a very strategic player on the world stage.

His incredibly rapid creation of an Arab coalition focused on eliminating the Taliban and decimating UBL's organization remains just one of many examples.

 

[miles]

You got all your culture from "Classic Comics", didn't you?

No way. They are full of all those pesky words. He only does pics.

 

[p_p_man]

You got all your culture from "Classic Comics", didn't you?

You gotta a problem kid?

 

[p_p_man]

No way. They are full of all those pesky words. He only does pics.

And I see you're still arse licking miles...

 

[miles]

And I see you're still arse licking miles...

Well, old boy, even if that were true, I could stop. You, on the other hand, will be a moron forever.

 

[metal_minx]

He's been remarkably quiet recently...

Sharon is beginning to pay attention when America speaks...

The Arabs are looking more favourably in America's direction...

Even the threatened trade war with Europe seems to have lessened in ferocity...

Is he turning into a statesman?

Or is he just biding his time until after the elections?

ppman

i think microsoft finally worked out some of the major bugs in the bushbot

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You gotta a problem kid?

Yeah. Your political posts have the depth of a snotty Green Goblin taunt. "So George Bush, you think you can lead the free world! Hah! You are but a simple-minded fool! Now it's time to feel my wrath! Hah-hah-ho-ho-heeeeeee!"

 

[juicygirl]

I love kinky so I am only going to mention this once.

1. Bush pretty much pulled out of foreign affairs early in his presidency and look what happened.
2. His people parroted the Israeli Arafat line and look what happened.
3. He starts a trade war selectively with Europe, but not with allies he thinks he's going to need. The allies he's in bed with do nasty things to women and people who disagree with the governments policies.
4. As far as his Dad being fabulous in foreign policy I really won't judge him to harshly except that he wasn't willing to finish off Sadam and has left his son with the possibility of creating massive instability in the region if he goes after him. (P.S. I don't think we would be in this mess if Bush I or Clinton were still here. I don't think Bush I was a great leader, or Clinton really, but I think Bush I was not the funboy moron that his son is. I know everyone hates Bill because he liked getting head in the oval office but the violence was down while he sued for peace.)
5. Most of all we know George was a coward on September 11. He ran. Ari Fleischer has admitted that there never was a threat against Air force One. He should have been back in DC giving us guidance and the bastards who did this what for.

I still think he's a dumb fratboy, but I really hope I'm proved wrong. If I were in the defense, oil, or farm business maybe I would root for him. Since I am in the skin trade he and his fascist commandant make me fear for my job.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Actually, Peeper.....

.....we are all layin' very low, lulling you into a false sense of security 'till you get your wanker ass "over here"!

The deprogramming center is on standby. It's really a "progressive deprogramming", starts out in an English "style" pub and three days later you will realize you are in a red neck strip club screaming the lyrics to "I'm Proud to be an American!", while swilling "long necks"!

Either there or the 501 Club in Key West wondering if your voice really is getting higher!

You will love sanity !

Rhumb

 

[His_kitty]

5. Most of all we know George was a coward on September 11. He ran. Ari Fleischer has admitted that there never was a threat against Air force One. He should have been back in DC giving us guidance and the bastards who did this what for.

I still think he's a dumb fratboy, but I really hope I'm proved wrong. If I were in the defense, oil, or farm business maybe I would root for him. Since I am in the skin trade he and his fascist commandant make me fear for my job.

This medium is a wonderful place for people of different walks of life, varying opinions and ideas, to express themselves. To be able to discuss things, maybe even to understand others pov's a little better, not to mention maybe even as a learning tool, in some instances.

Having said that, I must disagree strongly especially with that last point. (not saying that I agreed with the others )

I'm sure that this has already been pointed out, over and over, just after the September 11th attacks. But since it has been brought back up and I wasn't here for the earlier discussions, here is my take.


I do not see what happened, as Bush hiding and running away. He was taken to a secure location, but still gave us updates and encouraging words. I never had a problem with the Secret Service and militaries decision to ensure that our President was safe and secure.

I for one would rather do that than to have him in the White House (not knowing at that time, whether it too was going to become another target). Why put our leader at an unnecessary risk?

Had Gore been elected, does anyone think that this would have been handled any differently? I think, as most of my fellow Americans, that George W. Bush handled this atrocity to our nation, wonderfully.

This is only the opinion of a housewife ... who has no connections to oil or the defense business. (My family is involved only minimally in agriculture, more for personal use than for financial gain)

 

[RTWudder]

The beauty of America is that every one of the 260 million or so residents of this country can say, think or do pretty much as they please. And with 260 million opinions, some will be wise, some will be foolish, and some, well........

The smartest thing that George Jr. ever did was surround himself with a savy cabinet and capable people. The president does not in and of himself need to be overly bright if he has good support.

Anyone who has ever worked on a political campaign in the US knows that the candidate is usually jsut a talking head and success depends on the quality of the staff.

Just be thankful that attacks of any sort are rare in this country and that, unlike most of the rest of the world, there is no fighting in our streets, no tanks on the street corners, no armed military checking our papers as we cross from Pennsylvania to Ohio.

The price for that freedom comes high. We must listen to the opinions of others and support their right to voice them without inflicting any rude, dumbass remarks, because we do not agree.

I forget who said "I may not agree with what you have to say, Sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

[juicygirl]

My point was that he lied. But I think we can agree to disagree on the propriety of what he did. Some old folks I know got pissed off because they said that Churchill and FDR never would have played it that way. Since Churchill walked the streets of London during the blitz, I believe them.

About returning to DC, there are a lot of extremely secure facilities in the area, like airforce bases. They could have easily protected the Pres if that was ever really the worry. I think he is an evil twit but you sound very kind. In the end I hope you are right.

 

[KinkyKat]

5. Most of all we know George was a coward on September 11. He ran. Ari Fleischer has admitted that there never was a threat against Air force One. He should have been back in DC giving us guidance and the bastards who did this what for.

There is a great deal of confusion about the steps taken by the U.S. Secret Service and the United States Air Force on September 11 to protect BOTH the President and Air Force One.

The President had to be protected BOTH for the continuation of constitutional governance, and because he is the Commander-In-Chief of our armed forces.

Air Force One, which is nothing more than a large airborne military command post capable of command and control functions (as well as a sophisticated international communications and missile launch/defense platform), also had to be protected from harm. (It carries only minimal defensive systems, and no offensive weapons.)

The President did not, himself, decide the routing of Air Force One. Rather, the U.S.S.S., and the U.S.A.F. followed well-established protocols to keep BOTH the President and aircraft out of harm's way until they knew just what they were dealing with.

Had the President been in the White House at the time of the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon, he would immediately have been flown to a secure location outside of Washington.

(Remember, it was determined that the aircraft wrestled away from the terrorists and flown into the ground was determined to have been intended to hit other targets in Washington, D.C.)

That's all that happened early on Sept. 11. Bush and Air Force One were initially taken to a fighter base which could defend the aircraft if need be, and then taken to a secure location from which the nation's defense could be assessed, planned, and mobilized. (That is also where a super-secret meeting of the National Security Council was convened by scrambled conference methods.)

I think it is inaccurate to characterize the President as a coward because those who protect him and his aircraft had to deal with a situation we've never seen before, and sought to err on the side of caution with respect to taking a defensive posture to protect both.

I would also point out that, in the days following the Sept. 11 attacks, Pres. Bush took enormous risks flying all over the Country reassuring Americans about our safety and our government's responses to these unprovoked military assaults on unarmed civilians.

That said, there's no question the Prez would probably not be a big fan of the skin industry.

 

[RawHumor]

I've never understood why people thought he should go to the Whitehouse or anywhere in DC.

Our country was under attack (and we didn't really know how wide-scale of an attack yet). He's the leader of our country.

Hey, I have a good idea! Let's put him on TV and advertise his location to everyone who wants to know. THAT will ensure that we'll all be safe.

I personally was VERY annoyed with some of the reporters who mentioned (or hinted that) that Clinton would have already been on TV 20 minutes after the attacks. First, upon what can they base such an assertion. Second, Clinton was all about face time on TV as part of his self-promotion and legacy-building.

 

[His_kitty]

I forget who said "I may not agree with what you have to say, Sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire

 

[bored1]

On 9/11 the Secret Service made all the decisions concerning the President, Just like they did for LBJ after Kennedy was asassinated.

 

[p_p_man]

Now it's time to feel my wrath! Hah-hah-ho-ho-heeeeeee!"

Gotcha...

So you're Yayati!

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Actually, Peeper.....

Originally posted by RhumbRunner13 The deprogramming center is on standby. It's really a "progressive deprogramming", starts out in an English "style" pub and three days later you will realize you are in a red neck strip club screaming the lyrics to "I'm Proud to be an American!", while swilling "long necks"!
You will love sanity !

Rhumb [/B]

Does that mean I've got to act as if I've got a coronary every day with my hand on my heart and salute a piece of cloth?

Which if truth would have it is very poorly designed.

There's no room for expansion...

No thanks.

 

[bluespoke]

Re: Re: Actually, Peeper.....

Does that mean I've got to act as if I've got a coronary every day with my hand on my heart and salute a piece of cloth?

Which if truth would have it is very poorly designed.

There's no room for expansion...

No thanks.

This time you deserve everything that comes your way

 

[android1966]

Re: Actually, Peeper.....

The deprogramming center is on standby. It's really a "progressive deprogramming", starts out in an English "style" pub and three days later you will realize you are in a red neck strip club screaming the lyrics to "I'm Proud to be an American!", while swilling "long necks"!

You will love sanity !

Rhumb [/B]

Sounds good I'll be at Lake Michigan for a fishing trip next month.If anyone pays for my beer for three days I'll quite happily slur the words to Star spangled banner, the internationale or Deuschland uber alles.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Actually, Peeper.....

If anyone pays for my beer for three days I'll quite happily slur the words to Star spangled banner, the internationale or Deuschland uber alles.

Or 'Ode to Joy' even...

 

[SINthysist]

He's still the man you chose not to see...