Is Fan Fiction Allowed?

[ImperatorMentus]

I have a story that is fanfiction, but otherwise fits the site. I see nothing in the rules against it, but I also haven't noticed many getting posted.

Are they allowed here?

 

[beachbum1958]

There is a Celebrity & Fan-Fiction category, you could read some of those to give yourself a flavour of what is acceptable on the site, and how far you can push the envelope.

 

[lovecraft68]

They are, but the category is called "Celebrities" here.

 

[ImperatorMentus]

How firm is the requirement to post in that category, assuming the story would otherwise be a good fit in another section?

 

[lovecraft68]

How firm is the requirement to post in that category, assuming the story would otherwise be a good fit in another section?

First, keep in mind the site owner can move it where she thinks it fits best. Fan fic generally goes in Celebs.

 

[Bramblethorn]

First, keep in mind the site owner can move it where she thinks it fits best. Fan fic generally goes in Celebs.

If it's related to a specific RL celeb, yeah.

On the other hand, stuff like World of Warcraft fanfic seems to end up in Sci-Fi/Fantasy; Celebs wouldn't be a good fit for that stuff since there's no RL celeb involved.

edit: oh, and Lovecraftian fic usually ends up in Erotic Horror.

 

[lovecraft68]

If it's related to a specific RL celeb, yeah.

On the other hand, stuff like World of Warcraft fanfic seems to end up in Sci-Fi/Fantasy; Celebs wouldn't be a good fit for that stuff since there's no RL celeb involved.

edit: oh, and Lovecraftian fic usually ends up in Erotic Horror.

I'm always flattered when people write fan fic about me

 

[RejectReality]

The Celebs category was renamed "Celebrities and Fan Fiction" quite some time ago.

Regardless of genre, that's where all fanfic is supposed to go. Exceptions are sometimes made, but official exceptions are rare and require having the category disclaimer attached to the top of the story.

Fanfic appearing in other categories is probably as much a matter of Laurel not knowing the source material as anything else.

The Celeb and Fanfic category doesn't allow non-consent, so that's something you need to consider.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The Celebs category was renamed "Celebrities and Fan Fiction" quite some time ago.

Regardless of genre, that's where all fanfic is supposed to go.

The category description says "Parodies & erotic fan fiction about famous people". Is there some other guidance that says all fanfic is supposed to go there? Or can non-celeb fanfic that also qualifies for some other category go there instead, should the author prefer?

Exceptions are sometimes made, but official exceptions are rare and require having the category disclaimer attached to the top of the story.

Speaking of which - am I missing something, or has that disclaimer disappeared? I remember seeing it at the beginning of every story in that category when I looked a few years back, but when I check today it's not showing up.

 

[RejectReality]

Not in the FAQs or anything, but when we were doing the Virtual Reality chain, Laurel gave us permission put the stories in the Chain Stories category if we added the disclaimer from the Celebs category to the beginning of every story in the chain.

It's been discussed a few times since, and it's always come down that fanfic belongs in that category. It was further cemented by renaming the category to include the word Fanfic a while back.

 

[SFCTaleSpinner]

How firm is the requirement to post in that category, assuming the story would otherwise be a good fit in another section?

Some factors automatically take precedence when it comes to categorizing a story. For example, I believe that if a story involves incest, that automatically categorizes it as an incest story, regardless of whether or not it leans more towards another category.

In other words, if you plan to write a story about Ron Weasley's wild one night stand with Ginny, that story will end up in the incest board, even though it could equally be claimed to be a Fanfic or even a Sci-Fi/Fantasy story.

At least, that's my understanding of how the system works...

 

[RejectReality]

No, some of the categories are more or less immune from squick switching. Sci-Fi & Fantasy, Novels and Novellas, Non Human, Erotic Horror, Celebrities and Fanfic, and Chain Stories, off the top of my head.

Some factors automatically take precedence when it comes to categorizing a story. For example, I believe that if a story involves incest, that automatically categorizes it as an incest story, regardless of whether or not it leans more towards another category.

In other words, if you plan to write a story about Ron Weasley's wild one night stand with Ginny, that story will end up in the incest board, even though it could equally be claimed to be a Fanfic or even a Sci-Fi/Fantasy story.

At least, that's my understanding of how the system works...

 

[SFCTaleSpinner]

No, some of the categories are more or less immune from squick switching. Sci-Fi & Fantasy, Novels and Novellas, Non Human, Erotic Horror, Celebrities and Fanfic, and Chain Stories, off the top of my head.

My mistake.

 

[William_Wood]

The Celeb and Fanfic category doesn't allow non-consent, so that's something you need to consider.

Is this really true? I just posted a story today that I've worked hard on for many months, and my best understanding regarding category was that FanFic trumps everything else.

...But the sexual theme of my story is very much Nonconsent. Do I have to change something, or can I just trust an admin to re-categorise it as necessary?

Another random question. I'm not normally into FanFics, and I only just looked into their dedicated communities today (gosh!). On other sites, it is apparently customary to put a copyright disclaimer at the top, saying who owns the original work. Is that necessary or even recommended, on lit?

Better yet, is there some good links to where all these rules are? Imo people shouldn't state site rules without backing it up with a link. For example, I only know of the submission guidelines, that specify that underage and bestiality is not permitted.

 

[RejectReality]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=175666

We do not publish non-consent stories involving real-life people, groups/organizations, or copyrighted characters.

Self-explanatory. Literotica does not publish stories in which real people or copyright characters are involved in forced sexual situations.

Is this really true? I just posted a story today that I've worked hard on for many months, and my best understanding regarding category was that FanFic trumps everything else.

...But the sexual theme of my story is very much Nonconsent. Do I have to change something, or can I just trust an admin to re-categorise it as necessary?

Another random question. I'm not normally into FanFics, and I only just looked into their dedicated communities today (gosh!). On other sites, it is apparently customary to put a copyright disclaimer at the top, saying who owns the original work. Is that necessary or even recommended, on lit?

Better yet, is there some good links to where all these rules are? Imo people shouldn't state site rules without backing it up with a link. For example, I only know of the submission guidelines, that specify that underage and bestiality is not permitted.

 

[Hypoxia]

I tend to avoid unpunished unwilling sex, and I prefer to create my own characters rather than leech off others', with a couple exceptions that still don't include coercion. My BRIDE OF KONG is set in a universe where KING KONG and JURASSIC PARK are documentaries and a few of those players intrude, with minimal sex. THE BOTANISTS is a romance of two actual scientific superstars circa 1890, again with minimal sex.

I'm slowly cooking a tale of a real early Hollywood art director which will necessarily include depraved stars circa 1930. I may slightly rename them.

I have a hunch that celebs from before Laurel's lifetime will be fair game for sex fun. Incest in pre-WWI European royal families will probably be okay, and silent-era Hollywood orgies, circle jerks of USA founding fathers, steampunk sex toys in Edison's lab, and of course Buddha's debaucheries. Can't write of Mohammed because underage sex.

Has anyone seen a ruling from Laurel as to what comprises fanfic and celebrity? Is rewriting Genesis from the serpent's POV fanfic?

 

[UtherVierDragon]

Has anyone seen a ruling from Laurel as to what comprises fanfic and celebrity? Is rewriting Genesis from the serpent's POV fanfic?

Someone dig up Milton and ask him.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Is this really true? I just posted a story today that I've worked hard on for many months, and my best understanding regarding category was that FanFic trumps everything else.

...But the sexual theme of my story is very much Nonconsent. Do I have to change something, or can I just trust an admin to re-categorise it as necessary?

Wait and see. It could well get rejected if you're combining two contentious themes and the combination doesn't meet Laurel's criteria.

 

[William_Wood]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=175666

Oh no... I mean thank you, but... that screws me. I worked so hard on this one, and I might get stuck with posting on some other community where they are fanfic purists and probably won't like my bastardised version either.

I can understand that rule because characters are brought to life by real people in film/tv, but mine is an anime - no real person accept the voice actress - and it's an anime where sexual violence is already prominent in the source. I hope that can make a difference, otherwise...

I guess I could convert the story to my own work by changing names, places and all ideas that aren't my own. Actually quite feasible, but a massive amount of work and a bitter compromise. Or otherwise I could possible make it 'technically' no longer non-consent, ie "no, go away, stop it, no, no, stop, no... oh well go on then I guess". Honestly I could make that work too, but the 'feel' must remain non-consent, so what is the best option here?

I guess I'm being impatient now and should just wait for the admin's judgement. I'm pretty bummed because I was looking forward to some grand "on ya mate!" fast publishing - reward for the many times I proofed and polished this work - and now I learn that what I've written is categorically too offensive? :'(

 

[RejectReality]

If you categorized it as Celebrities and Fanfiction, Laurel is probably going to take you at your word, even if she doesn't recognize the source material. That means it's probably not moving. If it's non-con, that means it's probably not posting.

I doubt that it being in keeping with the source material with regards to sexual violence will help. What gets approved and doesn't with regards to sexual violence is quirky, and rejections after the fact due to reports from readers often happen.

But, that's in other categories. In Celeb&Fanfic, I doubt you have a snowball's chance in hell of it seeing the light of day. There's always a chance it will pass, and it's already in the queue so *shrug* Just be prepared for the possibility that even if it does get approved, someone could report it later and it could get taken down.

There's no penalty beyond the story not being published for submitting it. It's not like some places where they ban you for trying to submit something contrary to content rules. It will get sent back, and that's the end of it. No harm, no foul.

The story may simply not fit into Lit's box, and another venue may be necessary. Cultivating more than one is — in my opinion — wise anyway. The various rules and readerships give you homes for a wider variety of stories, so you don't stifle your creativity to fit within one site's boundaries.

Oh no... I mean thank you, but... that screws me. I worked so hard on this one, and I might get stuck with posting on some other community where they are fanfic purists and probably won't like my bastardised version either.

I can understand that rule because characters are brought to life by real people in film/tv, but mine is an anime - no real person accept the voice actress - and it's an anime where sexual violence is already prominent in the source. I hope that can make a difference, otherwise...

I guess I could convert the story to my own work by changing names, places and all ideas that aren't my own. Actually quite feasible, but a massive amount of work and a bitter compromise. Or otherwise I could possible make it 'technically' no longer non-consent, ie "no, go away, stop it, no, no, stop, no... oh well go on then I guess". Honestly I could make that work too, but the 'feel' must remain non-consent, so what is the best option here?

I guess I'm being impatient now and should just wait for the admin's judgement. I'm pretty bummed because I was looking forward to some grand "on ya mate!" fast publishing - reward for the many times I proofed and polished this work - and now I learn that what I've written is categorically too offensive? :'(

 

[William_Wood]

If you categorized it as Celebrities and Fanfiction, Laurel is probably going to take you at your word, even if she doesn't recognize the source material. That means it's probably not moving. If it's non-con, that means it's probably not posting.

I doubt that it being in keeping with the source material with regards to sexual violence will help. What gets approved and doesn't with regards to sexual violence is quirky, and rejections after the fact due to reports from readers often happen.

But, that's in other categories. In Celeb&Fanfic, I doubt you have a snowball's chance in hell of it seeing the light of day. There's always a chance it will pass, and it's already in the queue so *shrug* Just be prepared for the possibility that even if it does get approved, someone could report it later and it could get taken down.

There's no penalty beyond the story not being published for submitting it. It's not like some places where they ban you for trying to submit something contrary to content rules. It will get sent back, and that's the end of it. No harm, no foul.

The story may simply not fit into Lit's box, and another venue may be necessary. Cultivating more than one is — in my opinion — wise anyway. The various rules and readerships give you homes for a wider variety of stories, so you don't stifle your creativity to fit within one site's boundaries.

Thankyou for the kind reply. I'll expect the rejection and post the pure form elsewhere. I feel like Lit is my home though, so I'll try and work with her to see if it can be salvaged. If it could appear in some form in non-con category, I would also be widening my audience. Might be a blessing in disguise after all...

 

[William_Wood]

Gosh I've spent the last couple hours thinking about how I might remove the source material elements... way too hard, considering I could instead move on and put that same effort instead into one of my original unfinished works. I'm just going to have to publish this one elsewhere. I revised my comment to admin on my submission to be brutally honest, though I'm also wondering if there was any point doing anything other than recalling the whole thing.

It's just such a bitter pill to swallow, when you pour your heart into something. Tell myself it is my own fault, deep down I think I knew this wasn't quite the right fit for Lit. And I spent months on it regardless. I couldn't even find other 'Sword Art Online' stories here - why wasn't that a clue? A little too late my eyes are opened to the weird wide world of fan fiction - I see there are literally thousands of works out there for this one fandom. Honestly I should just be grateful that there is a strong reader base out there at all. Thankful, and stop ranting here. I'm emotional, forgive me. I'm going to push send anyway.

 

[RichardWark]

Actually, I only recently looked into the fan fiction category for amusement. You probably should do the same; it's all fairly loose - a fair amount of "Harry Potter gets laid" and some Marvel stuff, but there are a couple of gems there - a 40s Hollywood threesome and a "lost" chapter of Charles Sickens' "Bleak House," which has inspired me to look into great literature for sexy fiction (look out, Mrs. Causabon; Maggie Tulliver, your time has come, Polly Pepper, you are of legal age when the series ends). There's a bit to sort through, but some of it is fun. Read through it and you'll get an idea of what's acceptable.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Actually, I only recently looked into the fan fiction category for amusement. You probably should do the same; it's all fairly loose - a fair amount of "Harry Potter gets laid" and some Marvel stuff, but there are a couple of gems there - a 40s Hollywood threesome and a "lost" chapter of Charles Sickens' "Bleak House," which has inspired me to look into great literature for sexy fiction (look out, Mrs. Causabon; Maggie Tulliver, your time has come, Polly Pepper, you are of legal age when the series ends). There's a bit to sort through, but some of it is fun. Read through it and you'll get an idea of what's acceptable.

By my understanding, Harry Potter is specifically forbidden here, ditto Simpsons and Disney (narrowly interpreted). If you found HP stories here they probably pre-date that rule.

 

[William_Wood]

Ok, I just got my rejection notice.

We do not publish humiliation/hypnosis/blackmail/non-consent/mind control stories involving real-life people or copyrighted characters.

I want to draw attention to the wording here which lists a few themes *not* mentioned in the link a few posts back. I'm sharing this as a warning, to add some worthwhile contribution to this thread.

It sounds like anytime you use such a character, you need to be seriously treading on eggshells. Best to just find another outlet, but I gotta say: this information NEEDS to be accessible. What if I had compromised my story to take out the non-consent, only to have it fail because of a strong humiliation theme? That would have been the worst frustration.

At least as as it is, the story is exactly how I wanted it, and I'm happy. Thank you for your time.