Is Corona racist?

[dolf]

Ethnic minorities make up only 14% of the general population, here in the UK, but a third of critically ill patients.

Obviously there's going to be a poverty link, but looking at the medical staff who have died... At one point 6/6 dead doctors were Asian. Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. And you'd assume doctors aren't poverty stricken.

 

[Saint_Ann]

They're only Ethnic minorities at your house. Are lily white people dying in droves in China?

 

[dp4shelly]

Yes, all virus are racist.

The honest truth is that there is racism in everything and everywhere you look. Trees are racist. Bacteria. Insects and especially the current viral pandemic.

The entire universe is racist. People are all racist. It is all they can think about.

All the problems come from racial injustice. Dogs and Cats are raciest. Everywhere I look and every thing I see is racist. People that love people of all races are racist.

Quicksand is racist too. Please help stamp out quicksand and all other forms of racism.

 

[Saint_Ann]

The SJW's should invent a virus the only kills racists.

 

[bellisarius]

Virus are parasitic in nature. It would be unreasonable to think there wasn't a genetic predisposition.

 

[Tryharder62]

I think it is due to pre-existing conditions like diabetes, which seems to occur more in minorities.

 

[nowisthetime]

Maybe sexist, it's killing way more men, at twice the rate, quite a few white men around the ages of the GB Deplorables have died, too.
But seriously, men tend not to take good care of themselves as compared to women.

As for race, many people of color suffer from asthma, which can worsen the symptoms of the viral disease. Many people of color in Europe live in poverty, and that stress of poverty also affects one's health, weakening the immune system, thus, making one susceptible to succumbing to the virus.

The stress of racism and daily racial microaggressions also affects the overall health, making people more susceptible to illnesses. In addition, there is the issue of healthcare disparities regarding the treatment of people of color patients as compared to white patients in hospitals.

I know racism is a sexy topic on here.

 

[Wrong Element]

Ethnic minorities make up only 14% of the general population, here in the UK, but a third of critically ill patients.

Obviously there's going to be a poverty link, but looking at the medical staff who have died... At one point 6/6 dead doctors were Asian. Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. And you'd assume doctors aren't poverty stricken.

A poverty link, a "more likely to be in poor health to begin with" link (which is related to the poverty), and a lack of minorities in the kinds of white collar jobs that one can do from home during a pandemic.

But there's no reason to believe there's a link between one's race/ethnicity and their susceptibility to the virus. "Race" is meaningless, medically speaking.

 

[Conager]

It is not a poverty link it is a diet and lifestyle link. There is a genetic component as well. Just because you're genome dictates that you are more susceptible to, gir example, diabetes and high blood pressure does not alleviate you of the responsibility to being extra careful about your diet and lifestyle. You can certainly choose to have a poor diet and enfage in poor lifestyle decisions but the associated health risks are the direct result of those decisions that individuals make.

A bag of potatoes with their skins is cheaper than french fries or potato chips. Water is cheaper than soda. Cigarettes and alcohol are not cheap. They're is barely a link between poverty and pour eating habits other than the fact that people with poor eating habits tend to exacerbate their money issues by their poor and expensive lifestyle and diet choices. People with four eating habits have poor health they have more time off of work and have as a result more spotting employment records. All of these things are related but poverty which isn't an actual thing is not the route cause. Nobody is forced into poverty. You might be born into it, but getting out of it is a simple as spending less than you make.

Poverty itself is a lifestyle choice. Impoverished areas lay more in "sin" taxes and buy more lottery tickets. Casino revenue isn't coming from the wealthy.

 

[Conager]

A poverty link, a "more likely to be in poor health to begin with" link (which is related to the poverty), and a lack of minorities in the kinds of white collar jobs that one can do from home during a pandemic.

But there's no reason to believe there's a link between one's race/ethnicity and their susceptibility to the virus. "Race" is meaningless, medically speaking.

This is wrong. Diabetes and high blood pressure are rampant in both black and native populations. Yes diet is the root, and diet is a choice, but susceptibility to diabetes and high blood pressure ie definitely a heritable risk factor. I could get pre- liposuction and tummy-tuck RobbedDownSouth fat and still would be at low risk for high blood pressure and heart disease because there us zero history of that in my entire extended family. Diabetes is less discriminatory, it us largely a function of eyesight, but again, my body processes junk starch better than more at-risk populations.

Racial characteristics are far deeper than melanin production.

 

[dolf]

But there's no reason to believe there's a link between one's race/ethnicity and their susceptibility to the virus. "Race" is meaningless, medically speaking.

I disagree. There's enough difference to consider a genetic factor. Race isn't meaningless, medically speaking, for a great many issues.
You ever heard of a white person with sickle cell? On the same train, white people are less likely to have an ability to live with malaria.
We have no idea which traits an ethnic group may have which could increase or decrease their survival rates.

I agree that the biggest influence is going to be economic, or even cultural, but to deny the possibility of a genetic factor is foolhardy.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Among 3,506 White-Americans, 1,860 African-Americans, and 1,749 Mexican-Americans, the prevalence of airflow-limitation was 15.1% (13.9, 16.4), 12.4% (10.7, 14.0), and 8.2% (6.7, 9.8), and of restrictive-pattern was 5.6% (4.6, 6.5), 8.0% (6.9, 9.0), and 5.7% (4.5, 6.9), respectively. Airflow-limitation was associated with mortality in White-Americans, African-Americans, and Mexican-Americans — adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) 1.66 (1.23, 2.25), 1.60 (1.09, 2.36), and 1.80 (1.17, 2.76), respectively, but associated with respiratory symptoms only in White-Americans — adjusted odds ratio (aOR) 2.15 (1.70, 2.73). Restrictive-pattern was associated with mortality but only in White-Americans and African-Americans — aHR 2.56 (1.84, 3.55) and 3.23 (2.06, 5.05), and associated with respiratory symptoms but only in White-Americans and Mexican-Americans — aOR 2.16 (1.51, 3.07) and 2.12 (1.45, 3.08), respectively.

Conclusion

In an aging population, we found ethnic differences in GLI-defined respiratory impairment, including prevalence and associations with health outcomes. In particular, African-Americans present a unique public health challenge, with high rates of respiratory impairment being associated with mortality but not respiratory symptoms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925402/

 

[Botanical11B]

Obviously there's going to be a poverty link, but looking at the medical staff who have died... At one point 6/6 dead doctors were Asian. Pakistani, Bangladeshi, etc. And you'd assume doctors aren't poverty stricken.

Are you sure?

Biology is rather un-PC and anti-woke.

Some populations are more/less susceptible to certain infectious diseases for a number of reasons, most notably they had a disease wipe out everyone who didn't have some natural resistance or ability to fight off the disease.

Europeans with the bubonic plague for example. Are some of the least susceptible to it today, the obvious reason being the most susceptible individuals in the white population were pretty much all killed off in the not all that distant past.

Sub Saharan African, SE Asian and native Amazonian populations are more resistant to malaria infection, because they live in tropical hotbeds of malaria, those who can't fight it off? Die.

Smallpox and Europeans, yes sometimes they got it but NOTHING like what it did to native American populations. That shit wiped out entire populations in both S. and N. America, from healthy white carriers that never got sick with it.

Maybe asian populations are more susceptible to this particular virus, wouldn't be the first time an infection effected one demographic noticeably more than another for no other reason than you just not having the genetic background of ancestors who have fought off similar bugs.

Might have nothing to do with poverty.

 

[dolf]

Among 3,506 White-Americans, 1,860 African-Americans, and 1,749 Mexican-Americans, the prevalence of airflow-limitation was 15.1% (13.9, 16.4), 12.4% (10.7, 14.0), and 8.2% (6.7, 9.8), and of restrictive-pattern was 5.6% (4.6, 6.5), 8.0% (6.9, 9.0), and 5.7% (4.5, 6.9), respectively. Airflow-limitation was associated with mortality in White-Americans, African-Americans, and Mexican-Americans — adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) 1.66 (1.23, 2.25), 1.60 (1.09, 2.36), and 1.80 (1.17, 2.76), respectively, but associated with respiratory symptoms only in White-Americans — adjusted odds ratio (aOR) 2.15 (1.70, 2.73). Restrictive-pattern was associated with mortality but only in White-Americans and African-Americans — aHR 2.56 (1.84, 3.55) and 3.23 (2.06, 5.05), and associated with respiratory symptoms but only in White-Americans and Mexican-Americans — aOR 2.16 (1.51, 3.07) and 2.12 (1.45, 3.08), respectively.

Conclusion

In an aging population, we found ethnic differences in GLI-defined respiratory impairment, including prevalence and associations with health outcomes. In particular, African-Americans present a unique public health challenge, with high rates of respiratory impairment being associated with mortality but not respiratory symptoms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925402/

Fascinating, thanks!

Would it be fair to guess that you have a far smaller south Asian population, hence the lack of data listed? Here it's one of the larger ethnic minority populations, and (observationally, not backed up by data) they seem to be doing worse.
We don't really have a Mexican population.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Fascinating, thanks!

Would it be fair to guess that you have a far smaller south Asian population, hence the lack of data listed? Here it's one of the larger ethnic minority populations, and (observationally, not backed up by data) they seem to be doing worse.
We don't really have a Mexican population.

I'm struggling with the concept of ethnic minority on a global basis.

 

[Conager]

Fascinating, thanks!

Would it be fair to guess that you have a far smaller south Asian population, hence the lack of data listed? Here it's one of the larger ethnic minority populations, and (observationally, not backed up by data) they seem to be doing worse.
We don't really have a Mexican population.

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[Conager]

I'm struggling with the concept of ethnic minority on a global basis.

Try to figure out who is a ethnic minority in California, much closer to home.

 

[dolf]

Are you sure?

Biology is rather un-PC and anti-woke.

Some populations are more/less susceptible to certain infectious diseases for a number of reasons, most notably they had a disease wipe out everyone who didn't have some natural resistance or ability to fight off the disease.

Europeans with the bubonic plague for example. Are some of the least susceptible to it today, the obvious reason being the most susceptible individuals in the white population were pretty much all killed off in the not all that distant past.

Sub Saharan African, SE Asian and native Amazonian populations are more resistant to malaria infection, because they live in tropical hotbeds of malaria, those who can't fight it off? Die.

Smallpox and Europeans, yes sometimes they got it but NOTHING like what it did to native American populations. That shit wiped out entire populations in both S. and N. America, from healthy white carriers that never got sick with it.

Maybe asian populations are more susceptible to this particular virus, wouldn't be the first time an infection effected one demographic noticeably more than another for no other reason than you just not having the genetic background of ancestors who have fought off similar bugs.

Might have nothing to do with poverty.

In the uk, poverty is linked with increased rates of smoking and obesity, both of which are considered to impact on outcomes.
Add to that the difficulty isolating if you live in cramped housing blocks without cleaners, have to use public transport to access shops, the likelihood of being unable to work from home, etc.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Unless you are suggesting that people struggle to thrive away from their native lands.

 

[dolf]

I'm struggling with the concept of ethnic minority on a global basis.

I did specify "here in the uk".

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From my dining experiences over there, I'd say our restaurant industry would be improved by that particular flavour of diversity.

 

[Hugh_Essay]

Even virus' hate pakis.

 

[dolf]

And straight to ignore

 

[Conager]

I did specify "here in the uk".

From my dining experiences over there, I'd say our restaurant industry would be improved by that particular flavour of diversity.

*nods*

Tacos are not just for Tuesday.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I did specify "here in the uk".

From my dining experiences over there, I'd say our restaurant industry would be improved by that particular flavour of diversity.

Those same people you are referring to...wouldn't be minorities in their own countries. Getting sick in the UK makes CV racist but not if they get sick in their own country?

I'm missing the connection.

 

[dolf]

*nods*

Tacos are not just for Tuesday.

"Mexican food" here is cooked mostly out of packets, by people who have never tasted actual Mexican food.

Call me shallow, but i love diversity for what it does for my taste buds.

Those same people you are referring to...wouldn't be minorities in their own countries. Getting sick in the UK makes CV racist but not if they get sick in their own country?

I'm missing the connection.

Oh, right, yeah, that's called "tongue in cheek". Because half the threads on the gb these days are claiming someone is racist. Being English, my amusement at my own joke wasn't dependent on other people getting it, though I'm sure several did.