Is a story like this allowed here?

[Claire_RA]

I am not entirely sure whether this is the right place to ask. I'm still very new here and I find literotica sometimes hard to navigate, so in case this is the wrong sub board to ask this, please tell me where the right place for my question is.

I have written a short story that I would categorize as noncon, most of my writing is actually. I am aware that literotica has this rule that forbids stories with

"Ravishment/non-consent fantasies in which the “victim” receives no thrill or enjoyment from the acts"

And this is where it gets tricky with my story. In this story, the woman in question has been raped in the past and has consensual sex in the present that feels good for her. But she can no longer orgasm unless she allows herself to remember that rape. She then makes the active choice to remember that rape during the present consensual sex scene. The story than mirrors her current sex with her memories of her past rape. When she was abused in the past, she didn't enjoy it all, there was no arousal, nothing. But she recalls it on her own terms to orgasm in the present. So would this count as a story where the victim receives a "thrill" or "enjoyment" from the acts or not?

You might ask: why not just try publishing it? Well, I've published one story with ambiguous consent, Venus' Touch, so far which took 3 days to get approved. So that was fine. But another, much shorter and completely consensual story has now been in pending limbo for 9 days (since May 10). To publish the story I talked about here, I would actually have to redo some of the intricate formatting of the text. Originally, it uses red color to distinguish her memories from the present events and those memories start to merge with the present as the scene gets close to its climax. Since literotica doesn't allow coloring of text, I'd have to come up with a different solution to make this work here. I really don't want to do that if the story ends up in pending limbo for 10+ days again to only have it rejected at the end of it.

So if any of you guys can tell me from your experience whether you think this story will get approved or not, I would really appreciate your feedback.

 

[Rob_Royale]

I've waited four weeks to get published. There is just one person handling every submission here, so be patient. Yes, I think your story would be published. I'd use italics on the memories.

I had the same concerns on my non-con story.

 

[Claire_RA]

I've waited for weeks to get published. There is just one person handling every submission here, so be patient. Yes, I think your story would be published. I'd use italics on the memories.

I had the same concerns on my non-con story.

Thanks for getting back to me. Just one person? Wow... I had read somewhere that 2 to 5 days was common for stories to get approved, so I was a bit surprised, that's all.

 

[NuclearFairy]

Thanks for getting back to me. Just one person? Wow... I had read somewhere that 2 to 5 days was common for stories to get approved, so I was a bit surprised, that's all.

Yeah 2-5 days is normal but it can take up to 2 weeks if there are a lot of submissions being filed at the same time. Occasionally things fall through the cracks though in which case you'll need to either send Laurel a polite pm asking about your submission, or delete and resubmit.

Based on content alone, your story sounds like it should get through just fine though.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

There seem to be different priority queues, depending on factors like riskyness of the topic, your publication history, if you are part of a challenge etc. So being new and a tricky topic will probably take longer.

What Literotica probably wants to avoid is to attract readers who get off on stories that resemble actual rape scenarios. So ask yourself, would someone who is fantasising about actual rape be turned on by your story? If yes, I would guess the story is rejected.

 

[Claire_RA]

What Literotica probably wants to avoid is to attract readers who get off on stories that resemble actual rape scenarios. So ask yourself, would someone who is fantasising about actual rape be turned on by your story? If yes, I would guess the story is rejected.

That is such a difficult question. People get off on so many different things... In general, I don't want to shy away from the traumatic nature of rape when I write a rape scene. That is true here, too. So the noncon stories I write usually are supposed to feel arousing and uncomfortable at the same time. But I think I will just give it a try and see whether it gets through or not.

Thanks to everyone who commented! It's much appreciated!

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

I think, if it is done right, your story can be very strong. I see it as a person who is trapped in a trauma. She has the trauma, knows it is hurting her, but it takes hold of her in such a way, that it transforms her sexuality. The drama of such a situation is worth being told. To work for me it should not be voyeuristic but meaningful. I would want to learn how she deals with the situation, whether she understands it etc.

 

[AlinaX]

Don't try to be clever with formatting. It ends up as a distraction. Italics for large chunks can get difficult to read, and Lit often loses it anyway.

Write your story, use section breaks if necessary and, if useful, bold-formatted headings, and trust the reader to follow along.

 

[Husky_Embrace]

Personally I can see mostly one bad thing about it. You seem to describe the rape, even in parts, during the reconciliation. That means there is a sex scene in there where she receives no enjoyment.

You can get around this though. By only referencing she's been raped you can avoid actually describing the scene. For example earlier on you can state that "she has been raped and damaged," or during the sex only referencing that "she moved to her back, just like that night that damaged her."

So you can describe the sex scene of the rape, but only through her new experience where it's good. Though there is an asterisk. You're not at my mercy. You're at the discretion of the person reading it. Once more, even if she enjoys it now, it can be banned for in any way shape or form condoning or glorifying rape.

Like @Andreas_Kreuz is saying, I think it can be an incredibly strong story. Renewal, strength, survivorship. It has ingredients to be a banger. Such stories should be treasured in my opinion. Few stories are good without any opposition or struggle. That is why talking about such borderline things can elevate a story, if done right.

The days it is in line is completely random. I hear it is one person, or a group. Regardless, their voluntary service can make them choose stories they might like, and skip ones that they don't. I think our only position on that is to be grateful it happens at all, to wait patiently until it's okayed.

 

[AlinaX]

That means there is a sex scene in there where she receives no enjoyment.

I think that’s a worry over nothing. If there’s no enjoyment in the whole story, that’s potentially an issue.

The stories that hurt me as a reader are the ones that delight in the destruction of someone, uncaring of whether they experience any pleasure. That such stories get published here at all is an indication of how blurry the line is and how effectively it is policed.

 

[Claire_RA]

You can get around this though. By only referencing she's been raped you can avoid actually describing the scene. For example earlier on you can state that "she has been raped and damaged," or during the sex only referencing that "she moved to her back, just like that night that damaged her."

I get what you are saying, but the story is aleady written and published in other places. I had a clear vision for how I wanted to tell the story and I followed through on that. I would not alter a story I wanted to tell to make it fit the rules of any site, at least not in a significant way. Don't get me wrong though, I think literotica has every right to exclude certain content from their site. This is their brand and their community and if they say "This is not what we are about", then that's fair. I would just rather accept that I am in the wrong place with my story than trying to make it fit.

I think that’s a worry over nothing. If there’s no enjoyment in the whole story, that’s potentially an issue.

The stories that hurt me as a reader are the ones that delight in the destruction of someone, uncaring of whether they experience any pleasure. That such stories get published here at all is an indication of how blurry the line is and how effectively it is policed.

I can see that. I also don't like to glorify violence, at least that is not my intent. But I, personally, also have a problem with the rule that says the victim has to get enjoyment out of it. To me, that reads a little like "noncon stories are fine as long as you downplay the severity of the act" and I am not sure whether that does not end up doing more harm than good. But anyway, let's not get lost on tangents unrelated to the topic.


Thanks again to everyone who replied. I will try to submit the story later today and let you guys knows here in a few days whether it got accepted or not.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

But I, personally, also have a problem with the rule that says the victim has to get enjoyment out of it. To me, that reads a little like "noncon stories are fine as long as you downplay the severity of the act" and I am not sure whether that does not end up doing more harm than good.

A very good point.

 

[Claire_RA]

Okay, the story is submitted. It would be funny if it gets published before my completely consensual 3.000 word short story that's been pending for 11 days now.

I ultimately went with bold text to replace the red color. I tried underlined and strike-through as formatting options, too, but that simply didn't look right. I'm curious already how this one will be received here.

 

[Claire_RA]

Okay, that was quick. The story was rejected in less than 12 hours, sadly without any reason given other than a general reference to the noncon rules. If anybody is interested, you can find the story here:

It's okay, I feel a little lonely, too.

 

[Milo9012]

Okay, that was quick. The story was rejected in less than 12 hours, sadly without any reason given other than a general reference to the noncon rules.

The Lit guidelines are frustrating which is why I've hesitated submitting stories; wondering if it's worth the bother.

This is no reflection on the moderators or reviewers, just a criticism of the murky clarity of Literotica's rules.

 

[Claire_RA]

The Lit guidelines are frustrating which is why I've hesitated submitting stories; wondering if it's worth the bother.

This is no reflection on the moderators or reviewers, just a criticism of the murky clarity of Literotica's rules.

I would cut Literotica some slack here. The issue is that whenever you define a rule, edge cases will always arise that are tough to handle. And on a site as massive as Literotica, it is borderline impossible to moderate those edge cases consistently across hundreds if not thousands of admissions. Trust me, I recently had to write such rules myself and you won't believe what people come up with to circumvent for example a "no underage sex" rule, like: "The characters in my stories are 500 year old dragons, but when they take human form they look like they are 16 because dragons age slower than humans." So I feel for the moderator that rejected my story. I can almost hear them groan in frustration as they looked at my submission wishing I had submitted something that is easier to assess. And I also get erring on the side of caution, even if, as in this case, it gets rid of one of my stories that I think even people who usually don't read noncon might have gotten something out of.

That being said, I'm starting to wonder whether including a heads up note for the admin with my submission was a mistake. While my second completely consensual story has now been suspended in pending limbo for 12 days, my noncon story of similar length got rejected in less than 12 hours. That makes me think that the rejection was not based on an actual reading of my story but on the note I added. I might have shot myself in the foot with this one. :/

Overall, I'm not mad because the story got rejected. But I wish Literotica would have told me a bit more than just refer to a rule I already knew about but didn't know how to interpret. Also, I think seeing something like a queue that tells you how close your submitted story is to publication would be nice.

 

[Milo9012]

I would cut Literotica some slack here. The issue is that whenever you define a rule, edge cases will always arise that are tough to handle. And on a site as massive as Literotica, it is borderline impossible to moderate those edge cases consistently across hundreds if not thousands of admissions. Trust me, I recently had to write such rules myself and you won't believe what people come up with to circumvent for example a "no underage sex" rule, like: "The characters in my stories are 500 year old dragons, but when they take human form they look like they are 16 because dragons age slower than humans." So I feel for the moderator that rejected my story. I can almost hear them groan in frustration as they looked at my submission wishing I had submitted something that is easier to assess. And I also get erring on the side of caution, even if, as in this case, it gets rid of one of my stories that I think even people who usually don't read noncon might have gotten something out of.

That being said, I'm starting to wonder whether including a heads up note for the admin with my submission was a mistake. While my second completely consensual story has now been suspended in pending limbo for 12 days, my noncon story of similar length got rejected in less than 12 hours. That makes me think that the rejection was not based on an actual reading of my story but on the note I added. I might have shot myself in the foot with this one. :/

Overall, I'm not mad because the story got rejected. But I wish Literotica would have told me a bit more than just refer to a rule I already knew about but didn't know how to interpret. Also, I think seeing something like a queue that tells you how close your submitted story is to publication would be nice.

You're absolutely right, rules can't cover every submission some authors try to circumvent and the story reviewers have a huge job on their hands and erring on the cautious side is understandable.

What's headscratching is approved stories that read as having hurtled the guidelines, so maybe there are different views and opinions about the guidelines among the reviewers.

That said, it's best to respect their decisions and try to work within the rules as they interpret them.

 

[NuclearFairy]

You've also gotta remember that when they're reviewing for submission, they skim the story instead of outright reading it, so sometimes something that completely breaks the rules does get through. That's what the report button on a story is for. Also some have speculated that it gets run through an ai first and some false rejections therefore might be happening.

 

[AlinaX]

That being said, I'm starting to wonder whether including a heads up note for the admin with my submission was a mistake. While my second completely consensual story has now been suspended in pending limbo for 12 days, my noncon story of similar length got rejected in less than 12 hours. That makes me think that the rejection was not based on an actual reading of my story but on the note I added. I might have shot myself in the foot with this one. :/

I submitted a short story here a few months ago. It was a very twisted idea that *technically* wasn't underage but could actually be seen that way. I didn't like how I felt about that, but decided to go ahead, but added a note to the editor.

It was rejected quickly. And really it should have been anyway. I guess it's better to be rejected quickly than to wait days and then be rejected.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

@Claire_RA I have read your story under the link you provided. I can understand that Lit refused this story. Your subplot is a scenario, where the MC is raped in order to break her and and use her as a prostitute. And she gets broken and works as a prostitute and relieves that rape with her client, which further emphasizes the brutality of the original rape.

 

[Claire_RA]

@Claire_RA I have read your story under the link you provided. I can understand that Lit refused this story. Your subplot is a scenario, where the MC is raped in order to break her and and use her as a prostitute. And she gets broken and works as a prostitute and relieves that rape with her client, which further emphasizes the brutality of the original rape.

I get it, too. That is why I asked in the first place. But I also know about gang rape stories getting published here that get through by adding a few moans and some arousal for the victim. And I thought if those make it, then maybe my story has a chance, too.

 

[Claire_RA]

This might be slightly off-topic but I had people reach out to me via PM talking about how they found it interesting to know that apparently only one person is responsible for going through the stories here. So @Rob_Royale, thanks again for sharing that information. It seems like I was not the only one unaware of that and who appreciated your comment. And after 14 days, it seems like my story Sweet, Sweet Mess was finally accepted and will be published tomorrow if I read that status change in my profile correctly. That is another nice thing to know I wish was communicated more clearly: You can see whether your story was accepted before it actually shows up on the new stories page.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

I am not sure if it is really only Laurel who passes stories. Just looking at the volume of stories I consider it unlikely.

 

[Rob_Royale]

This might be slightly off-topic but I had people reach out to me via PM talking about how they found it interesting to know that apparently only one person is responsible for going through the stories here. So @Rob_Royale, thanks again for sharing that information. It seems like I was not the only one unaware of that and who appreciated your comment. And after 14 days, it seems like my story Sweet, Sweet Mess was finally accepted and will be published tomorrow if I read that status change in my profile correctly. That is another nice thing to know I wish was communicated more clearly: You can see whether your story was accepted before it actually shows up on the new stories page.

Your welcome and congrats.