Iraqis strike out at the people complicating their lives....

[HeavyStick]

except it's not against the Coalition. It's against the insurgents.

Iraqis fighting back

Baghdad shopkeepers and residents traded gunfire with masked insurgents, killing three of them along a main thoroughfare.

The quickest way to get the Coalition out of Iraq is to get the insurgents out.

 

[marshalt]

except it's not against the Coalition. It's against the insurgents.

Iraqis fighting back



The quickest way to get the Coalition out of Iraq is to get the insurgents out.

'bout time. They need some inspirational people, like that guy who said "I regret that I only have one life to give for my country." that's the shit they need.

 

[Ishmael]

This needs to be bumped. Another incident occured today where the Iraqi civilians attacked the insurgents.

I remember the press reports talking about how stupid it was to leave the Iraqis with their AK-47's. Just goes to show the power of an armed citizenry and how an empowered people will fight those that want to re-inslave them.

The New York Times is going to HATE this trend.

Ishmael

 

[p_p_man]

I can't see how anyone can get any pleasure from this...

Unless they're as shortsighted or as dumb as George W Bush.

I don't see brave Iraqi citizens fighting back at the insurgents who are wrecking their lives...

All I see is the first steps towards civil war.

So, where's all the security that was meant to be on the ground? Why are streets gun battles being allowed to take place?

No-where around I guess. The Americans are in the Green Zone ticking off the days and the Iraqi security are nothing like being up to speed.

Two groups of Iraqis fighting each other is just another indication of the failure that is Iraq.

ppman

 

[Ishmael]

Unless they're as shortsighted or as dumb as George W Bush.

I don't see brave Iraqi citizens fighting back at the insurgents who are wrecking their lives...

All I see is the first steps towards civil war.

So, where's all the security that was meant to be on the ground? Why are streets gun battles being allowed to take place?

No-where around I guess. The Americans are in the Green Zone ticking off the days and the Iraqi security are nothing like being up to speed.

Two groups of Iraqis fighting each other is just another indication of the failure that is Iraq.

ppman

Yup pp, that's the ticket. Disarm those primitive 'wogs' and take up 'the white mans burden.' How utterly English old chap.

Ishmael

PS, now that you're disarmed does that make you 'wogs' too? Must be true. You heathen Brits just can't be trusted by your government anymore.

 

[p_p_man]

Yup pp, that's the ticket. Disarm those primitive 'wogs' and take up 'the white mans burden.' How utterly English old chap.

Ishmael

It worked for us, but then you Yanks are always ready to make mistakes...

"America is always keen to do the right thing - once everything else has failed"



ppman

 

[Ishmael]

It worked for us, but then you Yanks are always ready to make mistakes...

"America is always keen to do the right thing - once everything else has failed"



ppman

We do it on purpose. No one ever learned from success. Look at you guys. Took you two fucking wars to figure out you don't do calvary charges into cannon and machine gun.

Ishmael

 

[zipman]

except it's not against the Coalition. It's against the insurgents.

Iraqis fighting back

The quickest way to get the Coalition out of Iraq is to get the insurgents out.

Thanks for posting this. I missed it and agree it is good news.

 

[p_p_man]

We do it on purpose. No one ever learned from success. Look at you guys. Took you two fucking wars to figure out you don't do calvary charges into cannon and machine gun.

Ishmael

We had to wait for the hawks of their day to die off before we could modernise.

A bit like your hawks today...

Whilst they're there at the top America will always be trapped in the teachings of West Point.

ppman

 

[RobDownSouth]

except it's not against the Coalition. It's against the insurgents.

Not against the Coalition? How about this?

There's particular relevance to this story...this isn't onesy-twosy suicide bombers and martyr wannabees attacking Coalition patrols. This is platoon strength assaults by the insurgents. "Forty to fifty" insurgents attacking military convoys. The insurgents got pasted, to be sure. 50% casualties. They even videotaped their assaults and we saw it on NBC news tonight.

They're getting bolder in their attacks against Americans.

A while back, one of Lit's foremost wingnut philosophers (I think it was either Devilish Texan or Ham Murabi, I'm not sure) smugly declared that it wasn't necessary for Iraqis to respect the U.S. .... as long as they feared the U.S.

It would seem the insurgents don't fear the United States now, either.

 

[p_p_man]

Not against the Coalition? How about this?

There's particular relevance to this story...this isn't onesy-twosy suicide bombers and martyr wannabees attacking Coalition patrols. This is platoon strength assaults by the insurgents. "Forty to fifty" insurgents attacking military convoys. The insurgents got pasted, to be sure. 50% casualties. They even videotaped their assaults and we saw it on NBC news tonight.

They're getting bolder in their attacks against Americans.

A while back, one of Lit's foremost wingnut philosophers (I think it was either Devilish Texan or Ham Murabi, I'm not sure) smugly declared that it wasn't necessary for Iraqis to respect the U.S. .... as long as they feared the U.S.

It would seem the insurgents don't fear the United States now, either.

That figure of 200,000 insurgents is looking more realistic every day...

"Iraq Battling More Than 200,000 Insurgents: Intelligence Chief
Agence France-Presse

Monday 03 January 2005

Baghdad - Iraq's insurgency counts more than 200,000 active fighters and sympathisers, the country's national intelligence chief told AFP, in the bleakest assessment to date of the armed revolt waged by Sunni Muslims.

"I think the resistance is bigger than the US military in Iraq. I think the resistance is more than 200,000 people," Iraqi intelligence service director General Mohamed Abdullah Shahwani said in an interview ahead of the January 30 elections.

Shahwani said the number includes at least 40,000 hardcore fighters but rises to more than 200,000 members counting part-time fighters and volunteers who provide rebels everything from intelligence and logistics to shelter."

truth out
Times on Line

ppman

 

[Ishmael]

That figure of 200,000 insurgents is looking more realistic every day...

"Iraq Battling More Than 200,000 Insurgents: Intelligence Chief
Agence France-Presse

Monday 03 January 2005

Baghdad - Iraq's insurgency counts more than 200,000 active fighters and sympathisers, the country's national intelligence chief told AFP, in the bleakest assessment to date of the armed revolt waged by Sunni Muslims.

"I think the resistance is bigger than the US military in Iraq. I think the resistance is more than 200,000 people," Iraqi intelligence service director General Mohamed Abdullah Shahwani said in an interview ahead of the January 30 elections.

Shahwani said the number includes at least 40,000 hardcore fighters but rises to more than 200,000 members counting part-time fighters and volunteers who provide rebels everything from intelligence and logistics to shelter."

truth out
Times on Line

ppman

Doh!!!! Where's the suprise pp?

What have I been saying for years now? 1% of the population. The 200K is a little less than 1%. Further, that number includes the sympathizers as well as the 'doers'. And the 'doers' are generally less than 5% of any particular group. (1% is the number usually bandied about.) It's one of those rules. And that gets us down to 10K or less 'doers'. Tada.

Go goggle up another pp.

Ishmael

 

[p_p_man]

Doh!!!! Where's the suprise pp?

What have I been saying for years now? 1% of the population. The 200K is a little less than 1%. Further, that number includes the sympathizers as well as the 'doers'. And the 'doers' are generally less than 5% of any particular group. (1% is the number usually bandied about.) It's one of those rules. And that gets us down to 10K or less 'doers'. Tada.

Go goggle up another pp.

Ishmael

Put's your little band of loyalist shopkeepers into perspective though, doesn't it?

ppman

 

[Elmer Keith]

Put's your little band of loyalist shopkeepers into perspective though, doesn't it?

ppman

"hic"

 

[thegirlfriday11]

except it's not against the Coalition. It's against the insurgents.

Iraqis fighting back



The quickest way to get the Coalition out of Iraq is to get the insurgents out.

i've been watching the actions of the iraqi's lately

they have been pissed since the the funeral was targeted and have been demonstrating and protesting against the insurgents...which is a good thing...they're standing up for themselves more and more

 

[HeavyStick]

blah fucking blah.... blah fucking (I'm a boring cunt) blah blah blah

Well said RDS.

No matter what link you spew, this thread is about the Iraqis standing up against the insurgents. Yes Americans were killed. But the backbone of the Iraqi Society is tired of getting bent over by the other invaders (insurgents) and are striking back.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well said RDS.

No matter what link you spew, this thread is about the Iraqis standing up against the insurgents. Yes Americans were killed. But the backbone of the Iraqi Society is tired of getting bent over by the other invaders (insurgents) and are striking back.

*chuckle*

Feel free to indulge your illusion. Just be careful if and when you finally do end up over there, there are lots of people getting hurt...maybe there just slipping and falling from all those danged rose petals the Iraqis insist on throwing in the path of Americans, right?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

That figure of 200,000 insurgents is looking more realistic every day...

"Iraq Battling More Than 200,000 Insurgents: Intelligence Chief
Agence France-Presse

Monday 03 January 2005

Baghdad - Iraq's insurgency counts more than 200,000 active fighters and sympathisers, the country's national intelligence chief told AFP, in the bleakest assessment to date of the armed revolt waged by Sunni Muslims.

"I think the resistance is bigger than the US military in Iraq. I think the resistance is more than 200,000 people," Iraqi intelligence service director General Mohamed Abdullah Shahwani said in an interview ahead of the January 30 elections.

Shahwani said the number includes at least 40,000 hardcore fighters but rises to more than 200,000 members counting part-time fighters and volunteers who provide rebels everything from intelligence and logistics to shelter."

truth out
Times on Line

ppman

200,000 insurgents...sure, it looks like a lot at first, but think about it...8 million iraqi's voted...i'd be willing to bet at least 2 million of them would be able-bodied soldiers ....and 2 million pissed off iraqi's plus the US and coalition forces determined to fight for their rights and their country...makes me think 200,000 insurgents isn't such a large number after all

 

[p_p_man]

But the backbone of the Iraqi Society is tired of getting bent over by the other invaders (insurgents) and are striking back.

I think you'll find that as far as estmates can go it's reckoned that those other invaders compromise about 3-4% of the total force. This is an Iraqi against occupation movement.

Despite what Bush wants you to hear...

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

makes me think 200,000 insurgents isn't such a large number after all

It's more than the Americans have got out there...

ppman

 

[thegirlfriday11]

It's more than the Americans have got out there...

ppman

add in the iraqi soldiers, the coalition forces, and the pissed off citizens...and it's more than the insurgents

 

[mercy's_grace]

Unfortunately, it's not that kind of fight. A guerilla insurgency doesn't need to be big. They just have to have the means to kill people.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Unfortunately, it's not that kind of fight. A guerilla insurgency doesn't need to be big. They just have to have the means to kill people.

true, but i think the coalition forces have the means to kill them too

 

[p_p_man]

add in the iraqi soldiers, the coalition forces, and the pissed off citizens...and it's more than the insurgents

And how much does that total?

ppman

 

[mercy's_grace]

true, but i think the coalition forces have the means to kill them too

I never doubted that. The question is whether winning is going to be worth it. And that is something that we won't know for some time.