Iraqi man regrets toppling statue of Saddam Hussein

[someoneyouknow]

In one of the more iconic images of the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, a man used a sledgehammer to batter the plinth of the statue of Saddam Hussein in an effort to bring it down. Kadhim Sharif Hassan Al-Jabbouri, a man who used to repair Saddam's motorcycles until 14 members of his family were killed by Saddam, who then put him in jail for two years for his refusal to continue his work, states he regrets the removal of Saddam for now there are thousands of Saddam's.

If he were to meet Tony Blair he would say, "I would say to him you are a criminal, and I'd spit in his face."

To George Bush:

"I'd say you're criminal too. You killed the children of Iraq. You killed the women and you killed the innocent. I would say the same to Blair. And to the coalition that invaded Iraq. I will say to them you are criminals and you should be brought to justice."

Since the invasion there has not been a proper day of peace in Iraq.

The short interview:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-36712233

The longer story:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36706265

 

[kimber22]

In one of the more iconic images of the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, a man used a sledgehammer to batter the plinth of the statue of Saddam Hussein in an effort to bring it down. Kadhim Sharif Hassan Al-Jabbouri, a man who used to repair Saddam's motorcycles until 14 members of his family were killed by Saddam, who then put him in jail for two years for his refusal to continue his work, states he regrets the removal of Saddam for now there are thousands of Saddam's.

Yeah, that's a good point. Only topple a dictator if you have something better to offer to the people...

The main problem in Iraq was (and still is), the disbanding of Saddam's whole army. That created hundreds of thousands of jobless soldiers. And guess who the hate now? The US - the US government's envoy who decreed that 100.000+ Iraqi soldiers who lost their jobs in a second...

I'm not even sure whether the white American Gun-Lovers would appreciate it if Trump kicked out 100.000 US-soldiers, like: "Go, tend sheep! 10 years you've been in the army? Good! Now, go, tend sheep! The future of this country doesn't need you anymore..." http://time.com/3900753/isis-iraq-syria-army-united-states-military/
That's how the US behaved in Iraq.

You must always see the big picture.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Whatever else you might believe, everyone knows most of the Iraqi deaths were at the hands of other Iraqis.

 

[underguy1]

The US and its lackies have clearly committed genocide in Iraq. It started long before 2003.

It's what the west is good at.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The US and its lackies have clearly committed genocide in Iraq. It started long before 2003.

It's what the west is good at.

So, when did it start?

 

[kimber22]

So, when did it start?

@underguy1
I'd also like to know about that genocide that started long before 2003...

 

[underguy1]

Millions of Iraqis have died since at least the so called First Gulf War and the functionality of the nation state has been destroyed.

This is a genocide by definition.

Why this is difficult for some to understand I don't quite get.

That's what western society specialises in. Killing lots of poor black and brown people in their own lands and stealing their resources.

That's what we do. That's capitalism.

 

[kimber22]

Millions of Iraqis have died since at least the so called First Gulf War and the functionality of the nation state has been destroyed.

This is a genocide by definition.

Why this is difficult for some to understand I don't quite get.

That's what western society specialises in. Killing lots of poor black and brown people in their own lands and stealing their resources.

That's what we do. That's capitalism.

?? now that really IS interesting... I must have been completly unaware of the millions of Iraqis who have been killed over the last years...

Btw, the guys you're talking about are Arabs. They are neither "black" nor "brown" - they are Arab people, and they understand themselves as such. There's a difference between black people and Arab people, you know?

Viele Grüße,
kimber, the Austrian

 

[MichaelinChina]

?? now that really IS interesting... I must have been completly unaware of the millions of Iraqis who have been killed over the last years...

Btw, the guys you're talking about are Arabs. They are neither "black" nor "brown" - they are Arab people, and they understand themselves as such. There's a difference between black people and Arab people, you know?

Viele Grüße,
kimber, the Austrian

You seriously don't expect an American to realise there's a difference do you?

 

[kimber22]

You seriously don't expect an American to realise there's a difference do you?

Unfortunately, you are right: No, I don't.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Unfortunately, you are right: No, I don't.

Which is scary when they lump peaceable Muslims in their communities with radical ones. That's evident in countries other than the US by the way. It's that fear of the 'other'.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Millions of Iraqis have died since at least the so called First Gulf War and the functionality of the nation state has been destroyed.

This is a genocide by definition.

Why this is difficult for some to understand I don't quite get.

That's what western society specialises in. Killing lots of poor black and brown people in their own lands and stealing their resources.

That's what we do. That's capitalism.

In the First Gulf War, Iraq invaded and occupied Kuwait, and the US came to the aid of the Kuwaitis. I would certainly not describe expelling an aggressor as genocide.

ETA: Here are some details on that conflict: https://www.britannica.com/event/Persian-Gulf-War

 

[geronimo_appleby]

american invasion?

i was there. i'm not american.

 

[L0GIC]

I was too young to understand the differences of the middle eastern countries during the Iraq war. I will say this, though. I love it how so many people are jumping on the bandwagon that going into Iraq was a horrible idea. I mean, hindsight is 20/20. Let's be real, though... Bush was elected twice. You weren't really setting yourself up for good decision making when voting... Oh wait, Hilary and Trump are the two options now?

....yeah, you're fucked.

 

[bi_9491]

In one of the more iconic images of the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, a man used a sledgehammer to batter the plinth of the statue of Saddam Hussein in an effort to bring it down. Kadhim Sharif Hassan Al-Jabbouri, a man who used to repair Saddam's motorcycles until 14 members of his family were killed by Saddam, who then put him in jail for two years for his refusal to continue his work, states he regrets the removal of Saddam for now there are thousands of Saddam's.

If he were to meet Tony Blair he would say, "I would say to him you are a criminal, and I'd spit in his face."

To George Bush:

"I'd say you're criminal too. You killed the children of Iraq. You killed the women and you killed the innocent. I would say the same to Blair. And to the coalition that invaded Iraq. I will say to them you are criminals and you should be brought to justice."

Since the invasion there has not been a proper day of peace in Iraq.

The short interview:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-36712233

The longer story:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36706265

So are we obligated to give a shit what this half-wit says or 'thinks'?

 

[bi_9491]

Millions of Iraqis have died since at least the so called First Gulf War and the functionality of the nation state has been destroyed.

This is a genocide by definition.

Why this is difficult for some to understand I don't quite get.

That's what western society specialises in. Killing lots of poor black and brown people in their own lands and stealing their resources.

That's what we do. That's capitalism.

Pooooor little undergay.... It sounds like it's time for you to get that helium tank between your ears refilled. Your 'definition' of 'capitalism' is so fucked up that Webster doesn't have a word that defines YOU..... Hilarious.

 

[bi_9491]

american invasion?

i was there. i'm not american.

And for that we Americans are grateful......

 

[geronimo_appleby]

And for that we Americans are grateful......

i thank you. i got a wicked sun tan.

 

[sr71plt]

I was too young to understand the differences of the middle eastern countries during the Iraq war. I will say this, though. I love it how so many people are jumping on the bandwagon that going into Iraq was a horrible idea. I mean, hindsight is 20/20. Let's be real, though... Bush was elected twice. You weren't really setting yourself up for good decision making when voting... Oh wait, Hilary and Trump are the two options now?

....yeah, you're fucked.

There were a lot of people both inside and outside the government who objected to the second go at it at the time--as being stupid and attacking the wrong country for the justification offered. The first time, it was done with methodical reasoning and within the scope of coalition support and with limited objectives (and toppling Saddam Hussein wasn't a goal--everyone we saw from him on down in Iraq was just a carbon copy of him). Saving the poor, poor Kuwaitis wasn't the sole justification the first time, by the way. The Kuwaitis asked for what they got.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There were a lot of people both inside and outside the government who objected to the second go at it at the time--as being stupid and attacking the wrong country for the justification offered. The first time, it was done with methodical reasoning and within the scope of coalition support and with limited objectives (and toppling Saddam Hussein wasn't a goal--everyone we saw from him on down in Iraq was just a carbon copy of him). Saving the poor, poor Kuwaitis wasn't the sole justification the first time, by the way. The Kuwaitis asked for what they got.

Are you saying he Kuwaitis asked to be invaded and conquered?

 

[sr71plt]

Are you saying he Kuwaitis asked to be invaded and conquered?

I say that they screwed everyone in the region on finances and that, if the United States hadn't stepped in on the "save a nation" basis (we were pissed at them on their financial antics too), the rest of the region would have been happy to see them go under, with the land divided between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. We're not talking about historical divides or logical territory boundaries in that area of the world. It was all done by the British on maps, using green grease pencils, with the goal of dividing, not unifying. Iraq had a good case against the Kuwaitis, who were just showing Iraq the finger and hiding behind Washington's skirts.

 

[underguy1]

?? now that really IS interesting... I must have been completly unaware of the millions of Iraqis who have been killed over the last years...

Btw, the guys you're talking about are Arabs. They are neither "black" nor "brown" - they are Arab people, and they understand themselves as such. There's a difference between black people and Arab people, you know?

Viele Grüße,
kimber, the Austrian

Clearly.

 

[underguy1]

In the First Gulf War, Iraq invaded and occupied Kuwait, and the US came to the aid of the Kuwaitis. I would certainly not describe expelling an aggressor as genocide.

ETA: Here are some details on that conflict: https://www.britannica.com/event/Persian-Gulf-War

Sigh. The Gulf War was manufactured on a bunch of lies. Saddam was a US client at the time.

It was all a pretext to destroy Iraq as a functioning nation state. And it did that.

Millions of Iraqis died in the 1990s from the inhuman sanctions regime imposed illegally by the US and UK.

That sanctions regime and the continuous bombing of Iraq by the US/UK was designed to cause mass murder by disease and poverty.

 

[underguy1]

Are you saying he Kuwaitis asked to be invaded and conquered?

Who gives a flying fuck about the Al Sabbah regime in Kuwait?

It's a dictatorial monarchy.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Sigh. The Gulf War was manufactured on a bunch of lies. Saddam was a US client at the time.

It was all a pretext to destroy Iraq as a functioning nation state. And it did that.

Millions of Iraqis died in the 1990s from the inhuman sanctions regime imposed illegally by the US and UK.

That sanctions regime and the continuous bombing of Iraq by the US/UK was designed to cause mass murder by disease and poverty.

What "inhuman sanctions" were those? There was no bombing between the end of the First Gulf War and 2003. Do you have any proof that "millions died" in the 1990's?

The gov. of Kuwait was a dictatorial monarchy, but no more of a dictatorship than Iraq. For one thing, they didn't use poison gas on their citizens the way Sadddam did.