Iran and the coming Pogroms...

[4est_4est_Gump]

“Any time young people approach me in order to get married, I ask them various questions about their future. Eighty percent of them say they do not envision any future in France.” This is what one rabbi in Paris told me last week. I heard similar statements from other French rabbis and lay Jewish leaders: “We have a feeling the words are on the wall now,” one leader in the Lyons area confided to me. “It is not just our situation in this country deteriorating; it is also that the process is much quicker than expected.”

Even the chief rabbi of France, Gilles Bernheim, may be sharing that view now. A philosopher (holding a prestigious French agrégation degree in philosophy), a graduate of the French Rabbinical School in Paris, and a former student at some of the most orthodox yeshivoth (Talmudic academies) in Jerusalem, Bernheim was until recently very eager to reconcile traditional Judaism with Europe’s “open society.” He has just devoted a book to France as a nation and how Jews can contribute to France’s public debates (N’oublions Pas De Penser La France), and in 2008, the year he was elected chief rabbi, he coauthored a book on Judeo-Christian dialogue (Le Rabbin et le Cardinal) with Cardinal Philippe Barbarin.

Despite all that, Bernheim suddenly warned Jewish leaders a few weeks ago about a growing “rejection” of Jews and Judaism in France, something he linked to the global passing of “Judeo-Christian values” in French society as a whole.

The immediate reason for Jewish pessimism in France and for Bernheim’s change of heart may be the Toulouse massacre last March: the murder in cold blood of three Jewish children and a Jewish teacher by Mohamed Merah, a Muslim terrorist, on their school’s premises. This crime, instead of instilling more compassion and understanding towards the Jewish community, has actually generated more anti-Jewish violence and hate talk, as if Merah was not seen as a vile thug but rather as a model by parts of the population.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-future-in-france-dire-times-for-french-jews/?singlepage=true

Iran is getting closer and closer to the bomb and telling us that they are going to massacre the Jews...

And what do we do? We fight for the right to build super-Mosques in places with scant Muslim population.

Build it, and they will come.

Meanwhile, in Egypt, the child of the NAZI movement, the Muslim Brotherhood has just wrested power away from the military and is stepping up attacks on Israel which the Western Press refuses to report on because The Who closing the Olympics is such a terribly important story to our "culture."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The connection between Muslim immigration — or Muslim-influenced Third World immigration — and the rise of a new anti-Semitism is a fact all over Europe. Muslims come from countries (or are culturally attuned to countries) where unreconstructed, Nazi-style Jew-bashing dominates. They are impervious to the ethical debate about the Holocaust and the rejection of anti-Jewish stereotypes that were gradually incorporated into the European political discourse and consciousness in the second half of the 20th century (to the point that lessons on the Holocaust are frequently dropped from the curriculum at schools with a plurality or a majority of Muslim pupils), and are more likely than non-Muslims to engage in assaults, attacks, or harassment practices directed at Jews. Moreover, Muslim anti-Semitism reactivates in many places a dormant, but by no means extinct, non-Muslim European anti-Semitism. Once Muslims are unopposed, or at least unprosecuted, when they challenge the historical veracity of the Holocaust or when they refer to the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an authentic document, a growing number of non-Muslims feel free to do the same.

Muslim immigration is nurturing European anti-Semitism in more surprising ways as well. One unintended and ironic consequence of European Islam’s demographic growth is that Jews are frequently amalgamated with Muslims. Many people use a widespread concern about a growing influence of Islam in Europe as a way to hurt Jews as well, or to hit them first.

Michel Gurfinkiel

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

*raises hand*.......What is a 'Pogrom'?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*raises hand*.......What is a 'Pogrom'?

"A pogrom (Russian: погро́м) was a violent riot against Jews, condoned by law enforcement, in the 19th- and early 20th- century..."

The prelude to every single Crusade began with a pogrom against the Jews (and any splinter Christian groups).

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

*still waiting for an answer to the first intelligent question*

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*still waiting for an answer to the first intelligent question*

You are not very patient...

Hitler used them too.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

"A pogrom (Russian: погро́м) was a violent riot against Jews, condoned by law enforcement, in the 19th- and early 20th- century..."

The prelude to every single Crusade began with a pogrom against the Jews (and any splinter Christian groups).

*still waiting for an answer to the first intelligent question*

Oh.... Something tells me this is not a good day to be a smartass.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh.... Something tells me this is not a good day to be smartass.

There's ever a good day for something like that?

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

There's ever a good day for something like that?

Sorry. My sense of humor woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It is not a subject to be taken lightly.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Sorry. My sense of humor woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It is not a subject to be taken lightly.

Oh, we're all equally guilty of the same thing from time-to-time.



It's not like it's going to turn into a grudge or any thing...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

*raises hand*.......What is a 'Pogrom'?

Its like THE BRADY BUNCH with an antisemitic theme; that is, Mike and Carol enroll the kids in the Hitler Youth.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Oh, we're all equally guilty of the same thing from time-to-time.



It's not like it's going to turn into a grudge or any thing...

Carry on then.

My knowledge of this stops somewhere around WWII. Apparently, I have some research to do.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"The second half of the 20th century was a golden age for French Jews, both in terms of numbers (from 250,000 souls in 1945 to 700,000 in 1970 due to population transfers and natural growth) and in terms of religious and cultural revival. There was only one shadow: the French government’s anti-Israel switch engineered by Charles de Gaulle in 1966, in part as a consequence of a more global anti-American switch. The 21st century may however be a much darker age. After a first wave of anti-Jewish violence in the early 2000s, some Jews left for Israel or North America. Emigration never really ceased since then, and may soon reach much more important proportions."



Think "Hymie-town..."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Its like THE BRADY BUNCH with an antisemitic theme; that is, Mike and Carol enroll the kids in the Hitler Youth.

*chuckle*

Unfortunately, with our intellectuals and the Jews of the Diaspora, desperate to maintain their status as part of the Scribe Class (Hoffer), it's more of a mainstream thing to hate the Jews of Israel and to try to conclude that the violence and hate is just the purview of the far right instead of being a part of their core belief system, one that is decidedly anti-western and pro-Islamic and unfortunately it's in the Koran that the Jews must be eliminated...

... but that part is always glossed over, said to be 'taken out of context,' compared to the Old Testament and countered with more peaceful Suras...

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

*chuckle*

Unfortunately, with our intellectuals and the Jews of the Diaspora, desperate to maintain their status as part of the Scribe Class (Hoffer), it's more of a mainstream thing to hate the Jews of Israel and to try to conclude that the violence and hate is just the purview of the far right instead of being a part of their core belief system, one that is decidedly anti-western and pro-Islamic and unfortunately it's in the Koran that the Jews must be eliminated...

... but that part is always glossed over, said to be 'taken out of context,' compared to the Old Testament and countered with more peaceful Suras...

It appears that Christians and Muslims have more in common than most people admit to.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It appears that Christians and Muslims have more in common than most people admit to.

No, the Christians have had their great reformations.

Not Islam and until Mecca and Medina have suffered the same fate as Jerusalem, they will continue to be full of themselves and their sense of manifest destiny...

 

[kbate]

Massacring the Jews is a sport. The English did it, the Germans, the Russians, the Palestinians, the Romans, the Turks did it too! And now damn it, the French want in on the game too (even if it is by immigrant surrogates) (of course the French will probably surrender to Israel but still it is the idea).

You would deny the Iranians and the French their opportunity to participate in an act which for every decent and civilised nation has been one of the steps to freedom and prosperity?

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

No, the Christians have had their great reformations.

Not Islam and until Mecca and Medina have suffered the same fate as Jerusalem, they will continue to be full of themselves and their sense of manifest destiny...

It is like this with me and God. I believe in God and the Christian Bible. I do not believe in most Christians BS. They are too full of themselves and as fickle as the wind blows.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Most ridiculous and misdirected thread ever on the GB

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Most ridiculous and misdirected thread ever on the GB

Then share your knowledge on this.

 

[mercury14]

And what do we do? We fight for the right to build super-Mosques in places with scant Muslim population.

Nobody's fighting for the right to build places of worship. But some conservatives are fighting to remove that right.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Then share your knowledge on this.

There is anti-semitism everywhere you go as well as other racist attitudes. Jewish culture is based on guilt. Just as blacks use the race card Jews use the guilt card. Anytime Jews are feeling needy they throw up the Holocaust. This play is just one more hat trick to get some mileage. I do not especially care for France but I do not think their anti-semitism is any greater than anywhere else.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Massacring the Jews is a sport. The English did it, the Germans, the Russians, the Palestinians, the Romans, the Turks did it too! And now damn it, the French want in on the game too (even if it is by immigrant surrogates) (of course the French will probably surrender to Israel but still it is the idea).

You would deny the Iranians and the French their opportunity to participate in an act which for every decent and civilised nation has been one of the steps to freedom and prosperity?

Partial credit REbate. Every empire uses Jews as an ATM.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is like this with me and God. I believe in God and the Christian Bible. I do not believe in most Christians BS. They are too full of themselves and as fickle as the wind blows.

Now when I talk to God he makes me understand!
Stick with me I'll be your guiding hand.
Don't ask me what I think of you,
I might not give the answer that you want me to...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There is anti-semitism everywhere you go as well as other racist attitudes. Jewish culture is based on guilt. Just as blacks use the race card Jews use the guilt card. Anytime Jews are feeling needy they throw up the Holocaust. This play is just one more hat trick to get some mileage. I do not especially care for France but I do not think their anti-semitism is any greater than anywhere else.

No one's saying that it's worse.

We're saying that it is pervasive and just because they use the Holocaust doesn't mean that it didn't happen and might not happen again. All over the Middle East, Islam is attacking their competition and trying to eradicate it while the West is unconcerned and in many cases even emulating their behavior in the names of Secularism and Gaia...