Iran and North Korea to launch EMP attack on the US, Obama goes golfing!

busybody..

Literotica Guru
Joined
Jul 28, 2002
Posts
149,503
Found on Wikipedia: Project K and Starfish Prime



Introduction to the Wikipedia Article Excerpts

China Confidential analysts believe Islamist Iran is working towards an EMP attack on the United States, with the assistance of Stalinist/Kimist North Korea, and, possibly, also the Chavez government in Venezuela and the Castro regime in Cuba.

An EMP (electromagnetic pulse) attack on the U.S. homeland could cripple the country by wiping out nearly all electronic and communication systems--plunging the world's greatest democracy back into the 19th century. Experts estimate that 90% of the population would perish from the resulting lack of food and drinking water, heat and medicine, mass chaos and violence.

China and Russia have EMP attack capabilities; and Iran and North Korea are close behind, as an attack of this kind could be launched from a cargo ship or a barge off the U.S. coast. Not for nothing have the two rogues--partners in nuclear/missile proliferation--test-fired missiles from freighters. Thousands of such vessels, most flying flags of convenience, approach the U.S. every day.

There is no known defense against a sea-launched EMP attack; yet the Obama administration seems oblivious to the danger.

Click here for in-depth background information.


Project K

The K Project, or also Operation K, was a series of five high altitude nuclear explosions, nuclear tests performed by the Soviet Union during the years 1961 and 1962. Their purpose was to test the performance of anti-ballistic missiles of the ABM System A and their resistance against nuclear blasts in their vicinity. Artificial radiation belts were created and their effect was measured.

Each test involved pair of R-12 missiles launched from the Kapustin Yar test complex, to high altitude above the Sary Shagan anti-ballistic missile testing range in Kazakhstan. The first missile carried a nuclear warhead. The second one carried sensors to evaluate the effects of the first missile's blast and to act as a target for the anti-ballistic missile being tested.

The Soviet tests were meant to demonstrate their anti-ballistic missile defenses which would supposedly protect their major cities in the event of a nuclear war. The worst effects of a Russian high altitude test occurred on 22 October 1962 (during the Cuban missile crisis), in Operation K when a 300 kiloton missile-warhead detonated west of Dzhezkazgan (also called Zhezqazghan) at an altitude of 290 km (180 miles). The Soviet scientists instrumented a 570 kilometer (353 mile) section of telephone line in the area affected by the detonation in order to measure electromagnetic pulse effects.

The EMP fused all of the 570-kilometer monitored overhead telephone line with measured currents of 1500 to 3400 amperes during the 22 October 1962 test. The monitored telephone line was divided into sub-lines of 40 to 80 kilometers (about 25 to 50 miles) in length, separated by repeaters. Each sub-line was protected by fuses and by gas-filled overvoltage protectors. The EMP from the 22 October (K-3) nuclear test caused all of the fuses to blow and all of the overvoltage protectors to fire in all of the sub-lines of the 570 km telephone line.[2] The EMP from the same test started a fire that burned down the Karaganda power plant, and shut down 1000 km (620 miles) of shallow-buried power cables between Astana (then called Aqmola) and Almaty.

The Partial Test Ban Treaty was passed the following year, ending atmospheric and exoatmospheric nuclear tests.

Although the weapons used in the K Project were much smaller (up to 300 kilotons) than the United States Starfish Prime test of 1962, since the K Project tests were done over a populated large land mass (and also at a location where the Earth's magnetic field was greater), the damage caused by the resulting EMP was much greater. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this damage was communicated informally to scientists in the United States. Formal scientific documentation of some of the EMP damage in Kazakhstan exists, but is still sparse in the open scientific literature.

The 1998 IEEE article], however, does contain a number of details about the measurements of EMP effects on the instrumented 570 km telephone line, including details about the fuses that were used and also about the gas-filled overvoltage protectors that were used on that communications line. According to that paper, the gas-filled overvoltage protectors fired as a result of the voltages induced by the fast E1 component of the EMP, and the fuses were blown as the result of the slow E3 component of the EMP, which caused geomagnetically induced currents in all of the sub-lines.

The Aqmola (Astana) to Almaty buried power cable was also shut down by the slow E3 component of the EMP.


The Starfish Prime Explosion

On 9 July 1962, at nine seconds after midnight, Johnston Island local time (which was 8 July, Honolulu time, at nine seconds after 11 p.m.), the Starfish Prime test was successfully detonated at an altitude of 400 kilometres (250 mi). The coordinates of the detonation were 16 degrees, 28 minutes North latitude, 169 degrees, 38 minutes West longitude. The actual weapon yield was very close to the design yield, which has been described by various sources at different values in the very narrow range of 1.4 to 1.45 megatons (6.0 PJ).

The Thor missile carrying the Starfish Prime warhead actually reached a maximum height of about 1100 km (just over 680 miles), and the warhead was detonated on its downward trajectory when it had fallen to the programmed altitude of 400 kilometres (250 mi). The nuclear warhead detonated at 13 minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff of the Thor missile from Johnston Island.

Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP-damaged microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.

While some of the energetic beta particles followed the Earth's magnetic field and illuminated the sky, other high-energy electrons became trapped and formed radiation belts around the earth. There was much uncertainty and debate about the composition, magnitude and potential adverse effects from this trapped radiation after the detonation. The weaponeers became quite worried when three satellites in low earth orbit were disabled. These man-made radiation belts eventually crippled one-third of all satellites in low earth orbit. Seven satellites were destroyed as radiation knocked out their solar arrays or electronics, including the first commercial relay communication satellite ever, Telstar
 
We've posted it before, flag a ship in Libya, sail to the Pacific, launch, scuttle, viola! no proof of who did it...





;) ;)

Obama's reaction?

KILL THE MISSILE DEFENSE!

We'll need every fawkin' dime we can get for health care...

Besides, the whole world LOVES us now! We elected a black and red Pres__ent.
 
Last edited:
We've posted it before, flag a ship in Libya, sail to the Pacific, launch, scuttle, viola! no proof of who did it...





;) ;)

Obama's reaction?

KILL THE MISSILE DEFENSE!

We'll need every fawkin' dime we can get for health care...

Besides, the whole world LOVES us now! We elected a black and red Pres__ent.

Your post states that the EMP could be triggered from a discrete location in the Pacific with no one the wiser, then you jump to the missile defense system.

If the ship was common, and the missile launched covertly, how would a missile defense system stop it?
 
Your post states that the EMP could be triggered from a discrete location in the Pacific with no one the wiser, then you jump to the missile defense system.

If the ship was common, and the missile launched covertly, how would a missile defense system stop it?

:rolleyes:



Radar was invented in WWII...
 
:rolleyes:



Radar was invented in WWII...

You probably don't understand the mathematics's of ballistics. Let me try to educate you in very simple terms.

Let's assume a ship is positioned 500 miles North of Hawaii and launches a missile with a ballistic trajectory that will take it over Los Angeles.

The first problem is detecting the launch. That can't be done with current technology because a satellite has to be looking for a launch in the launch site. We have no satellites gawking at empty ocean.

Next, the post above said the starfish prime missile reached 680 miles at apogee, then detonated at 250 on the downward arc. Launch to detonation was 13 minutes. Realistically, the upward track lasted about 8 minutes, the turn a minute, and the downward track until detonation about 4 minutes.

From a launch point 500 miles North of Hawaii, we would have nothing available to hit the missile during its upward track, even if we detected the launch. As the missile approached the coast on its downward track we'd have 4 minutes to detect it, calculate it's track and speed, launch our counter measure and hit the missile all within a 330 mile descent.
 
Because you are a veteran, I didn't call you a dumbass for noting that radar was invented in WWII; with the implication that a simple radar could detect a warhead the size of an oil barrel, travelling at terminal velocity and possibly 1000 miles away.
 
Well, since we aren't going to develop missile technology any further, OBVIOULSY we WON'T be looking for any launches...


And we won't have any SPACE BASED weapons to stop it either.


To the non-Veteran Obama, groveling weakness is our strength.

To the LEADER Osama, a sick horse needs to be put down.

To Mahmoud Ahmadinejad it's the end of the world as we know it...

That's why I jump straight to missile defense, not because it will work today, but because like Star Wars it will work tomorrow.

Don't EVER forget that without the boot of government upon our neck, we're the nation that makes the IMPOSSIBLE, Mission POSSIBLE!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Well, since we aren't going to develop missile technology any further, OBVIOULSY we WON'T be looking for any launches...


And we won't have any SPACE BASED weapons to stop it either.


To the non-Veteran Obama, groveling weakness is our strength.

To the LEADER Osama, a sick horse needs to be put down.

To Mahmoud Ahmadinejad it's the end of the world as we know it...

That's why I jump straight to missile defense, not because it will work today, but because like Star Wars it will work tomorrow.

Don't EVER forget that without the boot of government upon our neck, we're the nation that makes the IMPOSSIBLE, Mission POSSIBLE!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Your better argument would have been that Obama has pledged not to attack, with nuclear weapons, non-nuclear countries. Thus, if we didn't know who attacked us with a nuclear weapon, under his policy we wouldn't retaliate.

MAD is inapplicable.

Your missile defense bullshit was weak.
 
The old goat has a point. The most probable launch point for an EMP attack by sea would be a launch from the Gulf of Mexico and we have NO assets to defend against that.

The optimum confiduration would be a one megaton+ warhead detonated approx. 300 miles over north central Kansas. The first indication would be when it exited the atmosphere and the phased array space crap trackers picked it up. And even if we did pick it up, the time from detection to detonation would be far too short to do anything about it.

The only good news in this is that the usual suspects are far from having the technology to produce a one megaton warhead.

A small warhead at a lower altitude over a coastal city would be really bad news for that geographic area, but it would be survivable for us and suicidal for who ever launched it.

Ishmael
 
Obama isn't going to retaliate...




He's going to appoint a council of academics to study how to better our relations with the aggressor and then go out and make a speech blaming Bush, Crony Capitalism and the Jews.

And it's ONLY a dumbass who would base ANY argument on anything that Obama says knowing that everything he says has a time expiration of when he leaves the room and needs to say something else in the next room...

:rolleyes:
 
The old goat has a point. The most probable launch point for an EMP attack by sea would be a launch from the Gulf of Mexico and we have NO assets to defend against that.

The optimum confiduration would be a one megaton+ warhead detonated approx. 300 miles over north central Kansas. The first indication would be when it exited the atmosphere and the phased array space crap trackers picked it up. And even if we did pick it up, the time from detection to detonation would be far too short to do anything about it.

The only good news in this is that the usual suspects are far from having the technology to produce a one megaton warhead.

A small warhead at a lower altitude over a coastal city would be really bad news for that geographic area, but it would be survivable for us and suicidal for who ever launched it.

Ishmael

Suicidal?

We've proven that if we're hit, the first thing we're gonna do is go round up all the Tea Party members and DEMAND the aggressors not be "profiled" without the proof that's lying on the bottom of the ocean not to be found for YEARS! if ever...

And yeah, it's gonna be impossible and remain impossible if we don't plan for anything other than apologies...

But don't ever tell me it will NEVER happen and don't tell me we shouldn't be working towards preventing such an asymmetrical solution, 'cause otherwise, like the Visa program and border, the other side WILL exploit our failure to endeavor...

;) ;)
 
You two can make fun of Obama over this if you want, but his potential reaction ought to scare the shit out of you.

What better opportunity to declare martial law and federalize the entire economy?

Ishmael
 
here is THE point

(I will assume the GRUMPY GOAT is correct, and cant detect the incoming)

"obama" has tried all methods to engage Iran to no avail, even more to the point, Iran keeps saying over and over and over, and indeed conducting war games that shows its HOSTILE intent to the US, intent to do as much damage as possible with any means necessary

that is ALL the reason we should have to keep an EYE on EVERYTHING that ever goes out from there and destroy it!


there is NO EXCUSE for letting anything out.................

we are forewarned, so we MUST keep an eye out


WE WONT, THAT WOULD PISS IRAN OFF, and "OBAMA" DOESN'T DO THAT

LETS BASH JEW HOME BUILDINGS IN JEW TOWN
 
You two can make fun of Obama over this if you want, but his potential reaction ought to scare the shit out of you.

What better opportunity to declare martial law and federalize the entire economy?

Ishmael

you actually have a point

his reaction could be over the top either way



either appoint commissions and study who actually did it.....

or

take Draconian reactions either way, via military or what you stated
 
You two can make fun of Obama over this if you want, but his potential reaction ought to scare the shit out of you.

What better opportunity to declare martial law and federalize the entire economy?

Ishmael

And give Mexico the SW by way of reparation...
 
no one is arguing the defenses (assuming they are up to date,) are there

what we are arguing is

WILL THEY BE USED IN TIME TO DEFEND????????????


THAT IS THE QUESTION

It's much more likely that Iran or NK would use a non-nuclear EMP. Nukes are expensive and messy, buying a DARPA egg head is cheap and clean.
 
It's much more likely that Iran or NK would use a non-nuclear EMP. Nukes are expensive and messy, buying a DARPA egg head is cheap and clean.

and the source more easily hidden

thus giving "obama" the out

he can always say

WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO IS BEHIND THIS ATTACK.................thus paving the way for no retaliation
 
TEL AVIV - China, Iran and North Korea have established a strategic alliance that focuses on missile and nuclear development, according to a new report.

The report said that Beijing, Pyongyang and Teheran were helping each other in missile and nuclear programs. The report, titled "China, Iran and North Korea: A Triangular Strategic Alliance," by Israel's GLORIA Center said China and North Korea were the key suppliers of Scud-based ballistic missiles to Iran's military, the target of Western sanctions.

"This flurry of activities underscored the growing proliferation threats posed by DPRK [North Korea] assistance to Iran's missile capabilities, which has also led to collaboration in the nuclear realm," the report, published in the Middle East Review of International Affairs, said.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/05/a_new_axis_of_evil.html





Now I believe in reincarnation....

http://www.inmirror.com/files/imagecache/display/files/images/nikolai-yezhov-barack-obama.jpg
 
We are warned DAILY

They are coming for us

If we get attacked

It cannot be said

We shouldnt have expected it

THERE IS NO EXCUSE

Ahmadinejad Advises US to Leave Middle East

As if to confirm the China Confidential analysis--that Iran intends to drive the United States from the Middle East--Iranian maniac-in-chief Mahmoud Ahmadinejad today advised Washington to leave the region and to withdraw to U.S. borders. Click here for the story.

"Leave the region. Leave Afghanistan, leave Iraq, withdraw to your borders and mind your own business," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.

So much for engagement--code for appeasement. U.S. President Barack Obama's perfidious policy is an utter failure. He has emboldened Iran while allowing it to acquire atomic arms. When he entered the White House, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, Obama had to choose between dishonor and war with Iran. He chose dishonor, and, as a result, he/we will get war--on Iran's terms.
 
Back
Top