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Canadian specials forces heading to Middle East

OTTAWA (CP) -- Members of the army's secretive anti-terrorist unit JTF-2 are heading to the Middle East to join the war on terrorism, a high-level source said Wednesday.

A number of soldiers were preparing to fly to an undisclosed location to join special forces troops from other countries to prepare for operations in Afghanistan, the source said.

The source wouldn't say how many Canadians are involved.

The United States already has special forces troops on the ground in Afghanistan, along with marines. Elements of Britain's Special Air Service regiment are also believed to be there.

There was no official confirmation of the deployment from the Defence Department.

JTF-2, or Joint Task Force Two, is an elite unit based at Dwyer Hill, Ont., just outside Ottawa. It was created in the early 1990s when the RCMP gave up its counter-terror role to the army.

The unit is cloaked in secrecy. The military has long refused to say how many soldiers are in it, how much it costs or reveal if it is involved in an operation.

It is said to have about 250 troops and a budget of about $40 million.

Defence Minister Art Eggleton broke his usual silence on the unit recently, announcing that he will now confirm when the unit goes into action and when it returns.

While the initial focus of the unit was domestic hostage-rescue missions, its mandate has been expanded in recent years to include special operations and unconventional warfare.

Would-be members of JTF-2 are required to be in top physical condition and are subject to rigorous physical and mental testing.

The outfit was earmarked for the anti-terror war from the outset as part of Canada's contribution. However, they weren't dispatched immediately, for reasons not made public.

Opposition politicians made much of that, suggesting it was an indication that the Canadian contribution was being spurned by the Americans.

The troops are versed in the kind of extreme, cold-weather, special operations that would be required during Afghanistan's harsh winter.

On a recent visit by Eggleton to Washington to discuss the situation with Donald Rumsfeld, his American counterpart, the defence minister called JFT-2 "a very sharp-edged organization" and "a commando unit."

He said at the time they were ready for Afghanistan.

"They're well prepared to go in and be part of the mission. That is something that's being worked on."

Last month, the Commons defence committee recommended that JTF-2 be expanded to a force of about 1,000, including its own support elements.

Canada now has earmarked about 2,000 personnel to the anti-terror mission.

Four warships are escorting American carrier groups in the Arabian Sea. A Canadian frigate is with NATO in the Mediterranean Sea and another frigate sailed Wednesday to join a NATO flotilla.

The air force is ready to contribute three C-130 Hercules transports. An Airbus transport is already flying supplies to the region from Germany. The government has also offered Aurora surveillance planes.

The army has a battalion of about 1,000 on standby to go to help stabilize post-war Afghanistan.

The soldiers, members of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry in Edmonton, were originally placed on 48 hours notice. Most of them now are on seven day's notice, although an advance company is ready to go sooner.
 
Re: wow

oakleyx4 said:
Now that the battle is over here comes the Canadians. So brave.

They didn't have to go at all. :( And who says the battle is over?
 
Re: wow

oakleyx4 said:
Now that the battle is over here comes the Canadians. So brave.


Battle over? What do you know that the rest of us don't? America needs all the help from the Coalition she can get.

Don't forget there's still Iraq, Somalia and Aden on Bush's check list.

:(
 
The Kiwi and Aussie Special Air Service have been working with the Brits for a few weeks now. Good on the Canucks.:)
 
i feel a lot safer now.

and to think only yesterday, when the myposians joined the fight, i thought to my self, "howcan this get any better?"
 
Lets see who stands with us when we move on to Iraq, or when things dont go as planed.That will show who are friends really are.
 
oakleyx4 said:
Lets see who stands with us when we move on to Iraq, or when things dont go as planed.That will show who are friends really are.

Wait a minute. In your last post you were sneering at the Canadians for joining the fray now. And now you are wondering who is going to stick when the US moves on to Iraq. Do you approve of international assisstance or not?
 
oakleyx4 said:
Lets see who stands with us when we move on to Iraq,

You won't have to wait I can probably tell you now...

Not many.

The rest of the world wasn't exactly happy with the destruction of Afghanistan and the support for America was melting away then.

It's not that we don't agree with the general aim of getting rid of terrorism it's just that using that to settle old scores, as Bush is doing if he goes into other countries, isn't exactly on our own agenda.

The support that Bush keeps giving Israel doesn't help either.

:)
 
scared

Other countries are scared. They dont want to help. Remember 9-11. Its not about settling scores its about keeping the people safe. I guess in London you dont get the news.
 
Re: scared

oakleyx4 said:
Other countries are scared. They dont want to help. Remember 9-11. Its not about settling scores its about keeping the people safe. I guess in London you dont get the news.

Do you feel any safer?

Does the complete destruction of a stone age country (wasn't that difficult was it? Although you still had to ask for international help to do it) let you sleep more peacefully in your bed at night?

Does the fact that if Bush decides to enlarge his "war" it will more than likely bring the might of the Islamic world down upon your neck, maybe not immediately but sometime in the future make you breathe freer?

Just how is this present US policy "keeping the people safe"?

:confused:
 
Re: wow

oakleyx4 said:
Now that the battle is over here comes the Canadians. So brave.

Actually there have been Canadian ships and support staff there for weeks. This is just ground troops going in. I mean American troops jsut went in on the ground recently didnt they?
 
yes

Yes, I feel much better knowing we have people in the white house doing there job and stopping the threat of terror. Bin laben wants to kill people, Saddam to. Cant wish it away, you have to deal with it. Like it or not.
 
Re: scared

oakleyx4 said:
Other countries are scared. They dont want to help. Remember 9-11. Its not about settling scores its about keeping the people safe. I guess in London you dont get the news.

Jesus Christ... who writes your lines? If the other countries were scared why thew fuck would they be there. Australia recieved a direct threat from the Taliban before they sent in over 1500 personel... they still sent them. Cowards... I don't think so.:mad:
 
Be there

Like i said before lets see who helps us when thing get tough. When there is fighting on the front lines, not after the bombings. Then they can claim to have helped us.
 
Re: Re: wow

Pheonyx said:
I mean American troops jsut went in on the ground recently didnt they?

We're told that the SAS was in on the ground along with other Commonwealth special forces before any formalised action took place. I presume the SAS were in with the Special Forces from Canada, New Zealand and Australia.

But that's one reason why they're called Special Forces. No-one knows exactly what they're doing or where...

:)
 
Re: yes

oakleyx4 said:
Yes, I feel much better knowing we have people in the white house doing there job and stopping the threat of terror. Bin laben wants to kill people, Saddam to. Cant wish it away, you have to deal with it. Like it or not.


Spoken like a true child of Hollywood...

:p
 
You've got to be kidding ...

p_p_man said:


The rest of the world wasn't exactly happy with the destruction of Afghanistan and the support for America was melting away then.

:)


The "rest of the world" must not have knows that Afghanistan was a bomb ridden hell hole before we got there then. American forces in Afghanistan should be applauded for their restraint.

And frankly PeePee, this American is sick and tired of the hypocritical rhetoric of "probably" insinuations coming from your neck of the woods. I've listened to the armchair generals throughout Europe blaspheme the US as "warmongers", turning fact into fiction, and blaming our media for "spoon feeding" us propaganda ... when the only fiction is that you prefer to see us live up to YOUR image of us ... when the facts don't support your claims, you spout stupid comments like those mentioned in your post. By all means, al Jazera must be the source of news on your tv.

You're either with us, or not ... don't make much difference either way.

Of course, Americans are grateful for any assistance from other countries in the coalition (including Canada, our northern neighbors); but, terrorism affects every country's safety and security. It's a fight for right ... nothing to do with "settling old scores" or "oil procurement", as so many who do not understand American patriotism claim. When our national security has been threatened, we WILL strike back.

PeePee Man - I gather you would feel the same had the terrorists flown a hijacked jet into Sellafield.
 
DAMN!

That was me up there ... damn cookies, now I can't correct the typo.
 
Re: Re: yes

p_p_man said:



Spoken like a true child of Hollywood p_p man get your head out of your ass. Your post show what side your on . Your a crying liberal who thinks hes showing the world its mistakes. Thank god you dont live in the U.S.
 
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Re: You've got to be kidding ...

Unregistered said:
And frankly PeePee, this American is sick and tired of the hypocritical rhetoric of "probably" insinuations coming from your neck of the woods. I've listened to the armchair generals throughout Europe blaspheme the US as "warmongers", turning fact into fiction, and blaming our media for "spoon feeding" us propaganda ... when the only fiction is that you prefer to see us live up to YOUR image of us ... when the facts don't support your claims, you spout stupid comments like those mentioned in your post. By all means, al Jazera must be the source of news on your tv.[/QUOTE}

OK. Just for you...

I think the Islamic world will get so pissed off at Americ'a policy in it's own neck of the woods that they will soon tell you to go back home and leave them alone. Oh sorry they're doing that already...

How's this one. Bush's blind belief that Israel can do no wrong (isn't the Jewish lobby in America fairly large?) can only lead to further terrorist attacks on American soil. Oh sorry you're still receiving alerts from the FBI about "sources unknown".

The Bush Administration will want to gag the American people in order to tighten the control it has over them already. Ooops that's being done.

One more try. I think the American people will firmly believe that they won WWII turning fact into fiction. Shit that's no good either.

But at least I posted with not a "probably" in sight.

:(
 
PEE PEE! You're starting to piss me off!

p_p_man said:
I think the Islamic world will get so pissed off at Americ'a policy in it's own neck of the woods that they will soon tell you to go back home and leave them alone. Oh sorry they're doing that already...
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No, not the ones who appreciate our protection and technologies. Understanding that some are afraid of the consequences (read here: the threat of terrorist activites from extremists), most are supportive less publically than you would know. Back up your insinuation, PeePee. Who is doing that already?

"I think" is much better than a "probably" ... at least you accept that this is your own opinion.




p_p_man said:
How's this one. Bush's blind belief that Israel can do no wrong (isn't the Jewish lobby in America fairly large?) can only lead to further terrorist attacks on American soil. Oh sorry you're still receiving alerts from the FBI about "sources unknown".
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Somehow, I don't believe you are sorry we are still receiving alerts about more terrorist attacks on our soil (and yours). Don't wet yourself while gleefully hoping for our demise. Did you ever wonder about the "Jewish lobby in America"? You think it's about money, don't you? You see, it's different here than Europe. We are a nation who welcomes immigrants ... our country is diverse in many cultures. American sympathies for Israel is partly because many of us have friends and neighbors who are of Jewish descent ... and they ARE Americans. We know of their suffering, we believe in their right to heritage, even the Bible supports their existence in their homeland in the Middle East. You can whitewash it, but history remains that the first terrorist activity began with the PLO. Even now, each attempt for peace between Israel and Palestine is on the brink of being destroyed by terrorist activity. If Arafat cannot (or will not) stop the terrorists from killing civilians, we acknowledge that Israel has the right to defend itself. Are you forgetting the part that the US has played in peace agreements for many years. Did you forget President Carter intervening in peace talks, as well. Ours is not a blind support of Israel ... but a hope for peace.

Ooops! an almost "probably" --> "Bush's blind belief"
AND another "probably" --> "can only lead"



p_p_man said:
The Bush Administration will want to gag the American people in order to tighten the control it has over them already. Ooops that's being done.
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Dream on! What you mistake for "gagging" and "control over us" is simply a matter of rounding up the wagons and being ready. Have you ever heard of the war time addage "Loose lips sink ships"? Good sense dictates some level of intelligence security. Any discension you may interpret as control over freedom of speech, is simply healthy debate for the protection of liberties. In the end, the majority believe it is for good cause... national security. We are a true democracy ... the "Administration" has 90% support of the American people ... the voice you hear is OURS, not being gagged.

Was that a "probably" turned into a "fact" there? --> "will want to"



p_p_man said:
One more try. I think the American people will firmly believe that they won WWII turning fact into fiction. Shit that's no good either.
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Don't impose YOUR own anti-american thought process on what American people believe. Your views are tainted by ignorance.

Just know that America has been, and still is, a strong ally of Great Britain. Thankfully, Tony Blair has a better understanding of the responsibilities of a world power to weaker countries, than you do.



p_p_man said:
But at least I posted with not a "probably" in sight.
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Actually, those were all "probablies" that you have convinced yourself are "facts". Typical, really.
 
It could happen to you!

This just hot off the press ... :eek:


Man claims planning suicide attacks in Britain


A man arrested in India has confessed to planning suicide attacks in Britain, Australia's foreign minister said today.

Mr Alexander Downer said Australian authorities were aware a man arrested in Bombay last month had confessed to planning attacks in Australia and Britain. The suspect's nationality was not known.

"He has done pilot training apparently in Australia and in Britain so presumably the type of suicide attack he was contemplating was using aircraft," Mr Downer said.

"But whether of course he would have ever gone ahead with it, one doesn't know, but the Indian authorities are taking it seriously".

The man was arrested on suspicion of being linked with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, the target of the US-led coalition on the ground in Afghanistan, which includes British and Australian troops.

Mr Downer said there was no reason to think his claims were a hoax.

"I gather he confessed to planning suicide attacks in Australia or in Britain or one or two other countries, so it does underline the point that we need to take our security very seriously," he said.
 
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