Interesting graph from FiveThirtyEight

[Sh1ne0n67]

What do you think?

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Historically, the averages are well below 50% until about the time of the pandemic
at which time Democrat belief in expertise went into an unbelievable faith-based range.


Link fail, let's try this: https://reason.com/2022/05/10/baby-formula-shortage-fda-approval-biden/

 

[YDB95]

I don't buy that it was that low among Dems before the pandemic.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Well, that should bend the blue line down since 538 is highly regarded as a polling expert...
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[Chobham]

Interesting graph. Notice how the trends, positive and negative tend to track each other until the pandemic?

What would be interesting would be to identify specific events that lead to the various historical peaks and valleys.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

I think that's somewhat the impression that I gather - the pandemic inflamed The Passion of the Science
and I think it was a fear-based response to some of the underlying state-worship prevalent on the Left...

The State came down from the mountain having spoken to the burning bush and they fell down on their knees.
The State presented them with experts that verified their fears and they treated them as prophets
who gave them a roadmap to the absolution of all their sins and earthly salvation since
they don't believe in a Heaven, even though they believe earth (the US) is Hell.

The mask was their sign of submission to the Holy Will of Science.
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[Chobham]

While the other side took note of the contradictions and hypocrisy.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Yes, there was a lot of proof about the rules for radical leadership
and the little guy/gal that they purport to be the shepherds of...


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[oggbashan]

Basis of surveys, questions asked, poll sizes?

The graph is useless without the backing bata.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

There is also a tie-in here with the Publish or Perish culture in our bloated halls of higher education.

Democrats like to pride themselves on the myth of their superior education which provides several
interesting results one of which is the explosion of degrees, some of them debatable as to the level,
or value, of the scholarship involved, money being money, and universities and professors like money
as much as anybody, (and they fight for diligently government largess) so I think there is a bit of
quid pro quo involved, if you don't question my expertise, I won't question yours.
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[ll74]

Distrust of authority manifests itself in multiple different ways.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Follow the link Ogg (see post #3).
It was a valid sample according to the Expert Science of statistical polling.
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[oggbashan]

Follow the link Ogg (see post #3).
It was a valid sample according to the Expert Science of statistical polling.
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There is no visible link in post #3

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...is-now-part-of-many-rural-americans-identity/

Paywall source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...blue-america/37C9F95A5DF4F81BAF69677DC6C9C972

However, I do not distrust 538.

 

[oggbashan]

However, I do not distrust 538.

I cannot access the data without paying, so I won't. But if true, it is a damning indictment of US education and politics.

 

[ll74]

I cannot access the data without paying, so I won't. But if true, it is a damning indictment of US education and politics.

When an entire party is calling education,."indoctrination", it's not shocking to see the polls reflect that.

 

[oggbashan]

When an entire party is calling education,."indoctrination", it's not shocking to see the polls reflect that.

In any Asian country, those responsible for state education would be committing hari-kiri.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

I cannot access the data without paying, so I won't. But if true, it is a damning indictment of US education and politics.

I have to believe that those who set the trends in popular culture (controlling entertainment content,
for example [and why they hate Elon Musk now]) also lowers the expectations when it comes to education.
We really don't push pure scholarship because as a right (and as affirmative action) we push too many
students into the university system who are simply unequipped for the rigors of true scholarship.

That influx of warm bodies require more teaching bodies and that career path becomes bloated,
and as alluded to before, career advancement requires publishing and publishing requires peer
review and a lot of rubber-stamping of bad research/scholarship just gets rubber-stamped lest
credential outing wars erupt in academia and they're at least smart enough to not, ahem,
dedicate in their own ivory tower.

I think this is why conservatives don't trust the higher education complex because they are
people of strict application and not people of "pure" theory. A country boy knows how to
recognize a pile of cow shit and not set in it.



But let me repeat, when it comes to this sort of analysis, 538 is worthy of respect.

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[Sh1ne0n67]

In any Asian country, those responsible for state education would be committing hari-kiri.

Well,



I know of one where they would be fed to the dogs! Lil' Kim needs his missiles!

 

[ll74]

Lol....that's funny. Almost makes them all sound sophisticated.

They're being shown things that piss them off on their TV's because their TV's tell them that this is what college is about.

Old people always feel that their generation was the best one and yell at the kids to get off their lawn

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Went you cannot make a meaningful contribution to an ongoing conversation, you take refuge in the insult.
This makes you a true product of your superior education...

 

[ll74]

Yep....because your opinion truly offers up something special.

 

[oggbashan]

It looks as if the earlier years expressed reservations about Covid information.

In the UK, vaccine reluctance was much less prevalent even though the scientific advice varied. People seemed to understand that the scientists were not as well informed about Covid as they wanted to be and their doubts were freely expressed and debated.

Universities in the UK have downgraded their academic excellence over recent decades as there has been pressure to get 50% of all youngsters to universities. That has led to an increase in Mickey Mouse type studies with little academic rigour. But the best (and hardest) courses are still challenging. The emphasis on university education has dropped as youngsters are reluctant to incur debts to get degrees that will not improve their employment prospects and more apprenticeships and practical courses are being established. A qualified plumber will out-earn an Arts graduate (or horror - media studies) and is always likely to be employed.

Science education in UK schools is still useful and includes the limitations of scientific study so that the US graph would be unlikely to be repeated here. Neither main political party is anti-science or anti-education. Education is far less politicised than in the US. The arguments about education are much more about details such as what should be required in studies and how achievement should be measured. It is known that school examinations have lowered standards since the 1960s. A 16+ qualification of the 1960s in most serious subjects would equate to an 18+ qualification now, but the range of subject matter is far wider and possibly more useful to the average student.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Trust in science and trust in the scientific community are not the same thing.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Ogg, there is no anti-Science party in the US.
That's just a pejorative employed when you tell the Left...,

Uh..., that might be Science born of (woke) political philosophy.

Some researchers, I fear, actually tailor the experimentation/investigation to desired outcomes.
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[ll74]

Trust in science and trust in the scientific community are not the same thing.

Science from the non-scientific community

There's an interesting topic