Infrastructure Bill advances in Senate
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Neither side got what they wanted. A trillion is still a trillion...and the money won't go to business partners that never built a wall. Union jobs.
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What a waste of a whole bunch of money we don't have.
How is it a waste to spend money on things we need like roads and bridges? And it's not like we don't have it. The money's out there flowing through the economy -- taxes just divert it through government hands, which immediately spend it and it flows right back into the private-sector economy.
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What they do understand is, it won't necessarily return those seven dollars into the wallets of the uber-rich. That's all they care about.
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Rainbow Monkey with giant dildoes teaching small kids about jacking off is not "infrastructure" no matter how much (D)'s want to call it that.
No roads or bridges will be built, that money is all going to vanish and the roads and bridges will still be shit.
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Rainbow Monkey with giant dildoes teaching small kids about jacking off is not "infrastructure" no matter how much (D)'s want to call it that.
No roads or bridges will be built, that money is all going to vanish and the roads and bridges will still be shit.
Well, it's not a bill yet.
It's advanced so they can still consider it.
In fact, it has a long way to go, so this thread is nothing but premature ejaculation.
The bill still has a ways to go before it actually becomes law.
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I believe when I posted about this yesterday, Righty said he doubted it would move forward.
The measure, which passed 67-32, includes about $550 billion in new funding for roads, bridges, rail, transit, water and other "traditional" infrastructure programs.
The question will be how quickly the final vote for both H and S occur and send to Biden's desk.
And then the next question is, what will be in the reconciliation bill??
Kyrsten Sinema has signaled lack of support
The measure, which passed 67-32, includes about $550 billion in new funding for roads, bridges, rail, transit, water and other "traditional" infrastructure programs.
The question will be how quickly the final vote for both H and S occur and send to Biden's desk.
And then the next question is, what will be in the reconciliation bill??
Kyrsten Sinema has signaled lack of support
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If that's the case, we should have eliminated the deficit, not to mention the debt, long ago. Or maybe the 1-->7 trope is a lie, as is likely.
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What i do know in my region...many Republican owned companies are using the covid inflationary issues as an excuse to raise their prices. 3.2 trillion might be too much. They will do anything to sabotage our economy
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I'm not sure I get why the two are related.
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The vote last night was a procedural vote to bring the bill to the floor of the senate for debate. Part of the trillion includes unspent money already approved in prior legislation and part of it is new spending. I think roughly $600B in new spending.
Dems hope this will be followed by a massive multi-trillion bill that they’ll pass through reconciliation which they could do with their 50 senate seats and Harris as the tie breaker. The GOP hopes passage of the bipartisan bill focused on traditional infrastructure will make it politically difficult for Dems to follow with the bigger bill packed with social spending and entitlements. They are placing their bets on moderate Democrats like Kristen Sinema to block it. Senate Democrats like her, Machin, Tester, and a couple others will be the power brokers in the bipartisan bill that just advanced.
There will be tension between the moderate Dems and the hard core progressives like Bernie. If the Bernie wing pushes too hard, they lose the moderates. If the moderates cave, they lose Republicans they need. If they don’t have 60 votes, reconciliation is the only path forward.
Dems hope this will be followed by a massive multi-trillion bill that they’ll pass through reconciliation which they could do with their 50 senate seats and Harris as the tie breaker. The GOP hopes passage of the bipartisan bill focused on traditional infrastructure will make it politically difficult for Dems to follow with the bigger bill packed with social spending and entitlements. They are placing their bets on moderate Democrats like Kristen Sinema to block it. Senate Democrats like her, Machin, Tester, and a couple others will be the power brokers in the bipartisan bill that just advanced.
There will be tension between the moderate Dems and the hard core progressives like Bernie. If the Bernie wing pushes too hard, they lose the moderates. If the moderates cave, they lose Republicans they need. If they don’t have 60 votes, reconciliation is the only path forward.
Yeah, it's a real good thing to get this moving. I have a friend, an ex-army engineer friend who works on almost all the large east coast bridges...he had a good bead on why bridge infrastructure is in such bad shape.
"Most states cant afford to repair all this infrastructure. Mostly, it's the "don't raise my taxes" crowd that had mostly Repubs resistant to commiting the money...they fear not being reelected.
The only way big infrastructure projects get done is if the Federal.govt.backs the projects with money but does not interfer in how states use it on infrastructure. This is the road to success... Republicans resist this because any Federal Govt success is against their current propaganda platform."
Republicans had a free lane to do infrastructure under 45 and they decided otherwise so Dems will get the victory here.
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President biden working with the opposition to get things done and he didnt make them kiss his ass. Lol
That pisses off the trumptards.
That pisses off the trumptards.
No roads or bridges will be built, that money is all going to vanish and the roads and bridges will still be shit.
The money only ever seems to vanish when an R is in charge, as in Iraq.
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I am not convinced the inflation we are seeing is covid related. It also can be a manipulation by those with money to get rid of Democrats that they know want to tax them
Edit...during time of inflation...it is best not to spend money. I am not saying this shouldn't be done...but maybe not as a 3 trillion addon
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So your point is that the ceiling is too high and so to pass, they should aim lower?
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Up to you...you want to lose the Senate...House...and Presidency...then force it through. How did forcing Obamacare (which I support) work out?
What we know as fact...prices of EVERYTHING is increasing abnormally. Could it all be related to covid? Sure. But it also can be a manipulation of the markets. There is a limit to how much money you can spend...tax...when inflation is running rampant. Best to make a prudent decision...get something through and work on future spending after we know what is driving the increases.
Or Democrats can be stupid...force it through...increase inflation...lose control of the House and Senate in 22 and the presidency in 24. It really isn't rocket science....don't try to make it more complicated than it really is.
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Deficit hawks will be deficit hawks. There are two aspects here though - you need to spend money to get stuff done. Voters respond to results.
If you can market your messaging properly, voters will see that your policies led to those results. My bridge got built because of an infrastructure bill Democrats passed. My paycheck got bigger because of tax cuts that Republicans passed....etc.
Inflation is usually a sign of a growing economy. The Great Depression was marked by deflation.
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