Incest: Slow Burn Romanticism VS. FAP

[mejau71]

Over the years, my mother/son stories have veered more towards the slow burn rather than the one-offs. I’m guessing this is due to age and experience, but the edification of all the mental hurdles I have the mother characters grapple with are remarkably fascinating.

I get the excitement of a quickie “mom catching son jerking off” story. I started there too.

For you taboo writers, what’s your take on realism vs. raunch? My take is that the “art of romance” has been diluted (and polluted) with all the digital noise. I want to lift this taboo out of the gutters and give it a place on the highest heavenly stage while keeping it sexy, real, and seductively tantalizing.

My latest mother/son romance spans four decades, delving into real-world challenges of not just getting to the bedroom, but making an adult forbidden relationship work outside the bedroom. Any relationship takes work, but to imagine the reality of keeping it together under the ever scrutinizing eye of the public is, in my opinion, writer’s catnip.

Thoughts?

 

[SimonDoom]

There are large audiences for both, especially here at Literotica, where the readership for incest stories is enormous. I wrote a very successful 8-chapter slow-burn mom-son incest series, and I've also written short stroky stories. I enjoy writing both, and there appear to be plenty of readers who enjoy reading each, or both.

I don't have any personal experience with incest, so for me it's a matter of fantasy, and often light-hearted fantasy, rather than something that resonates in a real way. So I don't worry too much about realism. I try to make my stories just barely realistic enough that I don't lose too many readers. For most, this seems to work. But you can't please everybody. Some complain that the stories aren't realistic, and some complain that it takes too long to get to the sex. At this point I write these stories the way I want and don't worry too much about what readers will think because I know the reaction will be varied.

 

[Djmac1031]

I absolutely bounce around between straight up sex stories and slow burns.

My newest story is a Fantasy with very little actual sex in 17k words.

But I'm also working on a mom / son story where things start happening on page one

As Simon said, there's an audience for both kinds, and ones in between.

Sometimes they're even the same audience.

 

[HeyAll]

I don't know if this answers the question, but it's about marketing and finding the right audience.

If your story is titled (or has the tagline) "Mom catches son jerking off" and it's 7 page romance, people will be dissapointed, as the FAP audience would be more likely to click it.

If you story has 'romance' or 'love' in the title, but it's a FAP story, then romance readers will be more likely to click it and be dissapointed.

Either way, two most important things with Taboo in my opinion are creating realistic characters and showing readers where the line is, and then crossing that line.

 

[Euphony]

you can't please everybody. Some complain that the stories aren't realistic, and some complain that it takes too long to get to the sex. At this point I write these stories the way I want and don't worry too much about what readers will think because I know the reaction will be varied.

Writer's motivation can be incredibly hard to come by so I don't begrudge writers who use a bit of audience self-delusion to reach the promised land (I do it all the time.)

That said, Simon is right, audiences exist for most. And even as excruciatingly "slow burn" disciple, I don't feel one is inherently better than the other/more deserving of a place here. They each have their pros and cons.

Bad stroke is plentiful b/c it requires the least time investment. That can shade opinions of the form.

Bad slow burn abounds but is graded on a curve for many reasons with time investment/effort probably ranking highest. It's copycatting of literature we were fed in school adds shine but, if you aren't looking at it from a distance, you see the uneven fading of the underlying paint, dings, scratches, etc.

My personal peeve are attempts to do grandiose which usually express as muddy, blocks of text details and info dumps. Even I get mired in them and I like to think (I've worked on it) I have better attention span than average in our new, high octane society. Weather and seasons are particularly abused. (as with all things, tell me only what I need to know and show why it is applicable to characters/story. Barometric pressure charting is unnecessary.)

Good "slow burn" is pretty awesome (and my writing/motivational preference.) When a lot of threads are well tied together and the scenarios can at least somewhat be supported by probability, you've really done something.

While I don't write it, exceptionally good "stroke" is top tier. I don't mean "servicing" stroke (that checks all the category expectation/hotness boxes) I mean contained, deep experiences shown with an efficiency of words I clearly lack (as evidenced by my posts.) Those are haunting stories. I can forget authors or even some details but when the memory surfaces for whatever reason, I quickly access many of the same feelings/emotions I had during first read.

Haunting.

THOSE authors suffering the slings and arrows of the general stroke assumptions is unfortunate but makes their skilled, graceful sailing through a fierce headwind something special indeed.

Viva la stokers.

 

[Fatdog25]

Over the years, my mother/son stories have veered more towards the slow burn rather than the one-offs. I’m guessing this is due to age and experience, but the edification of all the mental hurdles I have the mother characters grapple with are remarkably fascinating.

I get the excitement of a quickie “mom catching son jerking off” story. I started there too.

For you taboo writers, what’s your take on realism vs. raunch? My take is that the “art of romance” has been diluted (and polluted) with all the digital noise. I want to lift this taboo out of the gutters and give it a place on the highest heavenly stage while keeping it sexy, real, and seductively tantalizing.

My latest mother/son romance spans four decades, delving into real-world challenges of not just getting to the bedroom, but making an adult forbidden relationship work outside the bedroom. Any relationship takes work, but to imagine the reality of keeping it together under the ever scrutinizing eye of the public is, in my opinion, writer’s catnip.

Thoughts?

Most of my stories are of the sibcest variety.

I've tried, with varying amounts of success, to keep the romance aspect of it to the forefront. When I read, I want a real story with a happy ending. Those are the kind of stories I write. Judging from the response to my stories, there is definitely an audience for it in sibcest. I don't see momcest being any different, except that possibly the audience is larger.

 

[WyreBendr0417]

The three stories that have had the most success for me all contained sibcest. The first one is two parts, (three if I ever finish it) where the parents join their son and daughter in the second chapter, the father reluctantly.

Writing the third story, the sibcest aspect, was an afterthought, but it played in very well.

Regardless of the members involved in an incestuous relationship, I try to give the reason for it developing some substance, be it romantic or simply a special feeling the characters have for each other.

Not that there's anything wrong with taboo stories simply about gratification, it's just not a storyline I'm drawn to write about, yet. I like to read and write stories that delve into why and how something that shouldn't have happened, did in fact, happen.

 

[mejau71]

Thanks everyone. It’s nice to see/read others thoughts on the subject. It’s really finding that secret sauce. Most everyone that goes to my page knows what they’re going to get. I write what I want and how I want. After all, it’s free to all those who worship at the Literotica altar.

 

[momloverson]

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Over the years, my mother/son stories have veered more towards the slow burn rather than the one-offs. I’m guessing this is due to age and experience, but the edification of all the mental hurdles I have the mother characters grapple with are remarkably fascinating.

I get the excitement of a quickie “mom catching son jerking off” story. I started there too.

For you taboo writers, what’s your take on realism vs. raunch? My take is that the “art of romance” has been diluted (and polluted) with all the digital noise. I want to lift this taboo out of the gutters and give it a place on the highest heavenly stage while keeping it sexy, real, and seductively tantalizing.

My latest mother/son romance spans four decades, delving into real-world challenges of not just getting to the bedroom, but making an adult forbidden relationship work outside the bedroom. Any relationship takes work, but to imagine the reality of keeping it together under the ever scrutinizing eye of the public is, in my opinion, writer’s catnip.

Over the years, my mother/son stories have veered more towards the slow burn rather than the one-offs. I’m guessing this is due to age and experience, but the edification of all the mental hurdles I have the mother characters grapple with are remarkably fascinating.

I get the excitement of a quickie “mom catching son jerking off” story. I started there too.

For you taboo writers, what’s your take on realism vs. raunch? My take is that the “art of romance” has been diluted (and polluted) with all the digital noise. I want to lift this taboo out of the gutters and give it a place on the highest heavenly stage while keeping it sexy, real, and seductively tantalizing.

My latest mother/son romance spans four decades, delving into real-world challenges of not just getting to the bedroom, but making an adult forbidden relationship work outside the bedroom. Any relationship takes work, but to imagine the reality of keeping it together under the ever scrutinizing eye of the public is, in my opinion, writer’s catnip.

Thoughts?

slow burns are more liked and more loved in mother son genre...trust me on this....mother son doesnt happen anywhere quickly....it requires patience and time , hence the slow burns

 

[StillStunned]

Weather and seasons are particularly abused. (as with all things, tell me only what I need to know and show why it is applicable to characters/story. Barometric pressure charting is unnecessary.)

Weather (and barometric pressure) can be a wonderful tool for showing the characters' mood. Hot and sultry, wild and stormy, dark and gloomy - if you do it right, the readers won't even consciously notice what you're doing, but they'll feel the effect.

Of course if you do it wrong, or overdo it, well...

 

[momloverson]

Weather (and barometric pressure) can be a wonderful tool for showing the characters' mood. Hot and sultry, wild and stormy, dark and gloomy - if you do it right, the readers won't even consciously notice what you're doing, but they'll feel the effect.

Of course if you do it wrong, or overdo it, well...

DM me to discuss mother son slow burns in detail

 

[StillStunned]

DM me to discuss mother son slow burns in detail

No thanks. But you can read my one mother-child story here: You Know You Shouldn't.

 

[lovecraft68]

Although there's a readership for each style, I feel the slow burn, character driven, conflicted stories have a larger audience.

Why is that?

First, I believe that a large portion of the readership knows that their fun fantasy is, in the real world, nothing fun. Its usually abusive, both physically and emotionally, its traumatic, and its always wrong when its between a parent and child, even adult child, and even if consensual between siblings, something is seriously off there to create the wires being crossed to that level. Most likely a broken home etc..

Because of those things I feel the readership appreciates stories that take the crossing of this line seriously, and to be far more than "Mom saw my cock and hopped on." The characters in my stories question what's wrong with them as they desire their family member, they tell themselves they're wrong, that it can't happen, and it takes a lot to get to where it does. Long story short, its taking it seriously as opposed to making it a five minute Porn hub clip.

As for the romance angle, "Incest/romance" seems like an oxy moron, again due to real life stigma, but its what the readers enjoy, because again, its lifting it above the bad reputation, justifying it, and also plays into the taboo of loving the one person out there society tells us we can't. People who don't understand the category don't get that the word taboo doesn't just apply to raw sex, but the emotional angle of a son, mom, sis, brother etc,,,becoming everything to each other.

No woman could ever love or care for a man the way his mother does, and now make her his lover, and she is now the ultimate woman in his life. I mean this in fantasy of course, but that's the driving force behind what many readers want. Brothers and sisters who are peers, best friends, partners in crime, confidants, and now lovers...you get the point.

Now, form a writing standpoint, incest gets a lot of negative reactions from those who don't write it. Some of this is that they feel its a squicky topic(like many see non consent) but for some its the jealousy of the numbers it gets, that its the biggest category on the site.

Because of the latter, we get "anyone can write incest" "the readers there are the easiest to please" "Authors only write there for numbers" and other bashing comments. I am looking directly at you Electricblue66, not all of us backbite, some of us are very direct. But he's not alone in that attitude, I've been seeing it from many in my time here, and its simply jealousy or a form of frustration that something they have no interest in rules the roost here.

But the truth is, if you're writing a conflicted slow burn story, its not easy. Other than categories that are not based in reality(Horror, sci-fi, non human) Taboo is the most difficult story to try to present with plausibility. Any other kink here happens every day. Interracial, Group, cheating, E/V, BDSM< fetishes, there are people who practice these acts all the time, but two categories, non con and incest-the crime kinks- are different. Non con the kink is the crime, people go there to read and write rape stories, they take a real thing and...present it as that to people who get off on the fantasy and fantasy only, so no reason to try and alter it from reality, they glorify it, nature of that kink.

Incest though, as I started with, we know the real-life crime and do not want that presented here. It is not an easy thing to come up with a taboo story that in the end a reader can say, I can see this happening. To get something so implausible to read well enough to immerse the reader into the fiction and forget reality is often difficult, and those of us that do it, are certainly not less of a writer like some here think.

Fiction has to fiction, and no more so than in any erotic story where just the appearance of the characters alone bends reality because every guy is a stud, every woman a porn start, and they all fuck like pornstars and although most kinks are a real thing, its greatly exaggerated here. That means that even for those delivering an attempt at plausible incest, we know we're still stretching it, but the good stories can manage to keep it grounded in the real world.

I posted a story here, "Mom, That was you." the event that kicks off the initial accidental encounter-is a real sex game that I played years ago, and there's a lot of porn stories and videos based on, I just gave it a family angle. But once it discovered who she just had sex with, the mother's meltdown and fear she was going to lose her son over this and her life was ruined, is what brings the reader from stroker to real story. I have several like that here and many as e-books I haven't put here. Read the comments on that one, and see what the readers compliment it for, and it proves everything I typed here.

Consider this a mini how to for those interested.

 

[alohadave]

I want to lift this taboo out of the gutters and give it a place on the highest heavenly stage while keeping it sexy, real, and seductively tantalizing.

There's plenty of room for literature and stroke stories.

 

[Euphony]

No thanks. But you can read my one mother-child story here: You Know You Shouldn't.

StillStunned 2024 campaign:

"I like your stances. Let me buy you a beer."

"Nah, I'm good. But I assume I count on your vote?"

 

[M_K_Babalon]

It doesn't matter, as long as it's believable. One of mine is a slow burn, one technically isn't.

 

[Dnthmn_19]

I like a lot of genres, including mom/son (as borderline believable as I think they are) but as soon as it seems the author is trying too hard to tell the family history to make it believable, I click the Back button. Honestly, all I need to know is that your mother is attractive in some way; I don't care why your father's not in the picture. I rarely take on a story of any kind longer than 5,000 words unless it has a 4.6 or 4.7 rating.

 

[jhealy55]

I tend to the painfully slow burn side of the spectrum because I am much more interested in the barriers being crossed than how quickly I can get to the destination.

To the point where I can hear some readers getting frustrated (despite the ample warnings in the author's notes).

In many ways I may be exploiting the genre because of the challenges it creates between the participants. I want the awkward, the tentative, the irresistible pull and the trembling surrender more than I actually want to have a brother/sister dynamic. Is there a married co-worker dynamic that works just as well? Not sure.

But just watching two characters go at it without any reason to consider whether they should doesn't really motivate me as a writer. So a quick stroke sibling story makes even less sense than one that takes place between two single adults who duck out of the bar for a quickie 10 minutes after they've met.

It only took a dozen or so of those in real life before I realized that no matter how hot the girl was, they lacked something that always left me wondering why they weren't more satisfying.

 

[shakna]

Most of my tales are slow burns, rather than a quickie. I prefer the romance.
And... Most of my tales are marked as "Hot".

 

[Priscilla_June]

I think when I started my Lambs of Lust series I really was gear towards a hot stroker. Like you mentioned, as you progress as a writer you start to want to slow burn things and develop more.

Since then, I have started other series not in the I/T category that see more slow burned and I think I enjoy writing those more. Not that dislike Lambs, just as a different, yet smaller place on my heart. The intense heat and focus on sex, especially in the mom/son category seem to pair well. You can get deep into the mental aspect of it (which I touch on in the background of Lambs), but its just as fun to keep it more light-hearted in an almost porn-logic way. I try to not stray too far off the beaten path of realism, but since mom/son as a category is already there, its not fund to strictly stay on the centerline either.

My audience for Lambs has been extremely focused towards the stroker material. They request acts, wardrobe, narrative events that just seem to be a one-off quick pay-off sort of material. So I play to that a little.

 

[momloverson]

I tend to the painfully slow burn side of the spectrum because I am much more interested in the barriers being crossed than how quickly I can get to the destination.

To the point where I can hear some readers getting frustrated (despite the ample warnings in the author's notes).

In many ways I may be exploiting the genre because of the challenges it creates between the participants. I want the awkward, the tentative, the irresistible pull and the trembling surrender more than I actually want to have a brother/sister dynamic. Is there a married co-worker dynamic that works just as well? Not sure.

But just watching two characters go at it without any reason to consider whether they should doesn't really motivate me as a writer. So a quick stroke sibling story makes even less sense than one that takes place between two single adults who duck out of the bar for a quickie 10 minutes after they've met.

It only took a dozen or so of those in real life before I realized that no matter how hot the girl was, they lacked something that always left me wondering why they weren't more satisfying.

yes , the entire fun is in barriers being crossed slowly, the tension, the tease, the buildip, the no no, the yes yes between characters....especially mother son makes it so damn hot....wish writers like @Senor_Smut are more active

 

[momloverson]

I tend to the painfully slow burn side of the spectrum because I am much more interested in the barriers being crossed than how quickly I can get to the destination.

To the point where I can hear some readers getting frustrated (despite the ample warnings in the author's notes).

In many ways I may be exploiting the genre because of the challenges it creates between the participants. I want the awkward, the tentative, the irresistible pull and the trembling surrender more than I actually want to have a brother/sister dynamic. Is there a married co-worker dynamic that works just as well? Not sure.

But just watching two characters go at it without any reason to consider whether they should doesn't really motivate me as a writer. So a quick stroke sibling story makes even less sense than one that takes place between two single adults who duck out of the bar for a quickie 10 minutes after they've met.

It only took a dozen or so of those in real life before I realized that no matter how hot the girl was, they lacked something that always left me wondering why they weren't more satisfying.

I too want the awkward, the tentative, the irresistible pull and the trembling surrender in a mother son dynamic.

 

[LonRivers]

Short one shot stroke stories are fun. I have a much longer story in mind that I would love to write, and I think it will be loved by my readers, but I am finding it hard to keep it as an incest story. I don't know why. I started to write it two years ago after I retired, and ended up making it a clean Mother/Son story (non incestuous) and it fizzled as I wrote it. I still keep it in my mind though.

Another issue I am facing is the content. They are both highly trained killers, and I don't know if that will be approved by Literotica. My story can go on and on for a long time. Each chapter taking place in another country or at another point in their life. So I have to plot it out just right. It's a hassle to say the least.