Incest along more realistic lines

[Lee Chambers]

Almost every story I've read about incest that involves the mom or dad catching their children having sex together or with cousins or the other spouse has the parents eventually drawn into the sex.

But what about a more realistic view? What if the parents discovered their children and were just completely disgusted with the idea and didn't get drawn into some kind of web of lust? What if they insisted their children go to therapy for what they've done or shunned them all together?

Thoughts?

 

[BlackSnake]

Almost every story I've read about incest that involves the mom or dad catching their children having sex together or with cousins or the other spouse has the parents eventually drawn into the sex.

But what about a more realistic view? What if the parents discovered their children and were just completely disgusted with the idea and didn't get drawn into some kind of web of lust? What if they insisted their children go to therapy for what they've done or shunned them all together?

Thoughts?

I would go with the shunning. "Therapy" not a chance. Reason being, incest is illegal. Knowing that a crime is being committed, the therapist must report it.

Even with the shunning, the family would still care and maybe try to talk them out of the unholy union. The parents would have a vested interest in not allowing the word to out about the deemed disgusted act.

On second thought, the parents don't shun them, but try to get their children to see how harmful it is for them.

Going that way, I would make matters worse by the female getting pregnant. Since the parents is so forthright, they don't insist on the girl getting an abortion.

As with every good/bad Lit story, we get a happier ending where the mother accepts that there is no changing her grown children, but she insists that they keep their affair a secret even from her.

 

[Fantasies_only]

I would go with the shunning. "Therapy" not a chance. Reason being, incest is illegal. Knowing that a crime is being committed, the therapist must report it.

Even with the shunning, the family would still care and maybe try to talk them out of the unholy union. The parents would have a vested interest in not allowing the word to out about the deemed disgusted act.

On second thought, the parents don't shun them, but try to get their children to see how harmful it is for them.

Going that way, I would make matters worse by the female getting pregnant. Since the parents is so forthright, they don't insist on the girl getting an abortion.

As with every good/bad Lit story, we get a happier ending where the mother accepts that there is no changing her grown children, but she insists that they keep their affair a secret even from her.

Legallities aside, you must consider the stress factor and mental instability.
Let's say a son wants to do it with his mom.
This is a normal Oedipus complex, but what if the mom wants to do it with her son as well, as she struggles with legal and moral implications in her own mind.
She would seek a psychiatrist and the rapist (I mean therapist) for this.
Events may have even occured in her own life that started this, such as a childhood friend raping her as a kid, a father who wasn't there for her as a child, as her mother stripped for a living to pay the bills.
Even getting pregnant at an early age, then being raped by 2 of her best friends.

Reality just screws things up.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Well... along the lines of the old joke: "What does a girl in Alabama call her lover?.... Uncle Bob."... There's always that route which would get away from all the moralistic bullshit.

The other option is to create your own alternate universe (Sci-Fi) where everyone does their sisters, mothers, brothers, fathers, etc.

The point is, this is fiction - not real life. Maybe you are over-thinking this deal.

 

[Fantasies_only]

By the way, my post was based on someone I used to know, by E-mail.
Can't say who it is.

 

[Akito01]

Almost every story I've read about incest that involves the mom or dad catching their children having sex together or with cousins or the other spouse has the parents eventually drawn into the sex.

But what about a more realistic view? What if the parents discovered their children and were just completely disgusted with the idea and didn't get drawn into some kind of web of lust? What if they insisted their children go to therapy for what they've done or shunned them all together?

Thoughts?

Although I don't have a firm story line ready to go based on this, I have given a lot of thought to this ever since I came across your post. Essentially, I completely agree with the notion that a sexy fantasy, especially one dealing with taboo, works better when it at least 'feels' like something that takes place in the real waking world.

It also reminded me of one of the first letters to Penthouse that I'd read that stuck with me, because it delt with a young woman who was describing how she came to have a sexual relationship with her brother, and was upset that her parents strongly disapproved when they found out.

It was a long letter, and I can remember almost every detail (such as the fact that, by her own description, she was not very pretty but had a very large chest, and practically had to rape a boy in her science class to lose her virginity). She was on a double date with her brother, and everyone had gotten drunk and stoned. When the boys had stepped out to take a leak, the two women ended up switching positions when the brother's girlfriend passed out from the bed to the floor. When the guys came back in, the brother lept onto the body on the bed, only realizing well after penetration what had happened, announcing in a faux-Mexican accent, "I theenk I'm fucking my seeester!" After that night, the two came to the conclusion that there wasn't anything wrong with fucking together, and so made it a habit after their parents were asleep.

It was her position that having a sexual outlet with her brother was much better than going out with any old sleazebag if she wanted to get laid, with the same benefits for the brother. In the reply to the letter, the editor pointed out to here that there were a great many things wrong with this kind of incest, especially if she happened to get pregnant during these escapades, and that her parents had every right to be upset, even if the two siblings were old enough to make their own sexual decisions.

Now, I can't claim to know if the letter was complete nonesense or not, but as a bit of late-70s white trash sleaze, it certainly felt real, which is why it became such a compelling fantasy for me (though I don't have a sister myself). I've yet to do an incest story yet, but when I do, it will certainly be in this context.

 

[fille]

Almost every story I've read about incest that involves the mom or dad catching their children having sex together or with cousins or the other spouse has the parents eventually drawn into the sex.

But what about a more realistic view? What if the parents discovered their children and were just completely disgusted with the idea and didn't get drawn into some kind of web of lust? What if they insisted their children go to therapy for what they've done or shunned them all together?

Thoughts?

I'm guessing that, although that's much more realistic (and perhaps much more appropriate), it simply wouldn't make for a very erotic story.

 

[Fantasies_only]

Now, I can't claim to know if the letter was complete nonesense or not, but as a bit of late-70s white trash sleaze, it certainly felt real, which is why it became such a compelling fantasy for me (though I don't have a sister myself). I've yet to do an incest story yet, but when I do, it will certainly be in this context.

I don't share your preference for reality in erotica or porn, but I think it's a mistake to mix the two regardless.

When I read the stories here, I consider it a successful story if I can get an erection just by reading it.
Some stories are real good without doing this, but that's just me not being in the mood.
If I am "in the mood" however, a reality soaked porno will not get me off, even if you use the word "erotica".

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I'm guessing that, although that's much more realistic (and perhaps much more appropriate), it simply wouldn't make for a very erotic story.

I think realistic and appropriate are two entirely different things in fiction. It's the writers job in porn to take completely inappropriate activities and make then realistic and "live" for the reader. That's what writing is all about.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

I'm guessing that, although that's much more realistic (and perhaps much more appropriate), it simply wouldn't make for a very erotic story.

spot on with that comment. the realistic version probably wouldn't go down to well in the Lit forum. It'd be a great read otherwise though. An opportunity for the writer to explore the subject and bring the characters to life.

 

[Lee Chambers]

The reason I brought this topic up was because I thought the idea might make interesting reading. When I go on Lit, I find two types of stories...stories that I read to get off on and stories I read because they're interesting. Some of the best, high ranking stories on Lit are ones that I can't really get off on but they're some of the best reading as far as entertainment value goes.

So many stories deal with the "family orgy" complex I simply thought that something different with a little variety would be good to throw into the mix.

 

[Fantasies_only]

The reason I brought this topic up was because I thought the idea might make interesting reading. When I go on Lit, I find two types of stories...stories that I read to get off on and stories I read because they're interesting. Some of the best, high ranking stories on Lit are ones that I can't really get off on but they're some of the best reading as far as entertainment value goes.

So many stories deal with the "family orgy" complex I simply thought that something different with a little variety would be good to throw into the mix.

For those kind of stories, you can't add anything sexual, even if it isn't a fictional based story.

Comedy, drama, and mystery can all be in it, but not sex or sexual encounters.

 

[BlackSnake]

Legallities aside, you must consider the stress factor and mental instability.
Let's say a son wants to do it with his mom.
This is a normal Oedipus complex, but what if the mom wants to do it with her son as well, as she struggles with legal and moral implications in her own mind.
She would seek a psychiatrist and the rapist (I mean therapist) for this.
Events may have even occured in her own life that started this, such as a childhood friend raping her as a kid, a father who wasn't there for her as a child, as her mother stripped for a living to pay the bills.
Even getting pregnant at an early age, then being raped by 2 of her best friends.

Reality just screws things up.

Hmmm...from what I understand, prior trama is not always the case. Some come from very good homes and had been raised in a well rounded environment. It is just a situation that they find themselves in.

What I try to do is come up with a reason why a mother is fucking her son. It doesn't have to be a good and moral reason, just a reason that I can go with.

 

[Lee Chambers]

For those kind of stories, you can't add anything sexual, even if it isn't a fictional based story.

Comedy, drama, and mystery can all be in it, but not sex or sexual encounters.

Why not?

 

[Lee Chambers]

Hmmm...from what I understand, prior trama is not always the case. Some come from very good homes and had been raised in a well rounded environment. It is just a situation that they find themselves in.

What I try to do is come up with a reason why a mother is fucking her son. It doesn't have to be a good and moral reason, just a reason that I can go with.

Speaking from personal experience, it isn't always a matter of prior trauma. Sometimes it's simply a matter of sexual attraction and not being concerned over much about moral or legal implications...until you're caught, that is.

 

[Never]

I'm guessing that, although that's much more realistic (and perhaps much more appropriate), it simply wouldn't make for a very erotic story.

As a realistic incest story would likely be a story of the sexual abuse of a minor by a family member, I tend to agree.

Nonconsent and incest are the most popular fantasies because they deal with rather disturbing realities.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

As a realistic incest story would likely be a story of the sexual abuse of a minor by a family member, I tend to agree.

Nonconsent and incest are the most popular fantasies because they deal with rather disturbing realities.

And, unfortunately, in my experience, Nonconsent stories especially create the greatest share of meanless negative feedback, such as "Go back to writing 101. You must be one sick fuck." (Actual quote)

Those stories are not read, they are abused regardless of their value.

Incest, on the other hand is popular with a large segment of the Lit readers. However, they all have the same single element in comon: None argue the reality or morality but only fictionalize the act.

 

[Never]

Jenny_Jackson:
"And, unfortunately, in my experience, Nonconsent stories especially create the greatest share of meanless negative feedback, such as "Go back to writing 101. You must be one sick fuck." (Actual quote) "

Mindless knee-jerking is always amusing. Doubly so as in order to read what the "sick fuck" wrote you have to go to a porn site and search through the non-consent section. I mean, it's not as though this person went to the grocery store to buy milk and walked back to their car to find a rape story stuck under their windshield wiper.

" Incest, on the other hand is popular with a large segment of the Lit readers. However, they all have the same single element in common: None argue the reality or morality but only fictionalize the act."

To Neverize something RisiaSkye said, "No fantasy is so horrible as to actually hurt another." If so, I'm certain puppy dogs would be dying by the truckload in a twenty-five mile radius around my house.

 

[Lee Chambers]

Mindless knee-jerking is always amusing. Doubly so as in order to read what the "sick fuck" wrote you have to go to a porn site and search through the non-consent section. I mean, it's not as though this person went to the grocery store to buy milk and walked back to their car to find a rape story stuck under their windshield wiper.

Hmm...your ideas intrigue me and I wish to learn more.

 

[fille]

And, unfortunately, in my experience, Nonconsent stories especially create the greatest share of meanless negative feedback, such as "Go back to writing 101. You must be one sick fuck." (Actual quote)

Those stories are not read, they are abused regardless of their value.

Incest, on the other hand is popular with a large segment of the Lit readers. However, they all have the same single element in comon: None argue the reality or morality but only fictionalize the act.

You may have a point about at least a segment of those who read the "nonconsent" stories, but I believe many studies have shown that nonconsent fantasies are very prevalent among women - not because women actually want to be forced to do anything sexual, but because the lack of consent part allows them to have a guiltless fantasy about doing something they would otherwise feel too guilty to do. I think that accounts for some of the popularity of those stories. Obviously, the presence of those stories is difficult for people who have actually had such an experience, just as the presence of incest stories is probably tough for those who have been abused by family members. Doesn't mean it's wrong to read or write them, but just recognizing that some people find them hard to take for good personal reasons.

 

[Fantasies_only]

For those kind of stories, you can't add anything sexual, even if it isn't a fictional based story.

Comedy, drama, and mystery can all be in it, but not sex or sexual encounters.

When I said that, I meant reality based stories.

Why not?

I can see drama in fiction, and drama in reality, but sex cannot be reality based and still be something to get off on.

 

[fuzzy guy]

I'm guessing that, although that's much more realistic (and perhaps much more appropriate), it simply wouldn't make for a very erotic story.

AMEN. The point of these stories(above most else--is to be erotic!!)



That being said, a non-traditional incest sex story, that is more realistic I would read!!!! (I'd try it atleast ONCE). Out of curiousity.


(p.s. Fille... your AV.)

 

[Lee Chambers]

When I said that, I meant reality based stories.

I can see drama in fiction, and drama in reality, but sex cannot be reality based and still be something to get off on.

Ok, I'm confused. Please elaborate on this a little more because I'm still not understanding this.

The story idea I originally had involved regular erotica incest, ideally between brother and sister (although it can work with other combinations as well). You have the steamy sex scenes with them, but eventually they get caught by family members who freak out rather than get intrigued and turned on.

The couple that is caught has to deal with the fact that their family knows what is going on. Maybe they are sent to counseling for something like this. Maybe the parents decide to send one or both away to private schools or send one of them to live with other relatives far away.

The idea is to write a story that is erotic but has the elements of a real storyline.

But maybe that's not something everyone enjoys in their erotica.

 

[Akito01]

Ok, I'm confused. Please elaborate on this a little more because I'm still not understanding this.

The story idea I originally had involved regular erotica incest, ideally between brother and sister (although it can work with other combinations as well). You have the steamy sex scenes with them, but eventually they get caught by family members who freak out rather than get intrigued and turned on.

The couple that is caught has to deal with the fact that their family knows what is going on. Maybe they are sent to counseling for something like this. Maybe the parents decide to send one or both away to private schools or send one of them to live with other relatives far away.

The idea is to write a story that is erotic but has the elements of a real storyline.

But maybe that's not something everyone enjoys in their erotica.

Personally, I think it's an entirely valid story idea, since all your asking for is a more realistic background within which the sexual action takes place, and to explore the consequences a bit, which also means giving the characters a little more depth in terms of their motivations (which don't have to be ugly, even if they are misguided or wrong). I'm actually willing to give the brother-sister scenario a shot, with the parents kicking the two out of the house. I think it can be done and still be an erotic story.

 

[Lee Chambers]

Personally, I think it's an entirely valid story idea, since all your asking for is a more realistic background within which the sexual action takes place, and to explore the consequences a bit, which also means giving the characters a little more depth in terms of their motivations (which don't have to be ugly, even if they are misguided or wrong). I'm actually willing to give the brother-sister scenario a shot, with the parents kicking the two out of the house. I think it can be done and still be an erotic story.

That's exactly the idea I had in mind.