Inappropriate Republican behavior

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Who feels entitled enough to-

Behave as if the world was their private residence? Who will say anything, anywhere, no matter who it offends ?

Crossing the boundary of good manners and good sense- Republican Representative Steve Vaillancourt, Manchester, New Hampshire

During debate on a voter identification bill- "Sieg Heil." said by Rep. Steve Vaillancourt Who was the phrase used against ? House Speaker Bill O'Brien

Rep. Vaillancourt is ruled out of order, and was told to sit down, by Speaker Bill O'Brien.

Vaillancourt challenged the notion that he offered a Nazi salute.

“There was no Nazi salute at all,” Vaillancourt said, suggesting that he did not offer a Hitler hand motion, only a verbal offering.

Excuse for saying such a thing? Rep. Steve Vaillancourt took exception to the Speaker of the House’s handling of a procedural issue.

What was the result? Speaker O'Brien demanded that Vaillancourt be removed from the House unless he apologized.

Vaillancourt rose to apologize but was reportedly shut down by O’Brien when he did not immediately apologize.

O'Brien then attempted to have Vaillancourt removed from Representatives Hall by the sergeant at arms and later, the New Hampshire State Police.

Vaillancourt, however, refused to budge from his seat, and stayed through the rest of the session and into the recess.

May 15, 2012

http://concord-nh.patch.com/articles/rep-s-sieg-heil-causes-furor

After the House went into recess, Vaillancourt left his seat, and the hall. Vaillancourt felt he was entitled to vent his displeasure- "It's about time we rise up and say,
"No more tyranny. "No more autocracy." "Everybody should be treated fairly in this House and any Democratic body."
(Vaillancourt was prevented from bullying his way into taking someone else's time, and prevented from taking other people's rights away, and he does not like it.)

Vaillancourt tried to re-enter the hall and return to his seat. He found Statehouse security and state police there to escort him out.

In order to forestall a House member physically removed from the chamber, the House passed a resolution offering Vaillancourt the chance to apologize.

Vaillancourt's response to the concern and consideration that was shown to him?

"It took three tries, but state Rep. Steve Vaillancourt, R-Manchester, offered both the Speaker and the representatives of the House an apology."

"As I was saying before, I cannot apologize for anything I did not do," Vaillancourt said.

"As Vaillancourt received a smattering of applause and returned to his seat, the committee huddled with O'Brien and determined that the apology wasn't acceptable."

"After some back and forth, with O'Brien stating to Vaillancourt that there were members in Representatives Hall that had family members
who were victims of the Holocaust and had fought in World War II, Vaillancourt made another statement that the speaker did not believe
was a direct apology."

"Speaker O'Brien then demanded a direct apology from Vaillancourt and Vaillancourt made it."
 
Vaillencourt's apology attempts-

"So I will never use a German word again, including (unintelligible German) meine damen und herren," Vaillancourt said.

His first three apologies were not deemed acceptable, but the fourth one was accepted.

"Again, I apologize to the chair of the House for using those inflammatory German words," he said.

Vaillancourt was still upset about the initial procedural matter that set him off,
and mouthed off. (Vaillencourt has not learned anything, after putting everyone through this ordeal!)

"It's a Stalinist tactic. It's the tactic of a tyrant," Vaillencourt said.

(Vaillencourt wants to do what Vaillencourt wants to do, anytime Vaillencourt wants to do it, and fuck everybody else that is waiting in line?)

House Speaker Bill O'Brien said Tuesday's incident was not the first time representatives have had problems with Vaillancourt.

"It seems to happen every session: the House, or the leadership of the House, has to call him out and say, 'Bring yourself back to order,'" Speaker O'Brien said.

Check out the tweets!-

http://concord-nh.patch.com/articles...peaker-o-brien

1.- After debating @NHHouse speaker, Rep. Vaillancourt is ruled out of order, told 2 sit down, He responds w/ #NAZI salute & yells "Sieg Heil"

2.- O'Brien tries to have Rep Vallaincourt kicked out of Reps Hall. Vallainciurt leaves for 2the seconds. Comes back. #NHhouse

3.- O'Brien tries to have Rep Vallaincourt kicked out of Reps Hall. Vallainciurt leaves for 2the seconds. Comes back. #NHhouse

4.- #NHHouse Rep. Vaillancourt leaves Reps Hall for about 5 sec & then walks right back in & sits down in his seat.Debate over SB 289 continues

5.- Seems it was not successful since Rep Vaillancourt is back in his seat. Speaker will tarnish his 100% voting record @NHRepRichardson

6.- #nhhouse Speaker ordered #GOP Rep Vallaincourt removed fr chamber 4 Lack of order. Rep didn't leave. Sgt/Arms has not been able 2 Remove him

7.- Vaillancourt first legislator ejected from House in at least a decade possibly two. #NHHouse

8.- #NHHouse Rep Jasper moves Rep Vallaincourt can return if he apologizes to #NHHouse for #Nazi salute & yelling "Seig Heil".

9.- Will Rep Vaillancourt's constituents be disenfranchised bc the #nhhouse may require an apology? Should the Speaker also apologize? #circus

10.- #NHHouse Rep. Soltani speaks against apology motion, says #Nazi salute and "Seig Heil" was not offensive.

11.- Can anyone recall a majority or minority party fighting with itself, and creating so much enmity within the chamber? #nhgop #GOP

12.- I raise my hand in total embarrassment. I want to crawl under my uncomfortable pleather seat @NHLFDA @NHKathySullivan #nhhouse #nhpolitics

13.- I will not vote to compel someone to apologize. It is his conscience. Speaker stated he will allow Rep Vaillancourt to return no matter.

14.- I have to vote against motion "to allow Rep back if he issues apology". Can't force apology as condition to return. Either return or not.

15.- #NHHouse votes 238-103 for Vaillancourt to apologize to House.

16.-Vaillancourt says he did not say Hitler on #NHHouse floor.

17.-#NHHouse appointing committee to investigate Vaillancourt now and meet with him on the apology.

18.- #NHHouse says Rep. Vaillancourt is not allowed back in #NHHouse Rep. Hall unless he apologizes. Vote is 238-103. He refuses & won't leave

19.- Rep V invited to apologize. "I'll apologize as I deem fit & I did not mention Hitler." No denial of the Seig Heil; 300+ heard it.

(so much, for Rep. Vaillancourt's denials that he never said it, did not say it very loud....300 people heard him say it !)

20.- #nhhouse security about to forcibly lift Rep from his seat. News cameras all over. This will be tonight's news. State Police here now.

21.- Wow--just when you think it cannot get any stranger, Speaker of #nhhouse appointed a subcommittee to determine when he will apologize

22.- @NHRepRichardson tweeted a photo of police approaching Vaillencourt about leaving the House chamber. #NHHouse

23.- @NHRepRoberts Tweets that police ejection of Vaillencourt not going well. He won't leave #NHHouse.

24.- #nhhouse cannot seem to move forward--your tax dollars at work and much time wasted... This is so frustrating.

25.- Voter ID amendment passes #NHHouse. Full bill coming up.
 
State legislatures full of querulant yahoos? Say it ain't so!
 
The idiots talk their Hitler crap here too.

Republicans for the most part are out of touch, scared little pussies.

I'd like to bitch slap the lot of them.
 
Gay and marriage are two words that don't belong together in a sentence or in practical life. It's wrong for countless reasons. Blacks even understand this by a wide majority. If they get it why can't you:confused:
 
Everyone else in the legislative chamber is respectful, formal, business like, and adopts the appropriate manners and speech.

Rep. Steve Vaillancourt is disrespectful, flippant, smart arsed, has a smart Alec clownish/mocking attitude.

Rep Steve Vaillancourt could have adopted a dignified and sober manner, and treated the Speaker and attending legislators with respect-
He treated everything as a joke, instead, in spite of the consequences, not only to himself, but to his fellow supporters.

He took the opportunity that was given to him, to take jabs and stabs, and to make matters worse.

People behind the scenes went through much trouble for him, and he repaid them by making a horse's behind of himself, and everyone involved.

video

NH State Representative Steve Vaillancourt's Apology (ies)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvHosfIoX1c

During the event, and after the incident, he was dishonest, deceptive and told outright lies.

Post- incident foolishness, said by Representative Steve Vaillancourt to the press

(video available)

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/...lawmaker-says-sieg-heil-removed-from-chamber/

When asked if he could see why people would take exception to his actions, Vaillancourt responded, “I can’t see that at all.
Only ignorant people would say that. In fact, I talked with a Jewish member and she said she thought that absolutely not.
I’m probably the most pro-Semitic, pro-gay, the most pro-black, the most pro-everybody being treated equally,” said Vaillancourt.

“So that’s a canard, a vile canard.”
 
Gay and marriage are two words that don't belong together in a sentence or in practical life. It's wrong for countless reasons. Blacks even understand this by a wide majority. If they get it why can't you:confused:

You pooped in the wrong theead.
 
Gay and marriage are two words that don't belong together in a sentence or in practical life. It's wrong for countless reasons. Blacks even understand this by a wide majority. If they get it why can't you:confused:

Yeah, I'm just sure that blacks support having a SEPARATE BUT EQUAL form of marriage for gays.

Because, after all, they were so happy with that arrangement in race relations.

The whole argument is about the religious right trying to make their theology into secular law.

Nehemiah Scudder is coming!!!
 
And, we get down to the heart of the matter-

"Vaillancourt made the (Heil Hitler) comment, after O'Brien stopped debate on the bill."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...eil_removed_from_chamber/?p1=Well_Local_Links

O’Brien had restricted what Vaillancourt could say about the full bill, saying that he could not reference
the House Election Law Committee’s discussion, only the issues presented in the committee report.

The bill, in question-

May 15, 2012

After months of heated debate over voter rights, the New Hampshire House voted in favor of Voter ID legislation, 226 to 115.

Senate Bill 289 requires that a voter present one of four types of photo ID when voting, and if they are unable to produce a
valid ID, they must sign a voter affidavit and have their photo taken. The bill, which was passed with a House amendment,
now goes back to the Senate.

Amendment to SB 289-FN

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/amendments/2012-2169H.html

I. Requires that a voter be asked to present proof of identity to vote in person. Voters who prove identity by executing a qualified voter
affidavit shall be photographed or execute an affidavit of religious exemption.
II. Requires that the secretary of state pay the cost for a picture identification card upon presentation of a voucher to the division of motor vehicles.
III. Establishes minimum sentences for certain voter fraud violations.


At every hearing of New Hampshire's House Election Law Committee, speakers representing the elderly, disabled and other
often-disadvantaged voters have testified their constituents would face substantial burdens under SB289. At every hearing,
witness after witness has pointed to the fact that there's no evidence our state's citizens are committing voter impersonation fraud.
 
Crossing the boundary of good manners and good sense- Republican Representative Steve Vaillancourt, Manchester, New Hampshire

I took the media's point- Vaillancourt made an extremely inappropriate remark, and did "who knows," what else.

But, for all the coverage from all the media outlets, the reports left me dissatisfied. Something was missing.

Looking at it from another angle- Why did it happen? What is the dynamic that is fueling such extremes?

From the exterior- Could Representative Rep. Steve Vaillancourt have made his point, in some other way? What was his point?

What was it, that Rep. Steve Vaillancourt wanted to bring out into the open?

Does speaker O'Brien have a history of ignoring rules and courtesies, as he pushes his agenda through? What is his agenda?

What was the subtext of the "Seig Heil " story? What was the chain of events leading up to Vaillancourt's outburst ?

May 16, 2012

Rep. Steve Vaillancourt of Manchester, an outspoken critic of O'Brien, felt the speaker had restricted the remarks
of a Democratic lawmaker on a voter identification bill and allowed a Republican to waver off topic.

He called for a point of order, and he and O'Brien began speaking over each other.

- New Hampshire NPR Audioclip contains the disordered argument between
Speaker O'Brien and Vaillancourt-

- Speaker O'Brien is not playing the part of the dignified leader with calm authority.

- O'brien is vehement, nasty tempered and hateful. Vaillancourt is confrontational and just as loud.

Vaillancourt argues back to O'brien about the prior debater's Hutchen's spiel-

What does an investment firm have to do with letting college students use their college IDs to be able to vote?

(Hutchens Investment Management, Inc., an independent investment advisor managing $100 million+ in assets for equity and multi-asset portfolios announced today that it has merged with New Leaf Asset Management, LLC.)

http://boston.citybizlist.com/7/201...nt-Merges-with-New-Leaf-Asset-Management.aspx

audio only

http://www.nhpr.org/post/obrien-vaillancourt-flap-center-busy-contentious-state-house-session

"Are you willing to treat everybody fairly or not?" bellowed Vaillancourt.

"Rep. Vaillancourt, another outburst like that and you'll be removed from the hall," warned O'Brien, a Mont Vernon Republican.

What was it that needed to be discussed? The House amendments are much more stringent, than is to the Senate's preferences.


House Democratic Leader Terie Norelli of Portsmouth said Vaillancourt's comments were clearly "inappropriate and unacceptable,"
but accused the O'Brien-led House of "a lack of decorum for the last year and a half."

House Democratic Leader Terie Norelli -"When you allow some people to boo and not others, when you allow some people to clap and not others
. . . when you are disrespectful to members who ask legitimate parliamentary questions, this is where you end up," she said.

Speaker O' Brien's idea of fair-

February 11, 2012

The anti-bullying bill, filed by Rep. Susan Emerson, targeted House Speaker Bill O'Brien, whom Emerson said had bullied her
when she tried to add money back to last year's budget.

Speaker O'Brien has denied Emerson's allegations that he called her into a private room, backed her against a wall and screamed at her.

http://m.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20110410/NEWS/104100332&template=wapart

April 08, 2012

Rep. Tim Copeland, R-Stratham is a witness-

Copeland said just before his meeting with O'Brien, he stood outside a meeting room and heard O'Brien loudly berate another
Republican lawmaker, Rep. Susan Emerson of Rindge, who had proposed an amendment to restore some funding to the
Health and Human Services budget. Emerson left the room in tears.

Copeland speaks-

"It was embarrassing. There was a group of school children a few feet away waiting to sing the national anthem and you could hear
him shouting at her. The children could hear it and the teacher with them could hear it," Copeland said. "The teacher asked me,
'Is this the way you do things?' and I said 'It shouldn't be this way.'"

Rep. Tony Soltani speaks-

O'Brien has continually violated House rules and (in the redistricting vote) he welched on his word in front of the whole House.

Rep. Donna Schlachman speaks-

"What I see mostly (with O'Brien) is disrespect for the practice of the House and his treating too many members with disrespect."

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20120408-NEWS-204080330

The plain and simple answer about O'Brien? The friendly and loyal opposition agreement is dead. Wolves dressed as sheep moved in.

Koch supported Republicans are following the agenda that has been agreed to, all over the USA.

- No abortion, no gay marriage, no taxes, no support services for those in need, no voting rights for the elderly, the disabled,
college students, or immigrants,and exceptions to benefit Christians and big businness at every turn.

The attitude toward the 103 Democratic members in the House, is dismissive. The Democrats will never get with "the program."

The few left in the Republican party, that battle for reasonable treatment of taxpayers in the state of NH, are disregarded.

Why would Democrats get with this program-

Doubling the research-and-development tax credit was a bipartisan initiative.
The bill is supported by Gov. Lynch, and Democrats and Republicans in both the House and Senate.
This bill should already be on its way to the governor's desk for his signature.

Unfortunately, the House Republican leadership decided to hijack the research-and-development tax credit and attach anti-choice legislation to it.
 
Both republicans and democrats both serve the exact same wall-street financier special interests.

Your votes are futile, our government and elected representatives have corrupted beyond repair. From this point on, what we know as the world is essentially an endless freefall down an eternal abyss of perpetual war, corporate greed, corruption, more greed, crony politics, lies and deception, and general dystopia.

Or in other words, human beings at their finest..

Humanity has no future.

God help us all, if he actually exists for that matter....

http://www.starpathvisions.com/Pluto%20n%20Capricorn_files/smallprisonplanet.bmp
 
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One day, a corrupt humanity will colonize other planets and spread their parasitic greed and corruption throughout the universe.
 
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The whole argument is about the religious right trying to make their theology into secular law.

The whole argument is about The Gay Cult and the extreme social left trying to eliminate gender and any differences between males and females in society, as well as to seize even more power and control for themselves.

The public actually gets it. The Gay Cult and the extreme social left have finally crossed a bridge too far and your absurd, bizarre, and obviously non-sensical distortion of the question doesn't even make sense to them. Why not give it a rest?

Oh, and on this Vallaincourt or whatever, I would have given O'Brien the finger instead, but whatever works. ;)
 
I’m probably the most pro-Semitic

I thought I coined that term. Lol.

I'm neutral-Semitic myself. I will call out the pro-Semites when they are wrong. Hey, somebody has to do it, don't they?
 
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