In Laws = Incest?

[HandsInTheDark]

Something has puzzled me for ages:

From Wiki:- "Levirate marriage is a type of marriage in which the brother of a deceased man is obliged to marry his brother's widow, and the widow is obliged to marry her deceased husband's brother."

At no time in the explanations is the marriage status of the said brother given.
Does it matter if he's already [and happily] married ?

The practice varied; in some cases it didn't matter. Plenty of societies have allowed for multiple wives, and back when women weren't given many ways to support themselves, they needed to be attached to a household to survive, so it became a family responsibility to arrange it. To modern ears that's bad in handfuls of ways; but in the day it solved a real problem. In some (Judiasm comes to mind) they were also expected to procreate, because everyone was.

In some ways the recent past was more manipulative about A Woman's Place than some ancient societies. These are all real ads from an era some people here are old enough to have seen:

http://www.funnyjunk.com/Turns+out+you+gals+are+useful+after+all/funny-pictures/5319361/

So I wouldn't judge the ancient societies with undue harshness. We're not that far past similar attitudes. I find it interesting that some of those ads qualify as fetish material today; a lot of offbeat sexuality is just another expression of some very ancient views on relationships, driven to fetish status because they're currently not politically correct.

 

[sr71plt]

Something has puzzled me for ages:

From Wiki:- "Levirate marriage is a type of marriage in which the brother of a deceased man is obliged to marry his brother's widow, and the widow is obliged to marry her deceased husband's brother."

At no time in the explanations is the marriage status of the said brother given.
Does it matter if he's already [and happily] married ?

Is that from a time that featured multiple wives?

 

[ishtat]

The practice varied; in some cases it didn't matter. Plenty of societies have allowed for multiple wives, and back when women weren't given many ways to support themselves, they needed to be attached to a household to survive, so it became a family responsibility to arrange it. To modern ears that's bad in handfuls of ways; but in the day it solved a real problem. In some (Judiasm comes to mind) they were also expected to procreate, because everyone was.
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In ancient Semitic society women had a stronger hand than first appears. Government was patriarchal but inheritance was matrilineal. The women re-married for protection, the men so that their family would retain or acquire property. Jacob didn't put in 7 years apiece for Rachel and Leah just for fun. He served his time for their property rights as well.

If you study the biblical battles when the Israelites fought near neighbours they killed all the men but tended to preserve their women. When they fought foreigners they killed the lot, men women and children - sensible property management.

 

[jaF0]

^^^^ Dude ... it's FICTION! Made up BS. Written by a bunch of buffoons drunk on bad wine stored in old goat parts.

Gotta learn to stop taking it as fact.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

^^^^ Dude ... it's FICTION! Made up BS. Written by a bunch of buffoons drunk on bad wine stored in old goat parts.

Gotta learn to stop taking it as fact.

We're talking about marriage customs and aside from Jacob, verifiable history. Unclear why you think it's fictional, and I do not think you're the sort that can provide a rationale, so I won't wait for one.

I'd find your lack of political correctness vaguely interesting if I didn't happen to feel that the Jews have collectively had more than enough shit dumped on them. Since you seem to have no problem dissing either the history or beliefs of millions, I have no problem adding you to the basket of happy deplorables that is my iggy list. Have a great day.

 

[Handley_Page]

^^^^ Dude ... it's FICTION! Made up BS. Written by a bunch of buffoons drunk on bad wine stored in old goat parts.

Gotta learn to stop taking it as fact.

which bit's fiction then ?

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

As an incest aficionado I would say that anything involving in-laws or step-relations doesn't interest me in the slightest. As far as I'm concerned there has to be a blood relationship to make the story remotely worthwhile. I suspect my view is quite common among incest/taboo readers, but I might be wrong. If I were you I'd post the story in another category or just accept a fairly apathetic response from the incest-loving readership.

 

[SusanJillParker]

As an incest aficionado I would say that anything involving in-laws or step-relations doesn't interest me in the slightest. As far as I'm concerned there has to be a blood relationship to make the story remotely worthwhile. I suspect my view is quite common among incest/taboo readers, but I might be wrong. If I were you I'd post the story in another category or just accept a fairly apathetic response from the incest-loving readership.

Seriously (lol)? Anything involving in-laws or step-relations doesn't interest you in the slightest? Yeah, right.

I betch if your sexy, MILF of a mother-in-law undid her bikini top and asked you to put suntan lotion on her back and on the back of her legs that you'd have an erection.

I betch if your sexy, MILF of a mother-in-law turned to her back and asked you to put suntan lotion on her naked breasts that you'd have a sudden interest in having sex with your mother-in-law.

I betcha if your sexy, MILF of a mother-in-law asked to see your cock, stroke your cock, suck your cock, and fuck your cock that you wouldn't turn her down.

"Sorry Mom, but sex with my mother-in-law does nothing for me."

Yeah, right?

I betcha if your sexy, tipsy, step-sister walked in your bedroom in the early hours of the morning after breaking up with her boyfriend, that you'd show her more compassion than you think you would.

"I'm so sad after breaking up with my boyfriend. I can't sleep alone. May I sleep with you? Please? Just for tonight?"

"Sure, Veronica, you may sleep with me."

"You don't mind me removing my nightgown, do you? I always sleep naked," she said removing her nightgown and posing on the bed as if she was an artist's nude model.

"Oh, my God! You're my step-sister. This is sexually inappropriate. This is forbidden. This is incestuous. Get out of my room."

Yeah, right.

 

[jaF0]

^^ I think the point is that 'by marriage' isn't the same thing as 'by blood'. Mom-in-law may indeed be arousing, but it isn't the same as Mom's blood sister, Aunt Alice.

And I would consider Step-Sister Stephanie to be fair game; not off-limits in any way.

 

[SusanJillParker]

^^ I think the point is that 'by marriage' isn't the same thing as 'by blood'. Mom-in-law may indeed be arousing, but it isn't the same as Mom's blood sister, Aunt Alice.

And I would consider Step-Sister Stephanie to be fair game; not off-limits in any way.

I've written hundreds of incest stories and as far as I'm concerned a brother-in-law and sister-in-law story can be just as sexually titillatingly forbidden as a brother and sister story. A mother-in-law and son-in-law and a father-in-law and daughter-in-law story can be just as sexually titillatingly forbidden as a mother and son and father and daughter story.

To me, there is no difference. Forbidden, sexually inappropriate, incestuous sex, is just as sexually exciting as forbidden, sexually inappropriate, incest.

Whether you're in bed with your mother, mother-in-law, father, father-in-law, sister, sister-in-law, brother, or brother-in-law, it makes little difference to those who don't understand incestuous lust whether blood related or not.

When, drunk enough and/or sexually aroused enough, any man would have sex with any woman regardless of the relationship.

"Oh, my God, Johnny. Put on your clothes. I'm your grandmother for God's sake."

"Suck it, Grandma. Suck my cock."

"Okay but, our forbidden secret, don't tell grandpa that I blew you."

 

[sr71plt]

^^ I think the point is that 'by marriage' isn't the same thing as 'by blood'. Mom-in-law may indeed be arousing, but it isn't the same as Mom's blood sister, Aunt Alice.

And I would consider Step-Sister Stephanie to be fair game; not off-limits in any way.

I look at it more in terms of the authority of one over the other and the extent of their role as a protector/guider of the other. For me, this has more resonance than the DNA issue does. I have an e-book out there under a pen name that a reviewer went after because there was sex between a man and a younger man who were biological father and son. The son had been raised away from the father, though. I would see the son having sex with a step uncle who had raised him as more incestuous than with a father who had not.