I'm seriously fucking pissed off and I'm sorry

[KillerMuffin]

And I have no idea why I'm angry. I'm just very, very, very angry.

I have been flashin all over the Internet being flat out mean. If I've been mean to you, I apologize for it. I'm still pretty pissy so this isn't totally sincere at the moment so don't accept the apology.

I'll be properly remorseful later. You can beat on me at will until then.

 

[Dirty Slut]

Sounds like serious frustration to me...

Whether of the writer's kind, or something that has happened to you of late in your personal life I wish you well my dear. As you are well aware, by the way you worded your thread here, this too will pass. Hopefully the glass will be a little fuller for the rant, and not emptier. Whatever the cause, we're here for you Muffin.

DS

 

[alltherage]

Fo on be pissed, it is a crappy world and being pissed off is as good as any other way to be on any given day. Unless, of course, you plan on killing. If I am not your homicidal object then by all means go right ahead. Less people means more air for me.

 

[Guest]

KM: I'm sorry but your words are empty, Drest in a little brief authority*, which you too much abuse (you've ranted cruelly and unnecessarily once too often in public, for an adult figure of authority on this site).

If you're in pain I am compassionate, from one woman to another; but you are not an ordinary Lit. member - too many know you and respect you, fear you or flatter you.

I do not.

Perdita

*Measure for Measure (II, ii)

 

[KillerMuffin]

I am truly remorseful for abusing newbies today. I really wish that I hadn't done it. You can't delete what's been said. You can't take back what you've done. And the simple fact is that even though the method I used to deliver it was wrong and uncalled for, I honestly do feel that way about people who come here asking for feedback. So, in light of that, I can't apologize for it. That would be wrong, too.

From one asshole to another, Perd. You're deluding yourself. I have no authority in the hangout sugarplum. I'm just as good and just as bad as you are. If you think I do, well, you can look in the mirror and figure out whose fault that is. If you want to assign me status here, Roderigo, rest assured it's only because you're doing so and not because The Duke of Literotica decided to let me do her dirty work. She's not like that. And if you think for a single moment that I would trade on my friendship with her to get special privileges or that she would even let me do that, than you've got a serious problem and it makes me wonder why you'd even bother to hang out at a place run by people you think so poorly of.

 

[Guest]

Just to be clear, it's not You that keeps me here, KM. I'm glad you elaborated on your remorse though. 'nuff said.

Perdita

edit, p.s.: You mistook my use of authority, the word. I do believe I have as much authority on this site as you and many others. We earn it or lose it (by abuse) was my point. I truly do hope you recover from your rage but I wll not kiss your ass, nor expect anyone (besides a couple blokes) to kiss mine. Que te vaya bien, KM.

 

[gauchecritic]

So, in light of that, I can't apologize for it. That would be wrong, too.

Well I've said so, often, about apologies.

And if you think for a single moment that I would trade on my friendship with her to get special privileges or that she would even let me do that, than you've got a serious problem and it makes me wonder why you'd even bother to hang out at a place run by people you think so poorly of.

On the other hand, using assigned motives for being rude and ungracious, is worth apologising for.

But what do I know, I never apologise. (Hardly)

Gauche

 

[Madame Manga]

KM, not everyone who gives feedback here is looking to benefit from an equal transaction. Sometimes a writer feels like improving her crit skills without the pressure of a formal arrangement, or the vulnerability of giving out her own stuff for dissection. How exactly does that scrape any skin off your nose? Call me a sucker, but charity does good things for the giver too. I think most people around here are capable of ignoring requests for feedback without turning the baby birds into roasted squab. ;-)

MM

 

[pop_54]

Hmmmmm

As one who has problems getting a strop with the kids when they misbehave badly, and never flit about the net deliberately upsetting folks for whatever reason, I'm not really qualified to answer, but I can never see any point issuing an apology for something you intend to carry on doing Muffie.

If you cause offence, you cause offence, it's obviously in your makeup to do so, no point apologising later, just have your fun and sod it.

pops..........

 

[MathGirl]

Re: Hmmmmm

just have your fun and sod it.

Dear Pop,
What's it with you English? Always going on about lawns.
MG

 

[MlledeLaPlumeBleu]

I actually agree with everything KM said. Even the way she said it. I probably would have said considerably worse.

In this instance she wasn't even abusing any particular newbie- more the concept of newbie-ism at large. But are these people actually "newbies" by this board's definition? Are they here to post and contribute?

Or is it merely that they look at the long list of non-reciprocatory mewlings for feedback on the story feedback board and think they'll give it a shot here, and bypass the bread lines?

And don't one of you dare say you've never felt slighted by the constant stream of would-be writers clamoring for masturbatory crumbs. I won't believe it.

We all know that giving feedback is a draining, involved experience- even when it's enjoyable and productive. In fairness, it should be mutually beneficial. And in most cases of new writers- it isn't enjoyable OR productive.

People don't read the FAQs, people don't study examples. People serve up cliches like cold tongue without the slightest awareness. People laundry-list cup sizes and appearances. And I for one, am offended that anyone, after seeing the content, intellect and bent of this board, would waste my time with a half-baked Russel Stover pinched loaf of easily avoidable cherry pit-falls. It basically means that they didn't stop to read a single post before spewing their self-serving pleas for validation- otherwise they would realize that this is an Author's Lounge, a salon. We're not here to give back-alley handjobs- we're here to discuss both frivolous and literary things within a mutually stimulating environment.

We teach people how to treat us. That's the end issue. If we reinforce misuse of this board, we will always have kling-ons begging for crumbs.

Let's welcome newbies, but as for the psychic vampires- kindly stake 'em. All it requires is what Gauche initially said: "The feedback board is that-a-way. Have a nice day."

Nicola


Oh, and incidentally- I'm half American. I suppose that taint of yankee demon-seed explains my coarse and inexcusable outlook and expression, yes? Because after all, we Americans sprang fully formed from Beelzebub's asshole, and were personally breast-fed by George Bush...

 

[KillerMuffin]

Okay. Look.

I was being a total bitch. Why are you people being nice to me? If a newbie did this, you'd be lots meaner.

I don't want people to kiss my ass, Perd. I have enough of an ego as it is. I just don't like it when I think someone is being mean to Laurel. She just totally rocks. There's nothing quite so gauranteed to turn me into a mindless rabid doberman.

I'm sorry for being a total bitch. I'd love to say it'll never happen again, but it usually does.

*sigh*

 

[MlledeLaPlumeBleu]

I wasn't being nice.

I'm just a real cunt myself.

True to tell....

 

[Wantonica]

I'm having a hard time with this entire line of thought. I have been here a few months and have seen KM offer editing assistance, be kind and fun, dig on people for indiscretions to newcomers, and then *BAM* completely run over unsuspecting newbies with spiked chains on her tires. Have we no stability here whatsoever? I put respect where it belongs, and am trying to determine whether it is deserved here.

Happiness,
Wantonica

 

[Dirty Slut]

Funny thing about respect is...

We give it out freely at first site. The hard thing is trying to keep it the rest of your life, isn't it?

DS

 

[gauchecritic]

have seen KM offer editing assistance, be kind and fun, dig on people for indiscretions to newcomers, and then *BAM* completely run over unsuspecting newbies with spiked chains Wantonica

I was going to mention the words 'time' and 'month' then stereotypically thought better of it.

Gauche

 

[Madame Manga]

Is there any such thing as a 24-hour timer lock switch for a computer? So if you really shouldn't be posting online at a particular time, you can flip that switch and save yourself from your own folly.

Heaven knows I need something like that every now and then. ;-)

MM

 

[Gabriel_Lee]

Oh, and incidentally- I'm half American. I suppose that taint of yankee demon-seed explains my coarse and inexcusable outlook and expression, yes? Because after all, we Americans sprang fully formed from Beelzebub's asshole, and were personally breast-fed by George Bush...

You have a lovely way with words. The other half must have had a more heavenly origin.

GL

 

[CWatson]

Originally posted by Wantonica
I'm having a hard time with this entire line of thought. I have been here a few months and have seen KM offer editing assistance, be kind and fun, dig on people for indiscretions to newcomers, and then *BAM* completely run over unsuspecting newbies with spiked chains on her tires. Have we no stability here whatsoever? I put respect where it belongs, and am trying to determine whether it is deserved here.

re Stability, I think KM addressed that herself in the "Thick-skinned assholes" thread. re Running over n00bs with spikes... Well, people have bad days sometimes. KM was definitely over the line--I mean, she could've just kept it to HERSELF, or at least put it in a place where the newbs themselves wouldn't take offense--but I hesitate to write anyone off for one offense, excessive or otherwise. If everyone did that, we'd have a friendshipless world.

*shrugs*
*two cents rattle off into cyberspace*

 

[MlledeLaPlumeBleu]

Gabe

Your best hope....

 

[Destiny]

More then likely....

I have been reading alot of posts from the argument between Dr. M. and the girl that I can't remember how to spell her name. TO other little fits from other people. As a 'newbie' I am more then likely gonna get lambasted for this, but here it goes.

KM: People are the way they are because they can be. I work with the public on a daily basis. I sit in my little chair with my headst on and fuss and because some guy or gal on my phone who thinks that they are a computer god doesn't want to listen to me the person they are calling for help. They should read the manual for thier phone it gives them direct instructions. I want to rant and scream at them and say'hey you fucking called me for the help so shut up and do what I tell you so we can finish'. Do I do it no...because I want to keep my job. The reason I am saying this is merely this.

Some, not all, but SOME of these people who write thier stories more then likely have been timid about writing these stories. Hell it takes alot of work as WE ALL KNOW to put something together that makes sense, is fun to read, AND grabs the attention of someone else to say hey this is a good story. So for them to come here and post is a big deal. Most people love feedback, I myself can't stand criticism but hell you gotta take the good with the bad. This is a ramble I just realized so I will get to teh point.

You did what you did because in my eyes you felt you were justified people should have read the manual.

Ok blast away I prolly(yeah its spelt the way I wanted it to be deal) deserve it.

 

[TheEarl]

Okay. Look.

I was being a total bitch. Why are you people being nice to me? If a newbie did this, you'd be lots meaner.

I don't want people to kiss my ass, Perd. I have enough of an ego as it is. I just don't like it when I think someone is being mean to Laurel. She just totally rocks. There's nothing quite so gauranteed to turn me into a mindless rabid doberman.

I'm sorry for being a total bitch. I'd love to say it'll never happen again, but it usually does.

*sigh*

KM: Sorry to say this, but you were a bit of a bitch. I hate the one post wonders who desire feedback as much and probably more than the next guy, but you went a bit over the top.

Destind has a point: For every 100,000 newbies who are just there for annoyance value, there's probably a Chicklet or Mathgirl in waiting who could add something to the board if they're made to feel welcome. I'm not saying you should roll out the red carpet for every newbie, but I'm not sure screaming at two newbies for the annoyance value garnered from 400 helps.

Try letting it out in little bursts at each particular newbie. Or just do what I do and ignore every thread that says: 'My first story!!!!'

The Earl

 

[snooper]

... I really wish that I hadn't done it. You can't delete what's been said. You can't take back what you've done. ...

Just go to your post, click on edit, replace all the text with
Deleted - second thoughts!
I never cease to be amazed what Litwrinklies don't know. <shakes head sadly>

... why you'd even bother to hang out at a place run by people you think so poorly of.

Faut mieux?

 

[gauchecritic]

Just go to your post, click on edit, replace all the text with
Deleted - second thoughts!
I never cease to be amazed what Litwrinklies don't know. <shakes head sadly>

Faut mieux?

Oh Snooper, did you not read what she typed. "You can't delete what's been said ". Not typed or posted but said.

Tsk tsk.

Gauche

 

[KillerMuffin]

Exactly, gauche. You can't make what's been said go away no matter how creative you get with the edit button. I can't make myself smell like a rose over this. Sophia has already read it. Editing it at this late date doesn't take it out of her memory, does it? Instead, editing it makes people who come in late ask "What's going on? What did she do?" and that does what? Help? No. Editing yourself anytime outside of the free minute causes more problems than it solves. It's the cowards way out. You go ahead and erase your Lit-past if you're so inclined. I may be a bitch, but I'm an ethical bitch. If someone wants to know what kind of a person KM is, it's all there, unedited. I don't apologize to save face. I don't edit my posts because that doesn't make what I did go away--it just makes it shady. When you air your dirty linens in public, it's too late to pretend it didn't happen. People can form honest opinions on me based on my behavior because it's all there. Good and bad.

If you don't like me, that's your lookout. If you don't respect me, that's your lookout. However, I'm not going to hide what I did behind a prettied up post so that way if someone else happens to hop onto the board after the fact, they have the same opportunity to see me just as I am that you've had. Perfection is not something I aspire to and I'm not hypocrite enough to think that perfection is something I should make sure I look like.

I apologized in the end because Gauche is right. Whatever my opinions, what I did was wrong. I didn't apologize for anyone else but Sofia. She deserved to be treated like a human being and so that's what I did. Like I told her, I can't make it go away. I don't excuse it. I don't even expect her to do anything with that apology but understand that I regret treating her so badly.

FYI, since some of you think my business is intimately yours, I have not heard back from hans##### yet. Since he did not return, I did it via email where he would be sure to get it.