Illinois License Plate Cameras Are Violating People's Constitutional Rights, Says New Suit

[BeatMan]

Can state police track drivers everywhere they go via hundreds of license plate cameras? A new lawsuit says that Illinois' widespread use of such cameras—called automatic license plate readers (ALPRs)—violates the Fourth Amendment's prohibition against unreasonable searches because it breaches citizens' reasonable expectations of privacy.

The complaint—filed by two residents of Cook County, Stephanie Scholl and Frank Bednarz, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois on May 30—names the Illinois State Police (ISP), ISP Director Brendan F. Kelly, Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul, and Gov. J.B. Pritzker as the defendants.

"Defendants are tracking anyone who drives to work in Cook County—or to school, or a grocery store, or a doctor's office, or a pharmacy, or a political rally, or a romantic encounter, or family gathering—every day," the lawsuit states, "without any reason to suspect anyone of anything, and are holding onto those whereabouts just in case they decide in the future that some citizen might be an appropriate target of law enforcement."

https://reason.com/2024/06/14/illin...-peoples-constitutional-rights-says-new-suit/

 

[Bray123]

'If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide'.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Can state police track drivers everywhere they go via hundreds of license plate cameras? A new lawsuit says that Illinois' widespread use of such cameras—called automatic license plate readers (ALPRs)—violates the Fourth Amendment's prohibition against unreasonable searches because it breaches citizens' reasonable expectations of privacy.

The complaint—filed by two residents of Cook County, Stephanie Scholl and Frank Bednarz, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois on May 30—names the Illinois State Police (ISP), ISP Director Brendan F. Kelly, Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul, and Gov. J.B. Pritzker as the defendants.

"Defendants are tracking anyone who drives to work in Cook County—or to school, or a grocery store, or a doctor's office, or a pharmacy, or a political rally, or a romantic encounter, or family gathering—every day," the lawsuit states, "without any reason to suspect anyone of anything, and are holding onto those whereabouts just in case they decide in the future that some citizen might be an appropriate target of law enforcement."

https://reason.com/2024/06/14/illin...-peoples-constitutional-rights-says-new-suit/

Excellent!!! About fucking time with that bullshit. I wish them the best of fortune.

 

[Bray123]

You carry a government-issued identification on your vehicle, then whine about the government looking at the identification.
It's the MAGA way.

Here's a suggestion, add a photograph of the owner to the plate. Then you can use it as Voter ID.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Which right are they taking away?

 

[Bray123]

Which right are they taking away?

The right to drive their lifted truck to DC and get involved in another coup attempt without worrying about being 'taken hostage' afterwards.

 

[Lazaran]

Excellent!!! About fucking time with that bullshit. I wish them the best of fortune.

Wat is a scared, paranoid little punk.

That ^ explains all the gunz.



Wat

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The right to drive their lifted truck to DC and get involved in another coup attempt without worrying about being 'taken hostage' afterwards.

We certainly don't want to take away any rights from future J6'ers.

 

[lovecraft68]

We certainly don't want to take away any rights from future J6'ers.

I agree, the Antifa cos-players have the same rights sniveling whiny Nazi's and racists like you do.

 

[lovecraft68]

'If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide'.

Pretty much.

Because if you want to extend this idea, then why should anyone even register a car? Oh, no, they know what car I drive and where I live!

This is what people worry about.

 

[Bray123]

Pretty much.

Because if you want to extend this idea, then why should anyone even register a car? Oh, no, they know what car I drive and where I live!

This is what people worry about.

The daft thing is, they need millions of cameras to track a motorist. That's static cameras that monitor traffic 24/7, not the sort that's mounted on cop cars and need to be right next to the car to read. Europe have that level of coverage but not anywhere in the US.

On the other hand everyone is carrying a phone which is easily tracked from tower to tower even when not being used.

 

[lovecraft68]

On the other hand everyone is carrying a phone which is easily tracked from tower to tower even when not being used.

But as 90% of the country is addicted to their phone...they somehow don't care about that.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I agree, the Antifa cos-players have the same rights sniveling whiny Nazi's and racists like you do.

Funny how none of the J6’ers confessed to being Antifa when they were charged.

 

[Comshaw]

A couple of questions: Are they really using the cameras to track EVERYBODY? Hmmmmm...seems to me that would take a lot of resources and manpower, like ALL of the manpower and most of the resources of a department. And is there some kind of expectation of privacy while a person is in public? I believe there have been court cases on that issue. "You can't take my picture because it's an invasion of my privacy even though I'm in public!"

Comshaw

 

[Rightguide]

Can state police track drivers everywhere they go via hundreds of license plate cameras? A new lawsuit says that Illinois' widespread use of such cameras—called automatic license plate readers (ALPRs)—violates the Fourth Amendment's prohibition against unreasonable searches because it breaches citizens' reasonable expectations of privacy.

The complaint—filed by two residents of Cook County, Stephanie Scholl and Frank Bednarz, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois on May 30—names the Illinois State Police (ISP), ISP Director Brendan F. Kelly, Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul, and Gov. J.B. Pritzker as the defendants.

"Defendants are tracking anyone who drives to work in Cook County—or to school, or a grocery store, or a doctor's office, or a pharmacy, or a political rally, or a romantic encounter, or family gathering—every day," the lawsuit states, "without any reason to suspect anyone of anything, and are holding onto those whereabouts just in case they decide in the future that some citizen might be an appropriate target of law enforcement."

https://reason.com/2024/06/14/illin...-peoples-constitutional-rights-says-new-suit/

Except one has no expectation of privacy in a public place.

 

[Bray123]

A couple of questions: Are they really using the cameras to track EVERYBODY? Hmmmmm...seems to me that would take a lot of resources and manpower, like ALL of the manpower and most of the resources of a department. And is there some kind of expectation of privacy while a person is in public? I believe there have been court cases on that issue. "You can't take my picture because it's an invasion of my privacy even though I'm in public!"

Comshaw

Exactly

This has been explored at length in Europe over the years, where they are much less camera-averse than the US. The data is stored on servers and available for research as and when required. Some vehicles are put onto databases for alerts (such as stolen cars) but the rest is just backed up until weeded. It was used extensively for J6, retrospectively researching the MAGA buses that travelled to DC. Other uses might be to work out who is trafficking Fentanyl from the border to a northern city, who is carrying ladies to abortion clinics in adjoining states, or even who took a politician across state lines to meet underage girls.

But without more cameras capturing reliably all traffic 24/7 along major roads it's all hot air.

 

[jaF0]

Cameras watching open roads is one thing. Bad things can be caught and stopped before they get worse. Assault suspects have been tracked from the point of the crime to wherever that police can detain them.


But I've always been opposed to citations issued by mail based solely on a camera. Citations should only be issued in person at the time and location of the infraction.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Cameras watching open roads is one thing. Bad things can be caught and stopped before they get worse. Assault suspects have been tracked from the point of the crime to wherever that police can detain them.


But I've always been opposed to citations issued by mail based solely on a camera. Citations should only be issued in person at the time and location of the infraction.

Why?

 

[jaF0]

It's the only way they can PROVE who was driving at that moment. Moving violations need to go to the driver, not the vehicle or vehicle's owner.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Pretty much.

Because if you want to extend this idea, then why should anyone even register a car? Oh, no, they know what car I drive and where I live!

This is what people worry about.

I honestly see no good reason why cars should be registered.

Horses aren't registered. Bicycles aren't registered.

Hell guns aren't registered and the fact that cars are registered is one of the biggest "arguments" for why they should be.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's the only way they can PROVE who was driving at that moment. Moving violations need to go to the driver, not the vehicle or vehicle's owner.

They only need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, that’s what court is for.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

'If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide'.

Anyone who ever unironically says that deserves a bullet in the brain-pan.

Where I live, smoking weed is still considered "doing something wrong." I happen to like smoking weed, though only on rare occasions these days.

At one time, I liked cocaine and meth as well. I'm better now, but I doubt I would have been made better any quicker if I hadn't managed to hide it and Uncle Sam was able to toss me in the hoosegow over it.

I personally have never had any interest in soliciting a prostitute, but I'll bet a lot of Literotica posters do. You want the pigs to know where your pimp lives?

But as 90% of the country is addicted to their phone...they somehow don't care about that.

Well, you can always leave your phone at home before you go to visit your weed dealer or the local meth cook. Can't really do that with your license plate.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I honestly see no good reason why cars should be registered.

Horses aren't registered. Bicycles aren't registered.

Hell guns aren't registered and the fact that cars are registered is one of the biggest "arguments" for why they should be.

Because they weigh about 2 tons and travel at high speeds.

 

[Bray123]

Anyone who ever unironically says that deserves a bullet in the brain-pan.

Yes, it was totally ironic. As said by the Right Wing every time some inner-city dweller complains about yet another 'random' police check.

When police activity is aimed at them, suddenly people don't like it.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Because they weigh about 2 tons and travel at high speeds.

Horses are statistically more dangerous than cars are.

People interact with dangerous stuff all the time.

Got any throw rugs in your house? Those things kill more people each year than ATV's. The made us register ATV's here a few years ago, and yet I don't hear anyone suggesting that we should register throw rugs.