Illegal Aliens Hit The Lottery

[zeb1094]

The Senate has passed, and will now send to a conference committee with the house, a bill on illegal immigration. Here is how the bill proposes the 12 million illegal aliens in this country be handled:
1. Those who have been in the country illegally for between 2 and 5 years...get to join a temporary worker program. That means they get to stay here. That means their illegal actions are being forgiven and rewarded. That's amnesty.

2. Those who have been in the country illegally longer would go on an 11-year probation, then get citizenship. Again ... .amnesty. And just how in the hell are they going to prove they've been here for more than 5 years? Why, with the same forged documents they used to get jobs!

3. Oh...and they'd have to learn English, pay a penalty and clear up any back taxes. OK ...so they have to buy their amnesty. And learn English? Mark these words. They'll have to answer a multiple-choice quiz on some simple English phrases. That's it. You could learn what they will have to know in one weekend.
There is no denying this .. there is no getting around it ... this is amnesty. Yet another reward for the lawbreakers. Depending on your motivation, these Senators have either listened to their leaders promising them a new era of Democrat control with the votes of millions of new Hispanic voters, or they've listened to the businesses in this country who have profited through the use of cheaper illegal labor. Who aren't they listening to? No secret there. They aren't listening to us.
You have to wonder if Mexican President Vicente Fox brought a few suitcases of cash with him on his recent trip to the United States. First of all, this plan not only does nothing about the 12 million illegals here. Does anyone really think the illegals that have been here less than 2 years are really going to be returned to Mexico? Fat chance.

Second, what effect do they think these kinds of laws are going to have on future illegal aliens? The message will be heard loud and clear: break into the United States, buy your time for 2 years doing odd jobs...then you get a guest worker program. We're encouraging people to break the law. Why not just take down the fence and tell everybody to come on down?
Now the House says that there is not going to be any amnesty. No way, no how. Ain't gonna happen. Sorry ... my money is on the Senate bill and amnesty. Here's something else you can bank on. The Mexican invasion of the United States will continue unabated. Sure, they're promising to seal the borders in this bill. They made the same exact promise in their last amnesty bill in 1986. Eleven million invaders have crossed since then. There is no will to stop them now.

 

[impressive]

Why not just take down the fence and tell everybody to come on down?

I agree. That, after all, is the principle upon which this country was founded.





(Psssst! Zeb, you've got some bigotry on your shoe. Don't track it into the house, please.)

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I think it's sad, that people who have tried to follow the rules and tried to do what i srequired are still sitting on the outside looking in, while those who broke the law are being rewarded.

It stinks. And the sobs who passed it stink. And their corporate masters stink.

But they think they are above the law, so it makes sense their work here pays no heed to those who have followed it. They are just suckers.

 

[zeb1094]

I agree. That, after all, is the principle upon which this country was founded.

(Psssst! Zeb, you've got some bigotry on your shoe. Don't track it into the house, please.)

Not bigotry Imp, not Racist, just the truth.

Tell you what I need a place to stay in the Northeast in a week...just leave your door open so I can move in for a while, eat your food, use you shower and thumb my nose at your complaints.

I will however, clean up after myself so you shouldn't have any complaints when I have a few hundred friends over for a party on Wednesday night.

 

[AngeloMichael]

Why not just take down the fence and tell everybody to come on down?

Works for me.

 

[zeb1094]

Works for me.

Must be nice to be placed behind a criminal when you're standing in line...to get into school.

In California and most other states an illegal alien gets prefference over citizens of other states when applying to an in state University? They also pay less than out of state students.

No that's fair isn't it?

And I now looks as if they are on the fast track to citizenship.

 

[AngeloMichael]

I, for one, welcome our new latino overlords.

 

[zeb1094]

I, for one, welcome our new latino overlords.

Have fun...

 

[English Lady]

It looks like a good idea to me, it's dealing with a problem in a way that might actually work, it might help if you make legal entry into the country easier so people don't have to resort to illegal entry too, but I'm with those who want tp pull down the fence and let'em in. I'm the same about my own country too. We have so much, the immigrants give us so much and have given us so much over the years -why should it become such a problem now?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

In California and most other states an illegal alien gets prefference over citizens of other states when applying to an in state University? They also pay less than out of state students.

Why you'd use California as an example for anything is beyond me. That aside, I'm fairly certain that the above statement needs two important changes.

In California and most other states an hispanic (minority) applicant gets prefference over white (majority) applicant when applying to an in state University?

Colleges strive for diversity in all areas. Staffing, student body, curriculum, etc. Some more than others, but it is the way.

 

[zeb1094]

Why you'd use California as an example for anything is beyond me. That aside, I'm fairly certain that the above statement needs two important changes.

In California and most other states an hispanic (minority) applicant gets prefference over white (majority) applicant when applying to an in state University?

Colleges strive for diversity in all areas. Staffing, student body, curriculum, etc. Some more than others, but it is the way.

No my statement was correct. Whether your hispanic or not, if you are currently residing in the state illegally, not a US Citizen, not here in this country legally, they have preference over Citizens and they pay less than an out of state Citizen, as under most state laws you are concidered a resident of that state whether you are in the country illegally or not.

To me that is just unfair to those of us who happen to be lucky enough to have been born here or have went through the arguous task of coming to this country legally.

 

[minsue]

This says it far more eloquently than I ever could

 

[zeb1094]

And I bet the rules for immigration to othere nations are so simple?

 

[AngeloMichael]

This says it far more eloquently than I ever could

ROFLMAO!

 

[AngeloMichael]

And I bet the rules for immigration to othere nations are so simple?

If all the other nations jumped off a cliff would you want us to do that too?

 

[minsue]

And I bet the rules for immigration to othere nations are so simple?

The reason I'm about to apply for residency in the UK is that it's a hell of a lot easier for me to get in there than it is for Mats to get into the States. Financially, it's not our best option, but there is no conceivable way for Mats to legally immigrate and I'll not ask her to stay illegally. (though she has plenty of friends who have...we don't care about them though, right? They're white so they're ok.)

 

[zeb1094]

The reason I'm about to apply for residency in the UK is that it's a hell of a lot easier for me to get in there than it is for Mats to get into the States. Financially, it's not our best option, but there is no conceivable way for Mats to legally immigrate and I'll not ask her to stay illegally. (though she has plenty of friends who have...we don't care about them though, right? They're white so they're ok.)

I have really never mentioned race, country of origin yes. Personally I don't care what color you skin is, what your religion is, just that you follow the law as we (the US) is a land of law. If you want the law changed then write your congressman. Oops, that won't work, they're all to busy taking bribes.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

The reason I'm about to apply for residency in the UK is that it's a hell of a lot easier for me to get in there than it is for Mats to get into the States. Financially, it's not our best option, but there is no conceivable way for Mats to legally immigrate and I'll not ask her to stay illegally. (though she has plenty of friends who have...we don't care about them though, right? They're white so they're ok.)

But that's why I, personally am against this measure. People like mats, who will follow the law and are trying to immigrate legally, are left holding the bag. While people who have broken the law, are given a free pass.

Before any amnesty is given to those who broke the law to be here, all of those who had applied legally, up to that point, should have been processed under a much less stringent set of rules. But they won't be. They'll just be sitting there wondering if no good deed goes unpunished.

And that stinks.

 

[impressive]

This says it far more eloquently than I ever could

*snort* "How ya doin', little felon ... erm ... fella?"

 

[zeb1094]

If all the other nations jumped off a cliff would you want us to do that too?

Uh, that wasn't my point.

Tell you what...you go to Mexico and get a job and see how easy it is to send money back to the states, then we'll talk.

 

[zeb1094]

But that's why I, personally am against this measure. People like mats, who will follow the law and are trying to immigrate legally, are left holding the bag. While people who have broken the law, are given a free pass.

Before any amnesty is given to those who broke the law to be here, all of those who had applied legally, up to that point, should have been processed under a much less stringent set of rules. But they won't be. They'll just be sitting there wondering if no good deed goes unpunished.

And that stinks.

Well said.

I don't mind if you get the laws of immigration changed, just that everyone should follow the current law. It's only FAIR. Why give preferential treatment to criminals over those who are trying to do the right thing.

 

[minsue]

. . . as we (the US) is a land of law.

This is a land built by immigrants using slave labor and building on land stolen from those we killed. Is that the way we recommend anyone else who wants to come here go about it?

Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but let's not forget where we came from. At our heart, we are a country of immigrants. We are also a country of immigrants that, historically, have wanted to shut the door after each wave thinking the next wave had no right to be here.

 

[minsue]

But that's why I, personally am against this measure. People like mats, who will follow the law and are trying to immigrate legally, are left holding the bag. While people who have broken the law, are given a free pass.

Before any amnesty is given to those who broke the law to be here, all of those who had applied legally, up to that point, should have been processed under a much less stringent set of rules. But they won't be. They'll just be sitting there wondering if no good deed goes unpunished.

And that stinks.

Yes, the immigration regulations stink. However, if someone has been living and working and being a productive member of our society for a decade, I have no problem at all rewarding them by giving them a green card.

 

[zeb1094]

This is a land built by immigrants using slave labor and building on land stolen from those we killed. Is that the way we recommend anyone else who wants to come here go about it?

Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but let's not forget where we came from. At our heart, we are a country of immigrants. We are also a country of immigrants that, historically, have wanted to shut the door after each wave thinking the next wave had no right to be here.

But we are also a land of laws. Laws inacted by those same immigrants, to be followed by everyone. If the American people (citizens) think the laws are too harsh, then they have the power to get them changed by using their power to vote for those representatives who favor their view.

If you just open the boarder to anyone who wants to come here, Anarchy is soon to follow. For without laws we are nothing but animals walking through the jungle.

 

[zeb1094]

Yes, the immigration regulations stink. However, if someone has been living and working and being a productive member of our society for a decade, I have no problem at all rewarding them by giving them a green card.

Productive members of our society? Explain how sending 20 billion dollars a year to the south of our boarder is a productive member of our society? Explain how being able to collect Social Security Benefits without ever having paid into the trust is a productive member of our society?