If your faith had its dogmatic way, what would the world actually look like?

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I've always wondered what the planet would be like if the Catholics succeeded in their missionary mission and coverted the Earth, and everyone actually lived the life of Christ. Six billion people giving up their cloaks and letting tomorrow take care of itself. I'd give us a year before we all die of malnutrition and exposure.

 

[Guest]

Six billion gays and lesbians who molest children and cross dress can't be a good start.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You're looking for the class reunion thread.

 

[glorfindale39]

Well as an agnostic athiest, I disbelieve there is a god due to the fact that there is no proof of his existance. Thus I live my life based on the things I believe are ethical and that give me joy. If everyone thought like this, hell we might just have a world full of people who take responsibility for there lives, and don't hope to achive there dreams in a fabled afterlife.

Reguardless, I would hate to see anyone belief system take over the world, after all, what would we have to argue about then.

Cheers,
G.

 

[sheath]

Well as an agnostic athiest, I disbelieve there is a god due to the fact that there is no proof of his existance. Thus I live my life based on the things I believe are ethical and that give me joy. If everyone thought like this, hell we might just have a world full of people who take responsibility for there lives, and don't hope to achive there dreams in a fabled afterlife.

Reguardless, I would hate to see anyone belief system take over the world, after all, what would we have to argue about then.

Cheers,
G.

AMEN! Uhhh...I mean...right.

S.

 

[JazzManJim]

Damn it, DCL! This is an absoluely great thread and I have no time at all to answer it!

Fucker.

 

[teddybear4play]

Well as an agnostic athiest, I disbelieve there is a god due to the fact that there is no proof of his existance. Thus I live my life based on the things I believe are ethical and that give me joy. If everyone thought like this, hell we might just have a world full of people who take responsibility for there lives, and don't hope to achive there dreams in a fabled afterlife.

This is simply ignorant.

If everybody lived by most religious tenets, we'd have world peace. We don't because humans aren't perfect. Denying the existence of God won't change that.

And DCL, I have never heard in any of my Catholic schooling that tomorrow should be left to itself.

TB4p

 

[medjay]

I'm still waiting for someone to actually answer the hypotheical question that was asked.

 

[sunstruck]

Dixon you should know better.

Ask a simple religiously related question...

 

[sheath]

If my faith had its way...

We would all share wealth.

We would all live with tolerance tempered by reason.

We would all forgive one another, yet not mistake forgiveness for lack of punishment.

We would put government, by the people, actually in the hands of the people, not in the hands of elected officials.

We would subscribe to respect for everyone, with that level of respect in direct proportion to what a particular person has earned.

Of course, I could be describing a recipe for anarchy...

S.

 

[curious2c]

Okiee dokieee then...Here is my stab at the dark world we would live in then.

Lets just say for shits and giggles...that...ummm...oh say the Muslims, or how about the baptists, or maybe some other religion did achieve their goals.

First of all...everybody would believe the same things generally. Very few people would speak out against what the leaders of the church would say or teach.

The internet, Television, Newspapers, schools, would change totally and completely. There would be absoultely no porn, 'adult' chat rooms, literotica would disappear into the nether world...Oh yeah...the headlines on the newspapers and tv news shows would be how the church was doing such great things for the followers.

Bit by bit power would change and soon the whole world would be 'The' one religion of choice.

Women would not go to school be it a Muslim, Hindu, or some of the other lesser known religions and in a matter of say ten years that would be the same for the other more mainstream religions too. ALL religions want to keep the woman barefoot and pregnant, or at least in the home. No women in the job fields, just men.

All women would be wearing long, to the ankle dresses, and eventually their faces would also be required to be covered.

Prostitutes and their johns would be stoned to death when caught. Thieves would have hands chopped off or sit in rotting hell hole prisons until sickness or death took them.

If you had the nerve to disagree with a teaching of the church...well usually heretics and unbelievers are stoned to death.

Science would be crippled for ever too. If what was discovered in science did not conform to creationism and the church's view...it would never happen or be taught. It would be forbidden completely.

There would be millions out of work since a lot of jobs would dissappear due to the fact that that type of product didn't meet with the standards or 'what is allowed' . I.E....soda pop, beer, hard liguor, bars, dance clubs, magazines of certain types, Gyms for either sex's, clothing manufacturers being closed down since they made sexy or risque clothing, the list goes on and on.

That would be allright though since 'everyone' would believe the same way and think the same way too.

NO THANK YOU.

I'l take the world as it is. Even with all the EVILS, and bad things going on...it is still a much better place now than if one religion had won out in it's viewpoint. People have to have a different outlet for their views, hell, even God knew this. That is why he gave us free will and a free choice to follow him and his teachings or not.

 

[glorfindale39]

This is simply ignorant.

If everybody lived by most religious tenets, we'd have world peace. We don't because humans aren't perfect. Denying the existence of God won't change that.

And DCL, I have never heard in any of my Catholic schooling that tomorrow should be left to itself.

TB4p

Oh I love it when a theist gets defensive about anyone who threatens there belief structure....

Ignorance, okay lets check your assumptions. You say if everyone believed most religious tenants we would have world peace. Hello?! Ever hear of the crusades. More war, death and violence has been propagated in the name of those religious tenants then ever by the proponents of logic. Humans are not perfect, at least you have made one correct statement. It is however, the flaw in the psyche of human kind that causes us to fear death, and thus we have created countless myths we call religion to comfort ourselves. Second, you assume that only people who believe in a god can hold an ethical belief system. Your logic is flawed here as well. I live my life by a very structured system of ethics, but it is my conscious mind and my ability to judge that has developed these beliefs. Don't let your morals get in the way of my ethics. I find it hard to believe a god that saw how I lived my life would wish me any harm. If god created me and my rational mind in his image how could he ever expect me to believe in him. lol

Oh as to the Christian religions saying leave tomorrow to is self... The entire hook for the belief system is life after death. Eternal reward if you only tow the line during this life. I can't imagine a system more focused on not living in the present.

I support peoples decisions to believe in religion, what I don't support is people who want to try to justify something based on faith. Faith is defined as belief without proof. Hello?


G.

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

What would the world actually look like if my faith had its dogmatic way?

A huge blue ball interspersed with brown land masses and white ice caps at the top and bottom. Whisps of clouds would obscure most of the surface. All of this assumes that you are looking at the world from outer space.

Of course, if you got far enough out into space, you probably could not see it at all unless you had some really good optical instruments.

If you got close in the extreme, the view would probably be best observed through an electron microscope.

Everything else would be variations between the extremes.

Or am I reading Dixon's question too literally?

 

[Mischka]

Actually, if the entire world was atheist, it'd be a pretty boring place. Religion fuels at least half of the comedy, drama, and late night news. Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail is one of my all-time favorite movies. And religion-tinted sex is kinda fun. One of my best lays was a fundamentalist Baptist preacher that got off on having sex with a "heathen" and exploring taboos that he thought a good Christian would never indulge.

 

[Olivianna]

If my faith had its dogmatic way...

Everyone would be highly literate and proficient in at least 4 languages.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I have never heard in any of my Catholic schooling that tomorrow should be left to itself.

Matthew 6:34 - "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day."

 

[REDWAVE]

Socialism worldwide

Let's see-- no poverty, no war, no racism, no sexism, no homophobia, repair of the ecosystem, genuine democracy instead of the sham and farce we have now . . .

Yeah, it would be pretty fuckin' awful, all right.

 

[The Heretic]

Hello?! Ever hear of the crusades. More war, death and violence has been propagated in the name of those religious tenants then ever by the proponents of logic.

Hello? Ever here of the Gulags? Here we go again, somebody making unsubstantiated claims about the evils of religion vs. the good of the non-religious. Power son, power is what corrupts, whether it is invested in religion or government. And power invested in a government is a lot more effective at propogating evil than it is when invested in religion - just ask the 62 million innocent civilians murdered by the atheistic USSR, or the 35 million innocent civilians murdered by the atheistic Communist China. Where are your numbers for religion?

I am not saying that these people were murdered because these were atheist regimes - I am saying they were murdered regardless of whether the regime was religious or not. It is power that kills, not religion and not government.

 

[sunstruck]

One of my best lays was a fundamentalist Baptist preacher that got off on having sex with a "heathen" and exploring taboos that he thought a good Christian would never indulge.

Spank me preacher man!


If the world believed as I did everyone would be able to believe whatever the hell they wanted as long as they didn't persecute others or try to convert them in any way.

Everyone would look at one another with funny sideways glances, but there'd be far less war and no one would die or kill for their God.

 

[The Heretic]

I've always wondered what the planet would be like if the Catholics succeeded in their missionary mission and coverted the Earth, and everyone actually lived the life of Christ. Six billion people giving up their cloaks and letting tomorrow take care of itself. I'd give us a year before we all die of malnutrition and exposure.

I don't know if that is what would happen - and I don't think that matches your original question since there are often quite wide differences between church dogma and the fundamental tenets of a faith.

I will answer both ways; if most churches had their dogmatic way, then we would be in a world of shit. All one has to do is go back as far as a couple of hundred years ago to see what the Christian Puritans were like, not to mention the middle ages before that. Of course you can also look at what some Islamic sects have evolved into today also.

OTOH, if everybody lived by the true fundamental tenets of Christianity, which are to love God and your neighbor as we love ourselves, many aspects of life would possibly be better than they are now. But I don't believe that is really what your question asked - even though you seem to have tried to answer it that way.

 

[The Heretic]

Re: Socialism worldwide

Let's see-- no poverty, no war, no racism, no sexism, no homophobia, repair of the ecosystem, genuine democracy instead of the sham and farce we have now . . .

Yeah, it would be pretty fuckin' awful, all right.

120 million people murdered, no poverty because everybody would be equally poor, wars of subjugation, ravaging of the ecosystem (think Chernobyl - think of the way the way the USSR has totally ravaged their ecosystem), at worst no democracy because it would be totalitarian, at best no individual rights because the majority would rule.

Yep - pretty fuckin' awful.

 

[unclej]

now you've just got to be sittin' there laughin' your ass off dcl. got an honery side to you don't cha?

for me, i've always wanted an excuse to wear a dress and shave my head so i'm all for those harry crishnas takin' over.

 

[REDWAVE]

Heretic

Obviously, you're so ignorant you're unaware even of the basic distinction between Trotskyism and Stalinism.

Trotsky fought the Stalinist dictatorship just as hard as he fought capitalism.

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

What about the other "isms"

Like Maoism, Pol Pot ism, Castroism, etc?

 

[curious2c]

What about the other "isms"

Like Maoism, Pol Pot ism, Castroism, etc?

Yeah how about that, and while we are at it heere are afew more

Nepotism, despotism, fanaticism, jism...the list goes on and on