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25% of Russian rail transport to China is down, this in a system that was already running at over 100% reasonable capacity. Two tunnels on the Trans-Siberian rail line have been blown. The Ukrainians are taking credit (not necessarily true), but it is credible that Russian dissidents did it regardless if Ukraine was involved or not.

Here's the problem. Russia is dependent, more so now than ever, on using China as a portal, and customer, for their exports. At the same time China is dependent on Russia for a good portion of the raw materials they need for their manufacturing machine. The economy of BOTH countries are going to be seriously impacted, negatively, by these events. And both nations are already in serious economic distress. The next obvious target would be the pipelines feeding oil to China.

Russia has committed most of it's military resources to the battle over in Ukraine leaving scarce resources to guard infrastructure 3 to 4 thousand miles from Moscow. The people in Siberia are not there from choice. They are the children of the old Soviet Gulag system, they have no reason to love mother Russia. More events such as these are more than likely to occur now that Putin has moved his security to the Western front. (Putin started gutting his Siberian military presence and moving them to the Ukraine theater last Spring.)

Meanwhile China isn't going to be happy about this either and demand that Putin "do something." But there's little Putin can do. Maybe China will offer to provide 'security' for the various critical infrastructures. And I can't see Putin buying into that, kinda like granny inviting the wolf in. An alternative is for China to become openly and actively engaged with Russia in subduing Ukraine, which will have even more perilous economic consequences.

While there are many that will see this as a positive note re. the Russian incursion into Ukraine (and it is), it's a reminder that there are unintended consequences that ripple into Asia as well.

Trans-Siberian Railroad.
 
Yes, Russia's invasion of Ukraine has unintended consequences.

I hope Russian citizens and Chinese citizens have recourse available to them to course correct
 
Already commented on in RussiaGuide’s Putin fan club Ukraine thread.

A few days ago…

And one man’s “worse” is another man’s better.

*nods*
 
Lemme try and understand this.
You, a person living in the country known as America, you!
You looked around the state of things and made a thread warning us of the frailty of both Chinese and Russian infrastructure?
China? And Russia?
Hmmmm, sounds as if they could benefit from a plan. An infrastructure plan. Maybe an economy boosting Build Back Better plan.
 
You really should get off the drugs.

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Needs to get off their knees and Putin’s cock.

🤣

The Ukrainians obviously saw the attacks as better, not worse. And there is a reasonable chance that attacks, like these two recent ones by the Ukrainians on critical Russian infrastructure, will change Putin’s calculus and persuade that sick, twisted fuck to pull Russian troops out of Ukraine and end the war.

Hope that ^ helps.

👍

Slava Ukraini

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"...but it is credible that Russian dissidents did it regardless if Ukraine was involved or not."

It's much more than credible. Russia is headed for another revolution unless Putin pulls out of Ukraine. A whole section of the Russian people are tired of their sons being killed for nothing. That coupled with years of dissatisfaction on how the country is being run is accumulating and have started the people thinking about how to make their lives better, by getting rid of Putin and company.

"An alternative is for China to become openly and actively engaged with Russia in subduing Ukraine,..."

This won't happen because China has another threat sitting on its doorstep, India. If they commit significant resources in troops and equipment to subjugating Ukraine, they leave themselves open and weakened to that alternative.


Comshaw
 
"...but it is credible that Russian dissidents did it regardless if Ukraine was involved or not."

It's much more than credible. Russia is headed for another revolution unless Putin pulls out of Ukraine. A whole section of the Russian people are tired of their sons being killed for nothing. That coupled with years of dissatisfaction on how the country is being run is accumulating and have started the people thinking about how to make their lives better, by getting rid of Putin and company.

"An alternative is for China to become openly and actively engaged with Russia in subduing Ukraine,..."

This won't happen because China has another threat sitting on its doorstep, India. If they commit significant resources in troops and equipment to subjugating Ukraine, they leave themselves open and weakened to that alternative.


Comshaw
I should have been clearer. I didn't mean in troops, Putin doesn't want that many Chinese, or any at all, in his borders. More along the lines of material support, lots of material support.
 
I should have been clearer. I didn't mean in troops, Putin doesn't want that many Chinese, or any at all, in his borders. More along the lines of material support, lots of material support.
That’s got to put a monkey wrench into the N Korea connection.
 
I should have been clearer. I didn't mean in troops, Putin doesn't want that many Chinese, or any at all, in his borders. More along the lines of material support, lots of material support.
They are already doing that along with Iran and North Korea. With those countries supplying them, Russia isn't going to run short of supplies, they are going to run short of manpower. But if they get many more of their young men killed that revolution I was talking about is going to be a reality and not a maybe.

Comshaw
 
They are already doing that along with Iran and North Korea. With those countries supplying them, Russia isn't going to run short of supplies, they are going to run short of manpower. But if they get many more of their young men killed that revolution I was talking about is going to be a reality and not a maybe.

Comshaw
Back to the dissidents in Siberia. Given Russia's already critical demographic problem this is probably going to be Russia's last ground war.
 
A lot of people here are either posting out of pure hate for the thread starter or the forgetfulness of history about nations lashing out in desperation to use international conflict to unite and stave off of domestic strife.

We have hard times because, well, like we see on our campuses, the Jews. Or, in this case, America...
 
Oh, wait. The haters are lashing out in desperation...


I get it now.


;) ;)
Desperation of what? Why do just say some random ass shit and then cry that you're a victim of mean people when we call you out?
 
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