If you own a gun...
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Samuari
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nope
Not on any of them. The 12 guage is kept where it is available for home defence, and everyone in the house knows where it is, and what to do with it. The magazine is loaded, but the chamber is empty. If you break in, hope that I get to it first, I taught the girls to aim at the waist.
All the others are locked in a safe.
Not on any of them. The 12 guage is kept where it is available for home defence, and everyone in the house knows where it is, and what to do with it. The magazine is loaded, but the chamber is empty. If you break in, hope that I get to it first, I taught the girls to aim at the waist.
All the others are locked in a safe.
I have a G21c. It has a lock, and is kept in a lockbox seperate from the ammo. The locks effectiveness relies basically on how careful the handler is. You always consider a gun loaded whether it is actually or not. I think they should only be sold with the lock.
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Locks are no substitute for judgement...
When I was living in the states I worked in a job where I was not only required to carry two weapons, but trained others to use them in law enforcement. I had loads of rifles, shotguns, and pistols. All of them were kept unloaded and in a full-size gun safe bolted to the house. The only guns that were ever kept out and loaded were the ones on my body and they were cocked, locked, and ready to rock. When alcohol was being served all guns were empty and locked in the safe.
One stupid moment, one careless mistake, one oversight and a gun will do its job. It doesn't care if you're innocent, guilty, or just plain stupid. There is no safe place to get shot (your body wasn't designed with a lot of extra storage space) and no matter what happens, even if you surive, it will likely fuck you up.
I love guns even though I sold all but my stainless M1911, but I was taught by professionals to never take even the smallest chance.
Another time...I'll tell you about the only time I came close to shooting someone. It's never like it happens in the movies!
When I was living in the states I worked in a job where I was not only required to carry two weapons, but trained others to use them in law enforcement. I had loads of rifles, shotguns, and pistols. All of them were kept unloaded and in a full-size gun safe bolted to the house. The only guns that were ever kept out and loaded were the ones on my body and they were cocked, locked, and ready to rock. When alcohol was being served all guns were empty and locked in the safe.
One stupid moment, one careless mistake, one oversight and a gun will do its job. It doesn't care if you're innocent, guilty, or just plain stupid. There is no safe place to get shot (your body wasn't designed with a lot of extra storage space) and no matter what happens, even if you surive, it will likely fuck you up.
I love guns even though I sold all but my stainless M1911, but I was taught by professionals to never take even the smallest chance.
Another time...I'll tell you about the only time I came close to shooting someone. It's never like it happens in the movies!
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All ours are locked up in a lock box and some with trigger locks on them .....Yes I like them alll my guns are locked but one and that one is on my body 99 percent of the time.........I belive in locks but not while you are carrying them........
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No, no Wizard! That's proper English!
You have to say:
"I'll cap yo' ass!"
or he probably won't understand.
You have to say:
"I'll cap yo' ass!"
or he probably won't understand.
My children were taught gun safety, all guns have locks on them and are locked up. All chambers are kept empty, and all guns cleaned regularly. My children learned a very hard lesson about guns very early in their lives when a 7 year old friend was killed by a handgun.
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Do I have guns? Yes a few. Trigger locks? No but mine are all under lock and key though, a secure storage area. Except for my .45. That's my home protection.
A trigger locks effectiveness in preventing shootings? They may be some what effective, but I believe education and training are a much better way.
I was hunting the woods around my place with a single shot .22 rifle by the time I was 8. My father can be a real hardass and taught me quickly what was and what wasn't permissible. I tried to pass that on to my children, in a gentler way. Both my children were shooting by the age of 5. Both were raised with guns and I spent a lot of time training them. Not only in the use of a firearm, but the consequence of such action. I made sure they could quote my number one rule in there sleep.
"Do not point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot."
I never allowed them to do that, ever. After a while it became ingrained. There were a lot of other rules and ethics I passed on to them, but that rule was and is the unbreakable one. To this day both of them are aware, almost unconsciously, where the muzzle of there firearm is pointing.
How do I feel about the law requiring trigger locks? I don't think it will do a bit of good. The idiots that know nothing about gun safety will not use them. Only those who know what a gun can do, who are aware of the horrendous repercussions of an accidental shooting will use them. And those people already have gun cabinets, gun safes or trigger locks.
Comshaw
A trigger locks effectiveness in preventing shootings? They may be some what effective, but I believe education and training are a much better way.
I was hunting the woods around my place with a single shot .22 rifle by the time I was 8. My father can be a real hardass and taught me quickly what was and what wasn't permissible. I tried to pass that on to my children, in a gentler way. Both my children were shooting by the age of 5. Both were raised with guns and I spent a lot of time training them. Not only in the use of a firearm, but the consequence of such action. I made sure they could quote my number one rule in there sleep.
"Do not point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot."
I never allowed them to do that, ever. After a while it became ingrained. There were a lot of other rules and ethics I passed on to them, but that rule was and is the unbreakable one. To this day both of them are aware, almost unconsciously, where the muzzle of there firearm is pointing.
How do I feel about the law requiring trigger locks? I don't think it will do a bit of good. The idiots that know nothing about gun safety will not use them. Only those who know what a gun can do, who are aware of the horrendous repercussions of an accidental shooting will use them. And those people already have gun cabinets, gun safes or trigger locks.
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Do I have guns? Yes a few. Trigger locks? No but mine are all under lock and key though, a secure storage area. Except for my .45. That's my home protection.
A trigger locks effectiveness in preventing shootings? They may be some what effective, but I believe education and training are a much better way.
I was hunting the woods around my place with a single shot .22 rifle by the time I was 8. My father can be a real hardass and taught me quickly what was and what wasn't permissible. I tried to pass that on to my children, in a gentler way. Both my children were shooting by the age of 5. Both were raised with guns and I spent a lot of time training them. Not only in the use of a firearm, but the consequence of such action. I made sure they could quote my number one rule in there sleep.
"Do not point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot."
I never allowed them to do that, ever. After a while it became ingrained. There were a lot of other rules and ethics I passed on to them, but that rule was and is the unbreakable one. To this day both of them are aware, almost unconsciously, where the muzzle of there firearm is pointing.
How do I feel about the law requiring trigger locks? I don't think it will do a bit of good. The idiots that know nothing about gun safety will not use them. Only those who know what a gun can do, who are aware of the horrendous repercussions of an accidental shooting will use them. And those people already have gun cabinets, gun safes or trigger locks.
By the By the correct street phrase is
"I'll buss' a cap in yo' ass, motha-fucka!"
Comshaw
A trigger locks effectiveness in preventing shootings? They may be some what effective, but I believe education and training are a much better way.
I was hunting the woods around my place with a single shot .22 rifle by the time I was 8. My father can be a real hardass and taught me quickly what was and what wasn't permissible. I tried to pass that on to my children, in a gentler way. Both my children were shooting by the age of 5. Both were raised with guns and I spent a lot of time training them. Not only in the use of a firearm, but the consequence of such action. I made sure they could quote my number one rule in there sleep.
"Do not point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot."
I never allowed them to do that, ever. After a while it became ingrained. There were a lot of other rules and ethics I passed on to them, but that rule was and is the unbreakable one. To this day both of them are aware, almost unconsciously, where the muzzle of there firearm is pointing.
How do I feel about the law requiring trigger locks? I don't think it will do a bit of good. The idiots that know nothing about gun safety will not use them. Only those who know what a gun can do, who are aware of the horrendous repercussions of an accidental shooting will use them. And those people already have gun cabinets, gun safes or trigger locks.
By the By the correct street phrase is
"I'll buss' a cap in yo' ass, motha-fucka!"
Comshaw
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Not having any children in my house, and owning a gunsafe, I see them as rather fun knick knacks to throw around and let the cats play with.
I keep all but two of my firearms unloaded. My shotgun, and my personal carry Detonics. The shotgun is kept behind my bedroom door, chamber empty, and the Detonics I keep chamber empty as well, but a full magazine inserted, in my night stand with a flashlight.
Personally I think trigger locks are a good idea, not everbody has the money to spend on getting a safe or even getting a lockable case. The fundemental things people seem to forget is that these locks still don't change the fact that a parent still has to take the time and effort to explain to their child that guns are not toys. They can and will cause serious damage if you get complacent and forget the basic rules of gun safety.
I keep all but two of my firearms unloaded. My shotgun, and my personal carry Detonics. The shotgun is kept behind my bedroom door, chamber empty, and the Detonics I keep chamber empty as well, but a full magazine inserted, in my night stand with a flashlight.
Personally I think trigger locks are a good idea, not everbody has the money to spend on getting a safe or even getting a lockable case. The fundemental things people seem to forget is that these locks still don't change the fact that a parent still has to take the time and effort to explain to their child that guns are not toys. They can and will cause serious damage if you get complacent and forget the basic rules of gun safety.
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gun locks??
The only time i ever unload my guns is when i clean them.
The mini 14's ,shotguns and things are locked in my steel gunsafe bolted to the wall and floor. My carry & house gun i
will never have a lock on it.! It is an astra constable II
double action 380 with a rolling block saftey. I keep it load with some of my own hollow point ammo. It will stop anything short of body armor or a grizzly bear, and they are not going to be very happy about it.
Trying to find a key and unlocking a gun lock is not very smart when.
1.Your half asleep.
2.can't find the damnthing in a hurry.
3.someone's breaking into your house. when you wake up you may only have a few seconds.
Of coarse you can ask them to wait until you find your key,
take your lock off, find your ammo,load it.ect..ect.
As for me and my house they will rue the day or night as the case maybe.
If kids are around i carry it or lock it up.
The only time i ever unload my guns is when i clean them.
The mini 14's ,shotguns and things are locked in my steel gunsafe bolted to the wall and floor. My carry & house gun i
will never have a lock on it.! It is an astra constable II
double action 380 with a rolling block saftey. I keep it load with some of my own hollow point ammo. It will stop anything short of body armor or a grizzly bear, and they are not going to be very happy about it.
Trying to find a key and unlocking a gun lock is not very smart when.
1.Your half asleep.
2.can't find the damnthing in a hurry.
3.someone's breaking into your house. when you wake up you may only have a few seconds.
Of coarse you can ask them to wait until you find your key,
take your lock off, find your ammo,load it.ect..ect.
As for me and my house they will rue the day or night as the case maybe.
If kids are around i carry it or lock it up.
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Some fundamental truths...
Kids...
You can train kids, you can teach kids, you can lecture kids until you're blue in the face, but they're kids. I used to keep OC spray in the car. I had explained that my son was not to touch it. It was very clear. I left him in the car while I stepped out to snap some photos on surveillance (not a dangerous job...just an insurance thing). When I got back in his face was red and streaming tears. I asked, What's wrong?" He said, "nothing." I turned on the car and when the AC came on I got a face full of OC. My thought afterwards? It could have been my gun.
Intruders and home defense...
I grew up like a lot of you...Huck Finn with a .22 and I think safe handling is pretty much the rule for those of us fortunate enough to have had the life. They are some of my fondest memories. Defending yourself against a human animal is a different story...deer don't shoot back. I didn't appreciate this until later in life when I had professional, certified training in combat and personal defence (bodyguard work...won't bore you with details). Even law officers who are fully aware, fully alert, and reasonably trained with their weapons fail to hit their target much of the time and falter in their judgement. It's not a failing on their part, it's the reality of fear, adrenalin, and unpredictability. That why good officers and agents train constantly under different conditions, levels of lights, levels of cover, etc. That's why they are trained in the force continueum as well, so they recognise the proper level of force for a response. It's hoped that if and when a shooting situation comes up the response will be automatic and appropriate. Very few homeowners wishing to defend themselves have these skills or responses. Add to the facts that when you wake up suddenly you are disoriented, uncoordinated, unfamiliar with combat and considering going up against an opponent who has had a hard life, is ready to fight, fully awake, charged with adrenalin and even drugs, and you are in a serious situation. Even if it happens when you are on your best form most of us still run around in what the "Cooper Color Code" calls white...that is...unaware of what's going on around us. Officers and agents are expected to maintain yellow. You can say you aren't...but most of us are...oblivious. We just don't go around constantly looking for danger.
Rule of 21
All of this training is intended for that fatal moment when you are in danger. That's where the "rule of 21" comes in. It goes like this. A reasonably healthy attacker with a deadly weapon--knife, club, bottle, etc--can cover a distance of 21 feet before a well-trained officer, carrying a weapon in a proper holster, can draw and fire effectively. If your weapon isn't cocked and locked on your bedstand when an intruder comes through the door a mere four or five feet away...you're gonna die. Trainees on our course (executive protection) were expected to hit a target with a score of 95 or better at 7 yards using a "triple tap" (the head is only a 2 inch target) in hopes that when the shit hits the fan they'll find some flesh to hit. Few trainees could do this until the second week of training.
I'm sure there are a lot of folks out there, even here on lit, who have more experience in this than I do. I was certifed as an instructer by the state law enforcement in these things, but it didn't end up being my carrer for more than a handful of years. It was useful to me as a writer however. I should think they could elaborate even more because of their experience.
My "shooting" incident...
I promised I'd tell this one when the time was right. Yep it's glamourous and exciting, crouched down, gunpowder smoke filling the air, the ricochet of bullets in the alley. Nope, didn't happen this way for me. It was a jam-packed pizza parlour and I was assigned to a man and his eight year old son. They wanted to eat there and I thought it would be okay...I was wrong. To cut to the chase I found myself in the far corner of the joint, facing an angry family of mamma, papa, and four strapping teenage boys. Papa was smart (he had a record), recognised the vest and the lump beneath my nylon jacket...he sat tight...hand flat on the table. Mamma was stupid. So there I wuz...face to face with a 300lb redneck woman. My mind raced. I could use OC but there were 200 people in this place with ceiling fans running full blast. Yep, I could see it, mass evacuation and me in a world of shit for it (I only had $100,000 in insurance). Hand-to-hand? Forget it...the kids would be on me like flies on shit. Out slides my gorgeous Randall stainless .45. Two seconds and she's staring down the business end. She's not impressed. She steps closer. "Click"...final safety's off. It doesn't register in her mind. She takes another step. Finger goes on the trigger, takes up the slack. She's about four pounds away from eating a Talon. I'm stunned. I hadn't been trained for this level of stupidity. It's silent in the place...she hesitates and I move so my clients can pass behind me out of the restaurant. Into the car and away we go. Happy ending? No way. I fucked up. I shouldn't have taken my clients in and I shouldn't have placed them in the far end of the restaurant even though it was the only place to sit.
Next time something like this happened I drew down on my own client. I'd never met him, he'd hired me over the phone to guard someone else. But...that's another story.
Just be careful and don't be too proud to seek out some professional training if you want to use a gun to protect yourself. I have no objection to people carrying guns for protection...I just want to know that they know what they're doing.
Happy Trails!
Kids...
You can train kids, you can teach kids, you can lecture kids until you're blue in the face, but they're kids. I used to keep OC spray in the car. I had explained that my son was not to touch it. It was very clear. I left him in the car while I stepped out to snap some photos on surveillance (not a dangerous job...just an insurance thing). When I got back in his face was red and streaming tears. I asked, What's wrong?" He said, "nothing." I turned on the car and when the AC came on I got a face full of OC. My thought afterwards? It could have been my gun.
Intruders and home defense...
I grew up like a lot of you...Huck Finn with a .22 and I think safe handling is pretty much the rule for those of us fortunate enough to have had the life. They are some of my fondest memories. Defending yourself against a human animal is a different story...deer don't shoot back. I didn't appreciate this until later in life when I had professional, certified training in combat and personal defence (bodyguard work...won't bore you with details). Even law officers who are fully aware, fully alert, and reasonably trained with their weapons fail to hit their target much of the time and falter in their judgement. It's not a failing on their part, it's the reality of fear, adrenalin, and unpredictability. That why good officers and agents train constantly under different conditions, levels of lights, levels of cover, etc. That's why they are trained in the force continueum as well, so they recognise the proper level of force for a response. It's hoped that if and when a shooting situation comes up the response will be automatic and appropriate. Very few homeowners wishing to defend themselves have these skills or responses. Add to the facts that when you wake up suddenly you are disoriented, uncoordinated, unfamiliar with combat and considering going up against an opponent who has had a hard life, is ready to fight, fully awake, charged with adrenalin and even drugs, and you are in a serious situation. Even if it happens when you are on your best form most of us still run around in what the "Cooper Color Code" calls white...that is...unaware of what's going on around us. Officers and agents are expected to maintain yellow. You can say you aren't...but most of us are...oblivious. We just don't go around constantly looking for danger.
Rule of 21
All of this training is intended for that fatal moment when you are in danger. That's where the "rule of 21" comes in. It goes like this. A reasonably healthy attacker with a deadly weapon--knife, club, bottle, etc--can cover a distance of 21 feet before a well-trained officer, carrying a weapon in a proper holster, can draw and fire effectively. If your weapon isn't cocked and locked on your bedstand when an intruder comes through the door a mere four or five feet away...you're gonna die. Trainees on our course (executive protection) were expected to hit a target with a score of 95 or better at 7 yards using a "triple tap" (the head is only a 2 inch target) in hopes that when the shit hits the fan they'll find some flesh to hit. Few trainees could do this until the second week of training.
I'm sure there are a lot of folks out there, even here on lit, who have more experience in this than I do. I was certifed as an instructer by the state law enforcement in these things, but it didn't end up being my carrer for more than a handful of years. It was useful to me as a writer however. I should think they could elaborate even more because of their experience.
My "shooting" incident...
I promised I'd tell this one when the time was right. Yep it's glamourous and exciting, crouched down, gunpowder smoke filling the air, the ricochet of bullets in the alley. Nope, didn't happen this way for me. It was a jam-packed pizza parlour and I was assigned to a man and his eight year old son. They wanted to eat there and I thought it would be okay...I was wrong. To cut to the chase I found myself in the far corner of the joint, facing an angry family of mamma, papa, and four strapping teenage boys. Papa was smart (he had a record), recognised the vest and the lump beneath my nylon jacket...he sat tight...hand flat on the table. Mamma was stupid. So there I wuz...face to face with a 300lb redneck woman. My mind raced. I could use OC but there were 200 people in this place with ceiling fans running full blast. Yep, I could see it, mass evacuation and me in a world of shit for it (I only had $100,000 in insurance). Hand-to-hand? Forget it...the kids would be on me like flies on shit. Out slides my gorgeous Randall stainless .45. Two seconds and she's staring down the business end. She's not impressed. She steps closer. "Click"...final safety's off. It doesn't register in her mind. She takes another step. Finger goes on the trigger, takes up the slack. She's about four pounds away from eating a Talon. I'm stunned. I hadn't been trained for this level of stupidity. It's silent in the place...she hesitates and I move so my clients can pass behind me out of the restaurant. Into the car and away we go. Happy ending? No way. I fucked up. I shouldn't have taken my clients in and I shouldn't have placed them in the far end of the restaurant even though it was the only place to sit.
Next time something like this happened I drew down on my own client. I'd never met him, he'd hired me over the phone to guard someone else. But...that's another story.
Just be careful and don't be too proud to seek out some professional training if you want to use a gun to protect yourself. I have no objection to people carrying guns for protection...I just want to know that they know what they're doing.
Happy Trails!
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I have guns. They are ready. They have to be. Law enforcement has a long response time where I live. We respect, but still must be able to enforce law. And because I love the constitution, everytime congress bans something, I make sure I get it before it become illegal.
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banning guns...
Shortly after I moved to England they banned the ownership of all handguns following the school killings in Scotland. Owners were required to turn them in and were told they would get £100 ($160) in exchange. Most gun owners never got their money and murders and crimes committed with handguns have increased. We are not allowed to defend ourselves. Attack an intruder, so much as touch him, and you will be arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced. We're not even allowed to possess OC spray. A farmer in the north confronted some burglers, the same ones who have plagued him for years (10 breakins in 18 months). He shot and killed one of them with a shotgun. Now he's serving life for murder.
I myself was warned by police following a road rage incident in which a man forced my Mercedes off the road and came at me. I confronted him with the steering wheel lock (he was much larger than me and obviously out of his head) which forced him to get in his car and leave. I reported it to the police, gave his registration number, and was then lectured by the police for using a "weapon". Next time I'll just run them over and say it was an accident.
There's a move afoot to allow citizens to defend themselves and it will probably end up being law. Contrary to popular belief, England is not that safe a place. We live hear a pub where people are injured, some seriously, in brawls all the time. Stabbings with bottles, "glassing", and gangs kicking the crap out of one man...or woman. The reason the crime statistics don't reflect it is that the police often take 2-3 hours to show up and even then don't file a report.
People are people the world over and, personally, I prefer the freedom to defend myself...even with a gun.
Shortly after I moved to England they banned the ownership of all handguns following the school killings in Scotland. Owners were required to turn them in and were told they would get £100 ($160) in exchange. Most gun owners never got their money and murders and crimes committed with handguns have increased. We are not allowed to defend ourselves. Attack an intruder, so much as touch him, and you will be arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced. We're not even allowed to possess OC spray. A farmer in the north confronted some burglers, the same ones who have plagued him for years (10 breakins in 18 months). He shot and killed one of them with a shotgun. Now he's serving life for murder.
I myself was warned by police following a road rage incident in which a man forced my Mercedes off the road and came at me. I confronted him with the steering wheel lock (he was much larger than me and obviously out of his head) which forced him to get in his car and leave. I reported it to the police, gave his registration number, and was then lectured by the police for using a "weapon". Next time I'll just run them over and say it was an accident.
There's a move afoot to allow citizens to defend themselves and it will probably end up being law. Contrary to popular belief, England is not that safe a place. We live hear a pub where people are injured, some seriously, in brawls all the time. Stabbings with bottles, "glassing", and gangs kicking the crap out of one man...or woman. The reason the crime statistics don't reflect it is that the police often take 2-3 hours to show up and even then don't file a report.
People are people the world over and, personally, I prefer the freedom to defend myself...even with a gun.
I have a number of guns in my house,between mine and my boys.
They are all unloaded before they come in the house,and they don't get loaded untill we are out to where we are going to use them.
I do keep one loaded in my house for home protection.It's a 44 mag.that I keep in a holster on the side of the headboard of my bed.
My wifes uncle is a retired police officer,and he gave me a suggestion quite a few years back.
He told me to load up 4 chambers with shells loaded with buckshot,and the other 2 with hollow points.That way,if you have to shoot in your house,the buckshot woun't go all the way threw the house like a slug will.
That way if one of your family members is in the other rooms,there is less chance of a shell going threw a wall,and hitting them.
Luckily I have'nt had to test this yet,and I hope I never do.
They are all unloaded before they come in the house,and they don't get loaded untill we are out to where we are going to use them.
I do keep one loaded in my house for home protection.It's a 44 mag.that I keep in a holster on the side of the headboard of my bed.
My wifes uncle is a retired police officer,and he gave me a suggestion quite a few years back.
He told me to load up 4 chambers with shells loaded with buckshot,and the other 2 with hollow points.That way,if you have to shoot in your house,the buckshot woun't go all the way threw the house like a slug will.
That way if one of your family members is in the other rooms,there is less chance of a shell going threw a wall,and hitting them.
Luckily I have'nt had to test this yet,and I hope I never do.
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Re: Some fundamental truths...
I have a question. Did you, in an effort to teach your child about this, take your child out and actually use the stuff anywhere? Did you make that effort to let the child hold this and spray it and deal with a breeze? Did you actually teach your child? Or did you just talk TO your child? There is a major difference.
Anytime you are teaching your child anything, comapre it to math--if you could not learn multiplication this way, then don't bother (meaning--avoid using a "talking-to" as the sole way of "teaching"--it is useless).The most important jobs in the word require experience--and your child is no different.
I do not know if you did anything more than just "talk about danger", but that is the idea I get from what was written.
I am thinking of situations in my life.
The hands-on fire safety classes--we do use the extinguishers and play with fire and get the lecture and the videos and deal with burn victims and we practice our fire drills.
Also the CPR--it is not a lecture only.
Sterile technique--never just a lecture.
Fishing--yeah--experiencing that fish hook is nowhere near the same as talking about it.
I live in Texas, where we do have the legal right to carry concealed handguns. The only place there has been a gun massacre involved a church childrens event. One of the few places where people don't typically have guns. Most work places have people carrying too. I was tremendously opposed to this when it was leagalized--but, true to the premonitions--it does seem to have leveled the playing field and crime has gone down all over the state. Many of my friends carry.
Currently, this one psycho motherfucker has been harassing me at work --shoved me into a wall 3 weeks ago--when I wrote up the incident, I was told , "WOAH! this is a police matter" and now there is going to be a county hearing. This motherfucker is psychotic and I am his lucky current target. Think I am interrested in getting a gun? You betcha. I have put it off...but when this guy loses his job for his repeated violent behavior (I have not been his only target), he will have nothing better to do for a while than to hang around. He has a good paying job and no expenses--loves to show off that wallet stuffed full of money. He can afford to stick around.
I have waited to do my gun purchase, but I think the time has come and I cannot put it off. I have the dogs and nosy neighbors in close housing at home (the man has been on my property) but nothing to protect me as I walk across the street to my truck at night. (I try to wait around for others--sometimes the wait is 30 minutes).
This is a nightmare.
But in my nightmare, and I need every advantage I can get. And until I can move from this godforsaken cesspool that I have been in for the past several years, I will do my best to have EVERY advantage possible.
(Please gorgive me if this is not so coherent--I really do try to make sense--but I am a natural blond!)
Oh yeah, and would I use a lock? No, I would not. I would take my son and he would shoot it and he would have the knowledge and skills I have. (If he were government schooled, I'd be more concerned, but I homeschool him and he does not live his life looking at everything as a competition to be stronger/bigger/meaner/tougher/etc)
I work the E.R.--we don't have kids coming in here with accidental shootings. I have never seen it in 8 years. Statistically, there were less than 10 fatal accidental shootings involving children in the entire US in 1999 (like 4 or 6--I forget the actual number). That is like the same number who die from circumcision each year.
I do not see it as a real risk.
Closet Desire said:
I have a question. Did you, in an effort to teach your child about this, take your child out and actually use the stuff anywhere? Did you make that effort to let the child hold this and spray it and deal with a breeze? Did you actually teach your child? Or did you just talk TO your child? There is a major difference.
Anytime you are teaching your child anything, comapre it to math--if you could not learn multiplication this way, then don't bother (meaning--avoid using a "talking-to" as the sole way of "teaching"--it is useless).The most important jobs in the word require experience--and your child is no different.
I do not know if you did anything more than just "talk about danger", but that is the idea I get from what was written.
I am thinking of situations in my life.
The hands-on fire safety classes--we do use the extinguishers and play with fire and get the lecture and the videos and deal with burn victims and we practice our fire drills.
Also the CPR--it is not a lecture only.
Sterile technique--never just a lecture.
Fishing--yeah--experiencing that fish hook is nowhere near the same as talking about it.
I live in Texas, where we do have the legal right to carry concealed handguns. The only place there has been a gun massacre involved a church childrens event. One of the few places where people don't typically have guns. Most work places have people carrying too. I was tremendously opposed to this when it was leagalized--but, true to the premonitions--it does seem to have leveled the playing field and crime has gone down all over the state. Many of my friends carry.
Currently, this one psycho motherfucker has been harassing me at work --shoved me into a wall 3 weeks ago--when I wrote up the incident, I was told , "WOAH! this is a police matter" and now there is going to be a county hearing. This motherfucker is psychotic and I am his lucky current target. Think I am interrested in getting a gun? You betcha. I have put it off...but when this guy loses his job for his repeated violent behavior (I have not been his only target), he will have nothing better to do for a while than to hang around. He has a good paying job and no expenses--loves to show off that wallet stuffed full of money. He can afford to stick around.
I have waited to do my gun purchase, but I think the time has come and I cannot put it off. I have the dogs and nosy neighbors in close housing at home (the man has been on my property) but nothing to protect me as I walk across the street to my truck at night. (I try to wait around for others--sometimes the wait is 30 minutes).
This is a nightmare.
But in my nightmare, and I need every advantage I can get. And until I can move from this godforsaken cesspool that I have been in for the past several years, I will do my best to have EVERY advantage possible.
(Please gorgive me if this is not so coherent--I really do try to make sense--but I am a natural blond!)
Oh yeah, and would I use a lock? No, I would not. I would take my son and he would shoot it and he would have the knowledge and skills I have. (If he were government schooled, I'd be more concerned, but I homeschool him and he does not live his life looking at everything as a competition to be stronger/bigger/meaner/tougher/etc)
I work the E.R.--we don't have kids coming in here with accidental shootings. I have never seen it in 8 years. Statistically, there were less than 10 fatal accidental shootings involving children in the entire US in 1999 (like 4 or 6--I forget the actual number). That is like the same number who die from circumcision each year.
I do not see it as a real risk.
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