If you do not understand something, and cannot be bothered to investigate it

[gotsnowgotslush]

Alternatives to allopathic medicine, (your local doctors of medicine, your local hospital are allopathic based medicine.) are being killed off. Why ?

http://vonsyhomeopathy.wordpress.com/

http://nationalcenterforhomeopathy....destruction-publishes-yet-another-bogus-study

 

[KRCummings]

Because homeopathy is a fraud and everyone knows it.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

The scientific community has made spectacular advances in equipment-

We now have instruments that can view objects that range in size from millimeters down to as small as nanometers
(1 nm ~ 0.00000004" = 40 billionths of an inch)

Instead of investing in research, to explain why Homeopathy works, and why it sometimes fails, a decision has been made to not support it.

Why ?

 

[islandman]

Has homeopathy been shown to cure anything beyond a headache on a consistent basis?

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

What really gets at me, is the hypocrisy. Allopathic based medicine makes a million bad moves, kills people, tortures people to death.

People shrug and say that doctors and scientists are only human. People say it is a pity that the children and old people suffered.

Who reaps the money gained from evil and suffering? Wall Street, and all their friends from around the world.

Who is responsible for the dire cash crisis, around the world ? Wall Street.

Why are people losing their personal choices, for their own lives ?

Mere money.

 

[islandman]

So, you're not arguing allopathic versus homeopathic, you're crying foul against human nature.

 

[Phelia]

You don't think there's money in promoting homeopathy and alternative medicine? You think the scientist who falsified pretty much the entire vaccine-autism claim did it just for fun?

Rational people can look at and learn from what works about homeopathic treatment (less reliance on prescriptions, more time spent with patient per appointment). The dilution thing, while implausible and unproven, has and will continue to be investigated.

I don't begrudge people who find they've improved their health and/or wellness through homeopathic treatment. It's great for them! Placebo effect or not, I'm happy when people are better. That does not change the fact that any medical claim needs to be met with intense scrutiny and a demand for evidence.

 

[CHNOPS]

Actually, an awful lot of people investigate it. The problem is, every single one of those investigations, when done according to "legitimate" procedures*, has shown the same thing: homeopathy works at exactly the same rate as placebo.

It does work, make no mistake. It's just got nothing to do with the "molecular memory" or whatever.



*International standards for meaningful sample size, trial conditions, and double-blind administration/interpretation.

 

[CHNOPS]

You don't think there's money in promoting homeopathy? You think the scientist who falsified pretty much the entire vaccine-autism claim did it just for fun?

Rational people can look at and learn from what works about homeopathy (less reliance on prescriptions, more time spent with patient per appointment). The dilution thing, while implausible and unproven, has and will continue to be investigated.

I don't begrudge people who find they've improved their health and/or wellness through homeopathic treatment. It's great for them! Placebo effect or not, I'm happy when people are better. That does not change the fact that any medical claim needs to be met with intense scrutiny and a demand for evidence.

Disease has a natural history/arc. People get better and think it's their zinc tincture. In fact, it's the other tincture that did it: "tincture of time."

 

[oggbashan]

The one certainty all doctors face is that no matter what they do, eventually all their patients will die.

"First do no harm" is supposed to be followed by all doctors.

But medical insurance companies and big pharma try to persuade doctors otherwise.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Phelia, This is one of my points. Homeopathy, or anything that impacts a person's health, can be studied in detail in 2013.

What is happening in the medical world ? The doctor does not have time to listen to his patients.

People suffer for years, or die with "lost" metal medical instruments, surgical gauze, and what-not nestled among their intestines.

The doctor responds to the symptoms, not the cause. Antibiotics, and the whole kitchen sink of allopathic medicine is thrown at the "problem."

"The dilution thing, while implausible and unproven, has and will continue to be investigated."

All the materials that are used, have been "proofed." The variables are complex.

 

[phrodeau]

The scientific community has made spectacular advances in equipment-

We now have instruments that can view objects that range in size from millimeters down to as small as nanometers
(1 nm ~ 0.00000004" = 40 billionths of an inch)

Instead of investing in research, to explain why Homeopathy works, and why it sometimes fails, a decision has been made to not support it.

Why ?

Maybe they're all bending their microscopes in search of The Soul.

 

[Squibbs]

This is my cure all medicine.

https://encrypted-tbn3.***********/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnpOIBudoDAKEWUzdmpRRftLNN8TAT1e3FZG6tKAsCnAVX_5fy

Headache: check
Upset stomach: check
sore muscles: check
Shitty movie: check

 

[Phelia]

Phelia, This is one of my points. Homeopathy, or anything that impacts a person's health, can be studied in detail in 2013.

What is happening in the medical world ? The doctor does not have time to listen to his patients.

People suffer for years, or die with "lost" metal medical instruments, surgical gauze, and what-not nestled among their intestines.

The doctor responds to the symptoms, not the cause. Antibiotics, and the whole kitchen sink of allopathic medicine is thrown at the "problem."



All the materials that are used, have been "proofed." The variables are complex.

I think the issue of doctors not having enough time for their patients is completely separate from the validity of homeopathic treatment. Not even opposite ends of the spectrum because it's a different spectrum entirely.

The human genome is complex, and we've made some progress there, so I imagine vibrating water molecules are well within the scope of what we can handle. Regardless, it would only be worth looking into the complexities of how homeopathy works if it were proven to work in the first place, and that's not complex; people get better or they don't, and time again, it's been proven no more effective than a placebo.

By the way, I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful. You know I like you I hold your right to your beliefs very highly, but this is something I feel strongly about and I am compelled to address the content of what you're saying.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

"it has been proven no more effective than a placebo."

Who has proven it to be no more effective than a placebo ?
That begs the question of who paid for the research, where it was done, what the conditions of the facility were.
Were they were invested in disproving the effectiveness of the remedies?

Phelia, does this address the issue of doctors giving a person allopathic medicines that do, or do not work ?
Trying a different variety of allopathic medicines, until they run out of alternatives.

Then, saying to the patient, that they are sorry, but nothing worked. ("Go away and die, because I cannot help you.")
This saddens me, when alternative medicine cannot be offered. Look at the fight that is happening in the United States
of America, over the medical use of marijuana.

To give you a picture of myself, that has a bit more clarity-

I believe that Allopathic medicine can work hand in hand with Homeopathic treatment, to the patient's benefit.

Surgeons have agreed that minimum incision, is to the benefit of the patient.
They are developing methods to bring that about.

 

[CHNOPS]

"it has been proven no more effective than a placebo."

Who has proven it to be no more effective than a placebo ?
That begs the question of who paid for the research, where it was done, what the conditions of the facility were.
Were they were invested in disproving the effectiveness of the remedies?

Phelia, does this address the issue of doctors giving a person allopathic medicines that do, or do not work ?
Trying a different variety of allopathic medicines, until they run out of alternatives.

Then, saying to the patient, that they are sorry, but nothing worked. ("Go away and die, because I cannot help you.")
This saddens me, when alternative medicine cannot be offered. Look at the fight that is happening in the United States
of America, over the medical use of marijuana.

To give you a picture of myself, that has a bit more clarity-

I believe that Allopathic medicine can work hand in hand with Homeopathic treatment, to the patient's benefit.

Surgeons have agreed that minimum incision, is to the benefit of the patient.
They are developing methods to bring that about.

You're asking decent questions, but you're acting contrary to the thread title. The scientific community has a set of internationally recognized standards for conducting experiments. There have been literally hundreds of examinations of homeopathic medicine. Not a single one that abides by the recognized standards has shown a difference compared to placebo. Literally zero of them.

Like Big Pharma or hate it, not a single one is bringing to market and charging consumers for a product that is shown to be no more effective than a placebo.

On the other hand, the few trials that have shown homeopathic medicine to be effective have either been funded and conducted by proponents, published in journals whose standards are rejected by the international community at large, conducted in non-double-blind circumstances, or made up of vastly too-small sample sizes.

If it works for you, keep taking it. But don't worry too much that there's a Big Conspiracy out there trying to keep homeopathic medicine from you. It's available in every health food store and drug store. It's just not going to be prescribed by a doctor, ever, since it's only water, and they would be sued for treating your cancer with water.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Do you want to find out about what homeopathy, is ?

Homeopathy: Just Good Medicine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULExWtl-22g

They are doing scientific research, to find out why, and how.

 

[KRCummings]

What is it about this that brings out so much stupid?

 

[Phelia]

It's not based in science. It was conceptualized and developed before we even knew what germs were. It's going backwards - like saying that the geocentric universe is worth revisiting, and to be bluntly honest about it, discussing the proofing and mechanics of it isn't going to convince me. I also think homeopathy has some things to answer for. Some products and evangelists have made some pretty incredible claims.

I don't want to conflate homeopathy and alternative medicine. I believe in minimal incision and imagine lots of other people do, too. I think calling it "allopathic medicine" is ridiculous. It's medicine, and treatments should be evidence-based. If something can be treated successfully without medication or surgery, great. The problems with medicine should be accepted for what they are and addressed. Anyway, I've said enough of what I think. Again, I'm really happy when someone feels better, no matter how it happens.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

OK

 

[KRCummings]

Again, I'm really happy when someone feels better, no matter how it happens.

No, I think stupid people should suffer.

 

[Phelia]

The five-second rule, though. THAT is for real

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Now, we move on, to the mystery of why science cannot create a medicine that gives women an instantaneous full body orgasm.

 

[CHNOPS]

The five-second rule, though. THAT is for real

We function with a sliding-scale "second rule." If it's at home, really almost any number of seconds is fine, provided they beat the dog to it and didn't drop it in the bathroom.

Floor of the car, that's a good five-second location. Supermarket, maybe one-second. Subway station? No seconds, that thing is history, even if it's made of gold and contains the secret for eternal life.

 

[neci]

Now, we move on, to the mystery of why science cannot create a medicine that gives women an instantaneous full body orgasm.

i have a homeopathic cure for this.