If we had Universal Health Care, Nataline Sarkisyan would NOT have died

[Le Jacquelope]

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

Instead, we have Capitalism - where Cigna Insurance overrode her doctors, who said she would survive the procedure, and denied her coverage for her liver transplant.

An insurance company denied Nataline Sarkisyan a chance at life.

The next time you argue against Universal Health Care, sacrifice your own kid to cancer, leukemia or some other lethal ailment. Then let's see how much you oppose UHC.

 

[Bert Notorius]

it's all in jesus' hands anyway

 

[Le Jacquelope]

it's all in jesus' hands anyway

So you believe in faith healing?

 

[Bert Notorius]

So you believe in faith healing?

do i believe faith can heal

of course

 

[fgarvb1]

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

Instead, we have Capitalism - where Cigna Insurance overrode her doctors, who said she would survive the procedure, and denied her coverage for her liver transplant.

An insurance company denied Nataline Sarkisyan a chance at life.

The next time you argue against Universal Health Care, sacrifice your own kid to cancer, leukemia or some other lethal ailment. Then let's see how much you oppose UHC.

But how many more will?

Because they are to old, or keeping them alive is not cost effective or politically correct even?

Once that cancer starts to spread it is very hard to stop.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

But how many more will?

Because they are to old, or keeping them alive is not cost effective or politically correct even?

Once that cancer starts to spread it is very hard to stop.

You tell me. Britain and Canada have Universal Health Care and they have longer lifespans than us. Hmmmmm.

Edited to add: Private corporation-run health insurance does that to us NOW. What's your point?

 

[Ham Murabi]

You're an even bigger fool than I thought if you believe everyone who needs a liver transplant will get one when the government is in charge.

 

[Bert Notorius]

You're an even bigger fool than I thought if you believe everyone who needs a liver transplant will get one when the government is in charge.

they're coming for yours...

 

[Sean]

You're an even bigger fool than I thought if you believe everyone who needs a liver transplant will get one when the government is in charge.

The only thing stopping you from getting a transplant in the UK is lack of donors. Pencil pushers in insurance offices don't get to make clinical decisions over here.

 

[aqwertyuiop]

I think even you know that America does not have the 37th worst mortality rate worldwide.

If you factor out the minority murder rate, drug overdose deaths, vehicular deaths and deaths of infants under 1 year of age (which are not included in other countries' mortality calculations), America probably has one of the world's lowest mortality rates.

 

[where]

I think even you know that America does not have the 37th worst mortality rate worldwide.

If you factor out the minority murder rate, drug overdose deaths, vehicular deaths and deaths of infants under 1 year of age (which are not included in other countries' mortality calculations), America probably has one of the world's lowest mortality rates.

that's a facile argument. the UK has better mortality AND a higher rate of murder and accidental death. and infant mortality IS included, dipshit

 

[Bert Notorius]

it's a conundrum

the fewer dead people
the fewer available livers
recycling human body parts
has it's macabre aspect

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

Instead, we have Capitalism - where Cigna Insurance overrode her doctors, who said she would survive the procedure, and denied her coverage for her liver transplant.

An insurance company denied Nataline Sarkisyan a chance at life.

The next time you argue against Universal Health Care, sacrifice your own kid to cancer, leukemia or some other lethal ailment. Then let's see how much you oppose UHC.

You got your ass handed to you the last time you used poor Nat...

At least this time you were smart enough not to provide the link that said the treatment was thinner than a wing and a prayer...

 

[Shamanskiss]

I think even you know that America does not have the 37th worst mortality rate worldwide.

If you factor out the minority murder rate, drug overdose deaths, vehicular deaths and deaths of infants under 1 year of age (which are not included in other countries' mortality calculations), America probably has one of the world's lowest mortality rates.

Tell you what ,
why not just snip out all those incovenient dead'uns , and you will be left with a number you feel ok with.

 

[popcorn2721]

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

Instead, we have Capitalism - where Cigna Insurance overrode her doctors, who said she would survive the procedure, and denied her coverage for her liver transplant.

An insurance company denied Nataline Sarkisyan a chance at life.

The next time you argue against Universal Health Care, sacrifice your own kid to cancer, leukemia or some other lethal ailment. Then let's see how much you oppose UHC.

damned, I was hoping she was going to get that transplant too.
Its really fucken sad that she had a elephant get in her way, and had to die.

 

[Kanomi]

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

He is completely right. How did US health become owned by a health insurance trust, that spends so much money bribing congressman it would be single-handledly be responsible for destroying representative democracy in your country -- if the war profiteers, drug pushers, and usurers hadn't go there first.

American health system is a SHAMEFUL SIGHT. People die to fatten profits of insurance companies, which are nothing but middlemen in the way of doctors and patients. Nothing but parasites sucking dollars out.

You should rise up and basically arrest all bankers, lobbyists, politicians, insurance cartel salesmen and take back the country. The rich ruined your country stole everything. Very obvious.

Or I think you might fall into fascism as things get worse and worse there for you. You don't want that, you will die in wars, your homes bombed.



Where are the brave Americans?

 

[jeninflorida]

get a job!

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

Instead, we have Capitalism - where Cigna Insurance overrode her doctors, who said she would survive the procedure, and denied her coverage for her liver transplant.

An insurance company denied Nataline Sarkisyan a chance at life.

The next time you argue against Universal Health Care, sacrifice your own kid to cancer, leukemia or some other lethal ailment. Then let's see how much you oppose UHC.

 

[jeninflorida]

The only thing stopping you from getting a transplant in the UK is lack of donors. Pencil pushers in insurance offices don't get to make clinical decisions over here.

the joys of goverment controlled health care! yes, can't wait to get that here in america

 

[pete]

He is completely right. How did US health become owned by a health insurance trust, that spends so much money bribing congressman it would be single-handledly be responsible for destroying representative democracy in your country -- if the war profiteers, drug pushers, and usurers hadn't go there first.

American health system is a SHAMEFUL SIGHT. People die to fatten profits of insurance companies, which are nothing but middlemen in the way of doctors and patients. Nothing but parasites sucking dollars out.

You should rise up and basically arrest all bankers, lobbyists, politicians, insurance cartel salesmen and take back the country. The rich ruined your country stole everything. Very obvious.

Or I think you might fall into fascism as things get worse and worse there for you. You don't want that, you will die in wars, your homes bombed.



Where are the brave Americans?

haha
you're so cute

 

[aqwertyuiop]

by Scott Atlas

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government rôle in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered.

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

•Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
•Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
•More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
•Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]


Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

 

[aqwertyuiop]

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles

Official World Health Organization statistics show the U.S. lagging behind France in infant mortality rates — 6.7 per 1,000 live births vs. 3.8 for France. Halderman notes that in the U.S., any infant born that shows any sign of life for any length of time is considered a live birth. In France — in fact, in most of the European Union — any baby born before 26 weeks’ gestation is not considered alive and therefore doesn’t “count” in reported infant mortality rates.

 

[jeninflorida]

but obama can fix it by pumping another $400 billion into Medicare! money fixes all goverment run programs...

by Scott Atlas

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government rôle in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered.

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

•Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
•Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
•More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
•Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]


Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

 

[Kanomi]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

What are you citing, Propaganda bought and paid for by health insurance cartel?

You cite no sources. Not a single one. Not a single footnote in your alleged "facts."

Everyone in your country who has lost health insurance knows the system is rigged against them. Know it's mass exploitation of the poor and middle classes by a health industry cabal who have no limits of bribing Congress whores.

You have eight insurance cartel lobbyists for every congressman and we are supposed to believe you have a fair system?

Are you stupid? You really believe anything they tell you?

People can't be this stupid??

 

[koalabear]

She'd have had her liver transplant OK'd and she'd be alive right now.

Instead, we have Capitalism - where Cigna Insurance overrode her doctors, who said she would survive the procedure, and denied her coverage for her liver transplant.

An insurance company denied Nataline Sarkisyan a chance at life.

The next time you argue against Universal Health Care, sacrifice your own kid to cancer, leukemia or some other lethal ailment. Then let's see how much you oppose UHC.

Why not blame the Doctors, there is nothing in the Hippocratic Oath about fees for services. They could have done the procedure for free.

 

[where]

by Scott Atlas

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government rôle in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered.

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

•Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
•Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
•More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
•Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]


Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

Where did you get these "facts" and to which years are they comparing? Because the american health stats I've seen on breast cancer are pretty much the same as in the UK.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles

Official World Health Organization statistics show the U.S. lagging behind France in infant mortality rates — 6.7 per 1,000 live births vs. 3.8 for France. Halderman notes that in the U.S., any infant born that shows any sign of life for any length of time is considered a live birth. In France — in fact, in most of the European Union — any baby born before 26 weeks’ gestation is not considered alive and therefore doesn’t “count” in reported infant mortality rates.

no, in the UK and europe any baby born alive after 22 weeks is counted as a live birth and the US actually started following the WHO methods of counting in the 1990s.

One reason why there is a very high infant mortality rate in the USA is because of the much higher level of premature birth in the USA. Question is, why does the USA have such a high premature birth rate? Such premature birth and miscarriage is generally something that happens to women with poor pre-natal care.

So what ever way you look at it, the american healthcare system is killing babies.