If there is anything that might push people away from Trump

[gotsnowgotslush]

If there is anything, that might push people away from Trump, this would be it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...philosophy_misogyny.html#lf_comment=482518840


Megalomaniac

Disturbingly abusive.

Frightening lack of control over his temper.

The sickness of his need to humiliate, degrade, and dominate.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I'd not heard many of the events covered in that article. I did not think it was possible to loathe him more than I had already.

 

[BotanyBoy]

People who would vote for trump don't give a shit about those reasons.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The way to push people away from Trump is to quote him, especially things he has said a year or more ago. Then compare that with what he has been saying lately.

 

[JackLuis]

If this sticks it might be Trump in the slammer, if our AG is awake.

Just In: Trump Is Now Facing Criminal Charges For Bribing Carson For Endorsement

We can add another criminal investigation to the pile. The American Democracy Legal Fund has filed a criminal complaint to the Department of Justice over Donald Trump’s alleged promise of a cabinet position to Ben Carson in exchange for his endorsement, which is of course illegal.

Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 599, “[w]hoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

Dr. Carson’s comments strongly suggest that Mr. Trump promised him an administration position in return for his endorsement. In his interview, Dr. Carson stated that he would “certainly” have an advisory capacity within a potential Trump administration. When asked directly whether this role was discussed during their endorsement meeting, Dr. Carson responded, “Yes.” Dr. Carson’s assured answers lead to the reasonable conclusion that Mr. Trump promised Dr. Carson an administration post in order to secure his endorsement in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 599.

While this is pretty far down on the list of unethical, immoral, or simply reprehensible things that Trump has said or done, it might be the closest chance we might have to take him out of the running for good.

I bet Donald thought Carson was smart enough to not confess to a reporter. DT was fooled by the sleepy eyed Ben and fucked over.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unless the CIA was recording their conversations there is no way to prove that. Which is one more reason that law is STUPID and should be stricken.

 

[RUlookingup]

I guess the left realizes the jig is up.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Unless the CIA was recording their conversations there is no way to prove that. Which is one more reason that law is STUPID and should be stricken.

Besides that, this has always been a very common tradition, although it often takes the form of transferring delegates at a convention.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm sure it goes deeper than that. Sure I can't prove it and it's even possible that Obama really did give Hillary those positions so she wouldn't stab him in the back but yeah I kinda doubt it.

Trump broke the law. He should be punished. We all know it even if we can't prove it.

The law is stupid beyond all reason and the sooner we eliminate it the better. I would like to maximize transparency. I would have considerably more respect for the two if Trump just walked out on stage shook Ben Carson's hand and said "America, this is your future Surgeon General!" gave a press conference and walked off. Hell in a world where multiple candidates are effectively running on the plan of "Yeah I suck at 'x' but that's what a cabinet is for" I don't see a particularly strong reason why TEAM Trump shouldn't be on the ballot. Even if it would be subject to change.

Note: I don't mean literally on the ballot. Simply that his top choices are already known and possibly campaigning openly for him.

 

[sr71plt]

Unless the CIA was recording their conversations there is no way to prove that. Which is one more reason that law is STUPID and should be stricken.

It would have to be NSA that was recording their conversations.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The GOP has two major problems: The first problem is Trump commands a solid third of GOP voters who wont vote for Cruz....period.

Problem #2 is the strong belief that having a cunt means women cant think. Young women don't like Hillary....and they dislike Cruz more.

 

[JackLuis]

The Trump ‘cult’ is causing GOP mega-donors to abandon the presidential race

Key conservative groups backed by the billionaire Koch brothers and their network of rich allies are plowing millions into Senate races after becoming frustrated by the overheated rhetoric and policies of leading Republican presidential candidates – especially frontrunner Donald Trump – and opting to stay out of the primaries.

Three leading groups – Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, and Concerned Veterans for America – supported by the Koch donor network spent almost $4m on ads in just the last month to boost Republican Senate candidates facing tough races in Nevada, Ohio and Wisconsin.

In Wisconsin, for instance, Americans for Prosperity, the Koch network’s political flagship group, has begun a $1m effort to back the Republican senator Ron Johnson in his battle against Democratic former senator Russ Feingold, who is ahead in the polls.

“We plan to be active in a number of key Senate states this spring,” said James Davis, a spokesman for Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, the fundraising hub for the Koch network, which last month poured $2m into an Ohio ad drive attacking former Democratic governor Ted Strickland, who is attempting to unseat Republican senator Rob Portman.

Has the Republican establishment conceded the Presidency due to the Trump/Cruz cluster fuck? It appears they are trying to save the Senate majority in a dismal year.

 

[patient1]

I'm sure it goes deeper than that. Sure I can't prove it and it's even possible that Obama really did give Hillary those positions so she wouldn't stab him in the back but yeah I kinda doubt it.

Trump broke the law. He should be punished. We all know it even if we can't prove it.

The law is stupid beyond all reason and the sooner we eliminate it the better. I would like to maximize transparency. I would have considerably more respect for the two if Trump just walked out on stage shook Ben Carson's hand and said "America, this is your future Surgeon General!" gave a press conference and walked off. Hell in a world where multiple candidates are effectively running on the plan of "Yeah I suck at 'x' but that's what a cabinet is for" I don't see a particularly strong reason why TEAM Trump shouldn't be on the ballot. Even if it would be subject to change.

Note: I don't mean literally on the ballot. Simply that his top choices are already known and possibly campaigning openly for him.

I see your point. It sounds reasonable to me to maximize transparency.

As it is, they don't need a recording. Carson is a deeply religious honest man who wouldn't shrink from a polygraph.

As for Hillary, I buy into the theory that Obama wanted her out of the country when he tried to pass his legacy, the ACA, rather than being the voice of the majority party in the Senate. Otherwise, he'd have to please her to pass it, and it would become known as ClintonCare. It wasn't a favor any more than pulling LBJ out of the senate to be VP was. It was a power play to become THE voice of the Democratic party.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Obama may very well have honestly thought she was the best person for the job as well. At the end of the day it's not particularly important. You may be right that he didn't want the competition.

Of course as I understand it there is no law stating Hillary couldn't have simply refused the post, possibly quietly if she'd felt this wasn't a mutually beneficial plan. Nothing about Hillary suggests to me that she does anything she doesn't believe will help her at the end of the day.

Either way I think all politicians and most Americans are informed enough to understand that the President is the lead but the appointees basically run many aspects. Sure the end credit goes to the boss (as it does in most organizations) but I don't honestly see why it's not standard practice to say "Here are my top choices!" While looking at the Constitution there doesn't seem to be a reason why the president couldn't nominate his dog, Kim Kardashian or the racist twitter robot to the Supreme Court if common sense is applied there are a finite number of qualified people. Small enough that in this particular environment that the only reason NOT to name a judge is because you don't want to put him on the spot.

And yes I do want to maximize transparency. I'm more concerned however with the elimination of laws that near impossible to enforce. you may be right that Carson wouldn't be able to lie either morally or would just get caught up but still.

 

[seth6138]

air...

 

[patient1]

Of course as I understand it there is no law stating Hillary couldn't have simply refused the post, possibly quietly if she'd felt this wasn't a mutually beneficial plan. Nothing about Hillary suggests to me that she does anything she doesn't believe will help her at the end of the day.

It's unwritten, but for those who would aspire to hold the office, when your party's president politely asks you to do something, it's an offer you can't refuse. Even if a refusal doesn't preclude you from being the successor, you don't want to set the defiance precedent before you become president, and undermine your own authority and majesty.

Regardless, Jefferson was the first Secretary of State, and he made Madison his Secretary of State to groom him as a successor to the presidency. I think it's a tradition worthy of revival.

 

[RjThoughts]

People who would vote for trump don't give a shit about those reasons.

They don't care about reason.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

January 16th, 2016

Cruz’s campaign posted the video earlier today of Trump with Tim Russert on Meet the Press in 1999. Russert asked Trump about gay marriage. Trump didn’t want to comment on it, but said he has no problem with gays in the military.

He explained, “I’ve lived in New York City and Manhattan all my life, okay? So my views are a little bit different than if I lived in Iowa.”

When Russert asked Trump about abortion, he said he’s “pro-choice in every respect” and again cited his New York background, which he said has a “different attitude” from most of the country.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/here...values-interview-cruz-has-been-talking-about/

 

[sr71plt]

I'd like to see strategies that push people away from both Trump and Cruz. Cruz scares me even more than Trump does.

 

[RjThoughts]

I'd like to see strategies that push people away from both Trump and Cruz. Cruz scares me even more than Trump does.

Cruz is a Theocrat.
Trump is a pompous plutocrat whose base is the under and uneducated.

 

[Hypoxia]

People who would vote for trump don't give a shit about those reasons.

"Reason" and "Trump" do not belong in the same sentence. Reason is irrelevant. Arousal is everything.

Has the Republican establishment conceded the Presidency due to the Trump/Cruz cluster fuck? It appears they are trying to save the Senate majority in a dismal year.

The GOP is quite aware they won't win the White House in the next generation, except maybe with another SCOTUS intervention. They know they can't win free and fair national elections because their policies are repugnant to most citizens. A gerrymandered House and filibuster-frozen Senate is all they can hope for.

While looking at the Constitution there doesn't seem to be a reason why the president couldn't nominate his dog, Kim Kardashian or the racist twitter robot to the Supreme Court...

Indeed. Executive and legislative seats must be held by humans but the Constitution does not require such for judges and justices. For fun, Obama should recess-appoint a carved stone, to symbolize GOP hard-headedness.

I'd like to see strategies that push people away from both Trump and Cruz. Cruz scares me even more than Trump does.

Both scare the majority of citizens. Neither could beat Clinton or Sanders... except with SCOTUS intervention. But we're still months away from conventions. Let's see who gets indicted or shot or humiliated or alien-abducted before then. And don't forget an October Surprise.

 

[sr71plt]

Let's see who gets indicted or shot or humiliated or alien-abducted before then. And don't forget an October Surprise.

Any of it could happen in either party.

 

[phrodeau]

There hasn't been a decent October Surprise in decades.

 

[The_Trouvere]

If there is anything, that might push people away from Trump, this would be it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...philosophy_misogyny.html#lf_comment=482518840


Megalomaniac

Disturbingly abusive.

Frightening lack of control over his temper.

The sickness of his need to humiliate, degrade, and dominate.

Those who like Trump like him because of those qualities. They are frightened and angry. They want a strong leader who will punish all the people they hate.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There hasn't been a decent October Surprise in decades.

There were Hurricane Sandy in 2012 and the collapse of the economy in 2008. The latter may not have happened in October, but the principle is the same.