If it weren't for feminists, this man would be alive today.

[LJ_Reloaded]

So, "but Ma, the other kids did it too" is the best you can do?

"I can do it but you can't" is your policy in life.

You can shut the fuck up now, you've got nothing to bring against me.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Just as Christians in general get blamed for Fred Phelps and Republicans for Tea Partyers. However, as I see it, Men's Rights Activists are operating on an incorrect premise - that men are being denied their rights (pretty much by definition) and, more specifically, that this is due to the actions of feminists and their 'mangina' allies (i.e. anybody who happens to believe that women are and have long been victims of discrimination and disempowerment). When you are at the top of the power/privilege pyramid, any action that attempts to level the playing field is seen as a loss for you rather than a gain for society as a whole. MRAs are the gender equivalent of white people who cry reverse racism.

So homeless men are at the top of the power/privilege pyramid.
So college dorm janitors are above the Ivy League women they're serving, in the power/privilege pyramid.

One day when a woman assaults you and the cops tell you they're not pressing charges, and people laugh at you for being attacked by a woman, you'll get it.

One day when a woman you never even met, names you as the father of her kid and you never got the notice from the Government and they assign you child support payments and they won't let you enter in DNA evidence to prove you're not the father, you'll get it.

One day when your wife cheats on you and leaves you and takes half of everything you worked hard for, you'll get it.

One day when your wife beats you up and they make fun of your ordeal on Saturday Night Live, you'll get it.

When you get accused of rape by a woman and her feminist buddies come to kill you for it, hopefully you'll prevail and survive long enough to get it.

When a woman fucks you up and the courts let her get away with it because she's a woman... you'll understand why the Men's Rights Movement exists.

Until then, keep telling yourself that men aren't being denied their rights.

 

[badbabysitter]

I can meet your Paul Elam and raise you Sharon Osbourne, Jezebel "we beat up our boyfriends rah rah" Magazine, Maureen "Are Men Necessary/Incredible Shrinking Y" Dowd, and all of these, too.

And how about these feminist leaders?
"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." -- Linda Gordon

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." -- Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." -- Catherine MacKinnon

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins

"All men are rapists and that's all they are"
-- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

Do you really want to ride this train about crazy quotes from movement leaders, badbabysitter? I can bombard you for weeks with this.


You're still ignoring the point...you wont even acknowledge there are whackjobs in your movement except as a cast off mention to Traditionalists.. even I will admit to the whackjobs in the feminist movements, hell in my own example I did.. you still won't

Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence.

But you blamed feminists.. not the Duluth model...that is directly saying a group was responsible..only after you grabbed everyone with your irresponsible and inflammatory headline did you decide to get to more details.. I'm a feminist, right off the bat you're implying I murdered this man

If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would be alive.

Absolutely, the system needs to change... but don't blame Hillary Clinton for this, she's a feminist too

News Flash!!! Traditionalists blame feminists for shit, too. That doesn't make Lepine a MRA. He wasn't complaining of workplace sexism - he was complaining about women "not knowing their place." THAT makes him a TRADITIONALIST.

I'm not saying he was a MRA, and nor did I say so at any point. He directly blamed women and directly blamed feminists. He even had a kill list of " feminists" in his suicide note

And please, stop with the Traditionalist.. I'm a Traditionalist; I practice celtic leather embriodery.. that's Traditionalism... telling women to stay in their place isn't Tradition.. it's misogny

If a woman went on a killing spree against men and blamed it on MRAs, yes, she's most likely a feminist. But she could also be a Traditionalist, though unlikely. Marc Lepine was a Traditionalist.

See above

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

But feminists didnt kill him, one person did.. a system was in place that failed him.

But attacking feminists is no less legitimate than attacking MRAs. That said:

AVoiceForMen has its crazy hour moments and is your one valid example here. Which is why I refuse to associate with them - especially Paul Elam and his "I will never vote to convict a man on trial for rape."

Return of Kings is not a MRA site. They're a PUA-related site and PUAs hate MRAs. Furthermore RoK are TRADITIONALISTS.

MGTOW - I have issues with them, particularly their hate for fat women and women who "hit the wall." There is no such thing as hitting the wall - there is only a woman's inability to accept that men have a right to their preferences and her desire to whine about men not preferring her. MGTOW perpetuates the idea that women who hit a certain age or weight class are no longer attractive even though tons of fat and old women out there routinely find men.

But that doesn't mean MGTOW is all bad - in fact, mostly the opposite. You really should be concerned about these guys. They advocate disengaging from women, especially those who give off a strong single mom, gold digger or paternity fraud threat. They also advocate against marriage and commitment. The problem with MGTOW is they're gaining ground culturally.

Unless you live under a rock you have no doubt heard of women complaining about the lack of men wanting to get married.

Not really, and 70% of the people I work with are women

MGTOW is a symptom of that. You know what scares you the most about MGTOW? I do. What scares you is that if all men seriously considered their base argument, you would never be able to use your feminine wiles to manipulate men.

That would be cool actually, while they're at it they can attend sexual harrasment seminars

Even a MGTOW guy who is marriage-minded is wise to that bullshit. You don't get a pussy pass with these guys, they see right through your bullshit, and most importantly, they won't put up with women's bullshit.

Would love to work with one of these guys, I interact with alot of buaucratic men who still think hitting on women is a professional apprach

You women derive great power from "do things my way or you don't get laid" and the MGTOW man does the most devastating thing that men as a group can do to women: they say "Fine, I don't need you to get laid."

you mean like the sex strike started by women in Columbia that dropped the murder rate by over 25%

or how a women's sex strike ended a 14 year civil war in Liberia

MGTOW teaches men that they do not need to grovel or work their asses off for validation by women. They teach that validation by women is overrated. MGTOW strips you of your over-inflated value - just like women have done to men on a daily basis since the dawn of time.

Thank fuck women have never thought they needed validation in a man's world right...

If you write off MGTOW as insignificant, you're not paying attention. Japan has gone MGTOW in a big way and women there are paying a huge price.



MGTOW is, for all its nonviolent approach to feminism, the most dangerous enemy feminism has: its growth will mean the end of hypergamy and the end of a million years of female privilege. MGTOW could render heterosexual womankind utterly rudderless: and they have already done exactly that in Japan.

Wait a second.. you're talking about Japan right? the same Japan that ranks 105th out 135 in gender equality ( pssst.. the bigger the number the worse it is)

Even Uganda, which is one of the poorest nations in the world fares better then Japan

at last, Japan is fighting back against their long history of feminist domination and finally putting men back on top. LOL

Badbabysitter, you think you as a woman have it bad now? Wait until men decide they no longer need to fight for and die over access to pussy.

That would be awesome

Who's going to rescue you from the fire then?

Probably a firefighter.. you do realize women can become them, right?

Who's going to dig you out when the tornado destroys your house?

A serch and rescue team... you do realize women are on them right?

Who's going to build the house you want to live in?

Someone in construction...oh right, women aren't allowed to do that either, right?

Who's going to risk their lives in the coal mines, power plants and oil rigs, to give you heat in the winter and cool air in the summer?

Wouldn't know, I live in vancouver.. hydroelectric power baby..lots of women in that line of work

Who's going to die in the diamond mines to keep the bling on women's fingers?

Probably foreign exploited workers.. certainly no one you know

The answer to the above: certainly not American women, Canadian or otherwise, as very few under any circumstances want to do this.

Or you for that matter... when was the last time you did any of the above?

This is a recurring meme I see all the time from you.. men are all commandos, and firefighters and lion tamers, while women meekly stay at home and do nothing..it's like women don't dominate certain fields... I constantly wonder why there aren't more men in my field for example

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

Absolutely, I'm not arguing that.. I'm saying you blamed feminists as people for doing this to him. The same can be said about places like Missoula or Steubenville..why did entire towns fail the victims there, why was it socially acceptable


Your concerns concerning the Duluth model are very legitmate, and you should be addressing them instead of a movement. This is what I mean by you prefacing an injustice with an attack on women

Wrong again.

Men's groups fought for equal custody and the National Organization for Women tried to stop them.

That's a healthy stretch to say the least... NOW has opposed many attempts to change custody rights citing that the language would lead to decreases and termination of child support which has been supported by the numbers of dead beat parents in nations with lax child support laws

Personally, I think we should model child custody after what Sweden is doing.. a contract in which the parents set the terms of what is to be paid, not just one, and not a judiciary body.. this " contract si always open to renegotiation and is only punishable by breach ( aka non payment)...it's a hands off approach that would keep all parents on the same footing

Men's groups fought to stop paternity fraud and feminists fought to preserve it because they want men to keep paying the price for women's lying and treachery. Feminists talk equality but then act like they see men as slaves.

oh give me a break, show me these feminist organizations that are so vehemently opposed to paternity testing

Men's groups fight for DV/homeless shelters for men in Canada and now because of feminism, they have none. Funny how women still have taxpayer-funded shelters in Canada!

bullshit.. they never fucking once fought for shelters in Canada.. it was only after a guy killed himself after pleading with men did the mRA turn their attention to the plight....if the MRA are so fucking concerned, why have not one single solitary men's organization ever contacted my agency or any other outreach agency in my province?

and how would I know? Because it's my fucking job

Men's groups try to speak out on campuses and Canadian feminists - your sisters in arms - continually disrupt them and deny them their freedom of speech.


So you feminists attack us on general principle, not because of some evil groups.

Maybe when they try the peaceful approach they get hundreds of death threats and thier personal infomration is plastered all over the internet... you should look up Registerher and remind me again about the " great principles"

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

see above

The only negative reinforcement comes from snapshots and reposted quotes from your own movement.

Are you fucking kidding? Feminists are depicted in film, literature, tv as angry screaming protestors, or butch lesbians, or frigid bitches who just need a man to soften them up ALL OVER the media, and have been so for decades.. and you're pissy because SNL made a sketch about it?

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

You sound just like a true white Conservative. The fact that the man in this story couldn't escape his situation is because of feminism.

it's because of a system that failed him... it's not because we're opposed to getting arrested for being women in Arizona, which is feminism.. you soulnd just like a Republican describing legitmate rape

Not because of feminists in his face, but because of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence - a doctrine created by feminists. The Duluth Model says men are the aggressors and women are not. Law enforcement agencies follow the Duluth Model; which means that generally (anecdotes aside), they do not arrest women - they either arrest the guy or ignore the situation.

And that's why we don't use it in Canada..our system is based on advocacy and treatment of both partners involved..and we're just chock full of feminists up here

So no, feminists aren't mentioned. But the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence, which they created, influenced law enforcement to leave that man to his fate.

and is a highly criticized system

Feminism is as much at fault for what happened to that man as centuries of racism is at fault for what happened to Trayvon Martin.

which leads to saying what happened with marc Lepine isto be blamed on " traditionalists" of the mRA

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

see above ..again

I don't GRUDGINGLY acknowledge the fucktardery of MRAs like Paul Elam.

Just give them cutesy non cofrontational lables, never comment on the MRA spokesman who make false allegations on women, completely brush over the hundreds of death threats that the " red haired harpy" got for speaking to men ( your words to describe her), etcetera....

I'm quite open about it. And you CLEARLY do not understand the grudge I hold against Traditionalists.

then stop calling them that,, it's a name that gives them validation

I never describe them as harmless. They have almost as much institutional power as feminists, or even more than feminists, depending on the day.

Almost? Thank fuck there are no " traditionalist" men in Arizona or fighting Roe vs Wade, or trying to prevent women from enterting the military, or... well, you get my point

What you don't understand is that the battle of the sexes is in fact a THREE WAY CONFLICT:
1) The Patriarchal Traditionalists, who want everyone to go back to traditional, arbitrary gender roles, at the expense of the individual freedom they claim to love so much;

I acknoweldge they exist, but the name gives them validity, and they don't have any

2) The Feminists, who are only in it for the women, at the expense of EVERYONE else;

and it finally boils down to what you really think feminism is... about time

3) The Men's Rights movement, which has no use for Patriarchal gender norms, nor the misandry of modern Feminism.

we call those guys feminists.. just saying

Matter of fact, there's a FOURTH faction out there that's threatening to burst free of the Men's Rights movement if the MRAs don't kick people like Paul Elam to the curb - Egalitarians.

which is what I am..but the minute I say I'm for a level playing field, I get called a feminist.. this isn't a theoritical, this happens whenever I get into a discussion about it... I am labled as something, and since I believe it si a positive lable, I go with it...because egalitarianism is a very popular view in third wave feminism.. which is something your laundry list of lunatics are not..they are second gen post-Steinham/ Paglia acolytes who came into a period when feminism had to move past basic human rights and into cur culture.. take a closer look, you wont find one of them under the age of 50 and for a very good reason..they're outdated

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

sigh...see above...again and again

Are you fucking serious? I don't even want to know what you're smoking here. Let me tell you something badbabysitter, DON'T GET HIGH OFF YOUR OWN BULLSHIT.

"Good ol' boy" - More alpha male worship. All other men are treated as expendable.

"Mom and apple pie" - Why can't dad make apple pies?



"Leave it to Beaver" - No country for us black men in that universe.



I'm at a total loss here as to how you managed to twist this into absolving these people of their prejudices. TRADITIONALISTS deserve to be driven into the sea along with radical feminists. Get this into your thick skull - I hate those people just as much as I hate radical feminists. I can't imagine where you got the idea that I was absolving them. I shudder to imagine where you got that from - it must stink like hell down there.

it's because traditionalism can easily be perceived as wholesome..when you call me a " radical"..that's not comforting or approachable

why not call them radicals? why do they get a non confrontational label.. and I get " radical"?

Name one time where I've ever referred to Traditionalism in a positive light.

by calling them Traditionalists.. they're fucktards... I'm a traditional celtic leather embroiderer..I'm a Traditionalist

But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.

see above

Not women, feminism. The very real problems that African Americans face are due to a legacy of racism. The very real problems that men face are due to a legacy of both traditionalism and radical feminism.



Once again, I will reiterate the one fact you cannot and will not try to refute: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would be alive.

I haven't.. and you cant even point out where I did

That's because Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.



But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.


But lets get back to the topic: Marcel Hill died because of the legacy of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence. If this sexist, feminist principle had never existed, the police would have arrested Camia Gamet outright and Marcel Hill would still be alive.


for fucks sakes.. repeating yourself won't change I never disagreed with you

for fucks sakes.. repeating yourself won't change I never disagreed with you

for fucks sakes.. repeating yourself won't change I never disagreed with you

for fucks sakes.. repeating yourself won't change I never disagreed with you

for fucks sakes.. repeating yourself won't change I never disagreed with you

for fucks sakes.. repeating yourself won't change I never disagreed with you

That is the most important issue here.

then stop making it about women

Get rid of the FEMINIST Duluth Model of Domestic Violence and future men like Marcel Hill will stop dying. That is the solution here.

agreed..

stop prefacing injustices with attacks on women and we might consider you an egalitarian

 

[magicalmoments]

If it weren't for the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence - which presumes the man to be at fault for domestic violence - this man would have been able to get help when his girlfriend was abusing him.

Instead he's dead today.

You manginas and internet white knights can now celebrate. Aren't you mad it wasn't you?

http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2014/04/judge_responds_angrily_after_c.html



If feminists weren't out there making fun of male victims of domestic violence, Hill would have felt comfortable with going to the police. But because of the Duluth Model of Violence - which is the law of the land - he would have been ignored or arrested instead of her.

So instead he took it like a man and died.

It's a pity one of you subservient feminist males on here didn't MAN UP and go take his place.

OK..... so LJ Reloaded is a nutter..... I'm Ok with that.

 

[haurni]

So homeless men are at the top of the power/privilege pyramid.
So college dorm janitors are above the Ivy League women they're serving, in the power/privilege pyramid.

You're not serious, are you?

People have different amounts of privilege depending on all sorts of factors - their sex, orientation, race, social position, ethnic background, fluency in English, education, and so on and so on. It's called 'intersectionality'. But - and here's the important part - ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL women have it worse off than men. On average, a female janitor has it worse than a male janitor, and a female immigrant woman with poor English who cleans toilets in your office building has it worse still.

One day when a woman assaults you and the cops tell you they're not pressing charges, and people laugh at you for being attacked by a woman, you'll get it.

One day when a woman you never even met, names you as the father of her kid and you never got the notice from the Government and they assign you child support payments and they won't let you enter in DNA evidence to prove you're not the father, you'll get it.

One day when your wife cheats on you and leaves you and takes half of everything you worked hard for, you'll get it.

One day when your wife beats you up and they make fun of your ordeal on Saturday Night Live, you'll get it.

When you get accused of rape by a woman and her feminist buddies come to kill you for it, hopefully you'll prevail and survive long enough to get it.

When a woman fucks you up and the courts let her get away with it because she's a woman... you'll understand why the Men's Rights Movement exists.

Until then, keep telling yourself that men aren't being denied their rights.

Well, I scored about 30% on that test. As I said before, I have some experience with the Duluth model and male spousal abuse. (Frankly, having a restraining order issued against me was pretty much the best thing that could have happened in that it meant that I had a reason not to go back to her.) I am aware that there is more domestic violence perpetrated against women by their spouses than the other way around and that women's groups have fought hard to make the courts see this and - occasionally - take it into account.

but the minute I say I'm for a level playing field, I get called a feminist.. this isn't a theoritical, this happens whenever I get into a discussion about it... I am labled as something, and since I believe it si a positive lable, I go with it...because egalitarianism is a very popular view in third wave feminism.. which is something your laundry list of lunatics are not..they are second gen post-Steinham/ Paglia acolytes who came into a period when feminism had to move past basic human rights and into cur culture.. take a closer look, you wont find one of them under the age of 50 and for a very good reason..they're outdated

There are extremists in every movement - the MRAs have them and feminists have them, and tossing quotes back and forth proves nothing else. Fred Phelps doesn't represent all Christians anymore than Richard Dawkins represents all atheists.

Your argument is that 'feminism' (whatever that means to you) has caused the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction and that, because women have more rights, men have lost them. Rather, I would say that men have lost some of their privilege - the privilege to always have things go their way. I suggest that, on average, women have still not caught up to men and it is rarer still that a woman gets 'more than her due'. The system is not perfect and there are still miscarriages of justice or even abuses of the system - it's just that maybe now the number of both just and unjust resolutions are a bit closer to 50% than they were before.

Your concerns concerning the Duluth model are very legitmate, and you should be addressing them instead of a movement. This is what I mean by you prefacing an injustice with an attack on women

You should be working to ensure that the legal system treats everyone equally. At the same time, you need to acknowledge that, overall, it remains biased against women due to the reality of rape culture, the fact that violence against women is numerically worse than violence by women against men, and that in general women are still second-class citizens. Making the system fair for everyone means being aware of systemic injustices and working to correct them. This includes challenging social mores about sex roles and what it means to be male or female, and that some behaviours - from devaluing or objectifying to spousal abuse or rape to victim-blaming or -shaming - are unacceptable regardless of who perpetrates them.

 

[subdued_passion]

You're not serious, are you?

People have different amounts of privilege depending on all sorts of factors - their sex, orientation, race, social position, ethnic background, fluency in English, education, and so on and so on. It's called 'intersectionality'. But - and here's the important part - ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL women have it worse off than men. On average, a female janitor has it worse than a male janitor, and a female immigrant woman with poor English who cleans toilets in your office building has it worse still.


Well, I scored about 30% on that test. As I said before, I have some experience with the Duluth model and male spousal abuse. (Frankly, having a restraining order issued against me was pretty much the best thing that could have happened in that it meant that I had a reason not to go back to her.) I am aware that there is more domestic violence perpetrated against women by their spouses than the other way around and that women's groups have fought hard to make the courts see this and - occasionally - take it into account.


There are extremists in every movement - the MRAs have them and feminists have them, and tossing quotes back and forth proves nothing else. Fred Phelps doesn't represent all Christians anymore than Richard Dawkins represents all atheists.

Your argument is that 'feminism' (whatever that means to you) has caused the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction and that, because women have more rights, men have lost them. Rather, I would say that men have lost some of their privilege - the privilege to always have things go their way. I suggest that, on average, women have still not caught up to men and it is rarer still that a woman gets 'more than her due'. The system is not perfect and there are still miscarriages of justice or even abuses of the system - it's just that maybe now the number of both just and unjust resolutions are a bit closer to 50% than they were before.


You should be working to ensure that the legal system treats everyone equally. At the same time, you need to acknowledge that, overall, it remains biased against women due to the reality of rape culture, the fact that violence against women is numerically worse than violence by women against men, and that in general women are still second-class citizens. Making the system fair for everyone means being aware of systemic injustices and working to correct them. This includes challenging social mores about sex roles and what it means to be male or female, and that some behaviours - from devaluing or objectifying to spousal abuse or rape to victim-blaming or -shaming - are unacceptable regardless of who perpetrates them.

Let me save everyone some time by posting LJ's standard response where he will ignore all facts and say that this is bullshit because "rape culture" is not a real thing and then he will link you to different dictionaries to prove that it isn't real while friendzone is an actual word and proof of how women continue to trample over the rights of men.

This is the kind of logic we need to work with if we're gonna make any kind of sense to LJ.

 

[haurni]

Let me save everyone some time by posting LJ's standard response where he will ignore all facts and say that this is bullshit because "rape culture" is not a real thing and then he will link you to different dictionaries to prove that it isn't real while friendzone is an actual word and proof of how women continue to trample over the rights of men.

And what the fuck is the big deal with the 'friend zone' anyway? Sure, it's unpleasant, but that's life. Just because you ask someone out doesn't obligate them to say yes, and thinking that they are so obligated is just being self-centered (not to mention rape-y).

I don't fucking get it. People who say this sort of shit need to develop some emotional maturity. Making 'friendzoning' a 'thing' is the dating equivalent of that kid from Texas who got probation for killing 4 people because he'd never been turned down before.

 

[dan_c00000]

Well, yeah. Why do think everybody calls him Lt? His original Lit name was Lovingtongue. His first name change was the earliest sign something had gone horribly wrong at home.

His life clearly has gone horrible wrong is he's trying to troll women on an erotic fiction website.

 

[subdued_passion]

And what the fuck is the big deal with the 'friend zone' anyway? Sure, it's unpleasant, but that's life. Just because you ask someone out doesn't obligate them to say yes, and thinking that they are so obligated is just being self-centered (not to mention rape-y).

I don't fucking get it. People who say this sort of shit need to develop some emotional maturity. Making 'friendzoning' a 'thing' is the dating equivalent of that kid from Texas who got probation for killing 4 people because he'd never been turned down before.

You should check out the OP's thread list.

His life clearly has gone horrible wrong is he's trying to troll women on an erotic fiction website.

It's obvious, he's into humiliation.

 

[Blackrocker]

Culture is what it is. Why make a big deal out of something that doesn't affect you? Being a black male growing up in the South in the time following the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s, society can be crappy. That's a culture that was actually dangerous. Don't be a pussy about it. I mean, my god. First off, if a dude's being hit by his wife, he's her bitch. If he won't stop her from hitting him and won't tell anyone else, he's a pussy. And apparently, if "suhhcietyyy" and these nebulous feminists about which people are rant-happy make a man willingly allowing his wife to beat him to the point of death, I just don't know. Sounds like a wimp. I might feel sorry for him if he had some degenerative disease or whatever LJ has, but it's whatever.

Thanks for reminding me of that horrible friend zone rant. Bah gawd. I'm glad I stopped paying attention to that horrible thread. That's not still a thing, is it?

These armchair guys. I swear, 'dey be trollin'.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Let me save everyone some time by posting LJ's standard response where he will ignore all facts and say that this is bullshit because "rape culture" is not a real thing and then he will link you to different dictionaries to prove that it isn't real while friendzone is an actual word and proof of how women continue to trample over the rights of men.

This is the kind of logic we need to work with if we're gonna make any kind of sense to LJ.

Oh so it's irrational of me to say "Rape Culture" doesn't exist?
Perhaps you've been living under a rock lately but RAINN

You know, Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

said "Rape Culture" is bullshit.

"In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming "rape culture" for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime."

"While that may seem an obvious point, it has tended to get lost in recent debates. This has led to an inclination to focus on particular segment's of the student population (e.g., athletes), particular aspect's of campus culture (e.g., the Greek system), or traits that are common in many millions of law-abiding Americans (e.g., "masculinity"), rather than on the subpopulation at fault: those who choose to commit rape. This trend has the paradoxical effect of making it harder to stop sexual violence, since it removes the focus from the individual at fault, and seemingly mitigates personalresponsibility for his or her own actions."

http://rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-Task-Force-RAINN-Recommendations.pdf

I know you're too chickenshit to respond to this because, you know, it dumps a whole lot of rotten egg in your face. So I'll just let this indisuptable fact stand unopposed.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

And what the fuck is the big deal with the 'friend zone' anyway? Sure, it's unpleasant, but that's life. Just because you ask someone out doesn't obligate them to say yes, and thinking that they are so obligated is just being self-centered (not to mention rape-y).

I don't fucking get it. People who say this sort of shit need to develop some emotional maturity. Making 'friendzoning' a 'thing' is the dating equivalent of that kid from Texas who got probation for killing 4 people because he'd never been turned down before.

Like I said before, just as soon as a woman gets friendzoned by a man she's deeply in love with, she stops saying it doesn't exist.

Happens every damned time.

 

[lovecraft68]

Well one for the ladies then. So what's that hundreds of thousands of abused women to a handful of abused men?

Funny you don;t comment on the story of Jerry Remy's D-bag son who was arrested over a dozen times for abusing women including two days before he stabbed his girlfriend to death.

Never bring things like that up do you, LJ?

Of course you don't.

One dead dick to thousands of dead and abused women, oh, how horrible.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Well one for the ladies then. So what's that hundreds of thousands of abused women to a handful of abused men?

A handful, you say?

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

Violence by an Intimate Partner
• More than 1 in 3 women (35.6%) and more than 1 in 4 men (28.5%) in the United States have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7). Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator (AOR=4.4; 95% CI=3.6, 5.5).


Don't you wish you were Marcel Hill? Wouldn't you like to be killed by a woman to make up for the evil menz sins? I know you would.

Fucking pussy.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

OK..... so LJ Reloaded is a nutter..... I'm Ok with that.

So you define a nutter as someone who is not even slightly wrong in what they say. Gotcha.

Everything I said was factual and backed up with cites.

People like you should just kill yourselves and stop wasting oxygen.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You're not serious, are you?

People have different amounts of privilege depending on all sorts of factors - their sex, orientation, race, social position, ethnic background, fluency in English, education, and so on and so on. It's called 'intersectionality'. But - and here's the important part - ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL women have it worse off than men. On average, a female janitor has it worse than a male janitor, and a female immigrant woman with poor English who cleans toilets in your office building has it worse still.

Really, if she has it so bad then how come she lives longer?

Well, I scored about 30% on that test. As I said before, I have some experience with the Duluth model and male spousal abuse. (Frankly, having a restraining order issued against me was pretty much the best thing that could have happened in that it meant that I had a reason not to go back to her.) I am aware that there is more domestic violence perpetrated against women by their spouses than the other way around and that women's groups have fought hard to make the courts see this and - occasionally - take it into account.

And because of that, you accept a system that punishes men even when they're victims.

You don't give a damn about people like Marcel Hill. All you can say to him is "but women have it worse."

And that, folks, is the total failure of feminism.

There are extremists in every movement - the MRAs have them and feminists have them, and tossing quotes back and forth proves nothing else. Fred Phelps doesn't represent all Christians anymore than Richard Dawkins represents all atheists.

Your argument is that 'feminism' (whatever that means to you) has caused the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction and that, because women have more rights, men have lost them. Rather, I would say that men have lost some of their privilege - the privilege to always have things go their way.

Marcel Hill proves you wrong - they've lost some of their human rights. Feminism has swung the pendulum WAY too far.

I suggest that, on average, women have still not caught up to men and it is rarer still that a woman gets 'more than her due'. The system is not perfect and there are still miscarriages of justice or even abuses of the system - it's just that maybe now the number of both just and unjust resolutions are a bit closer to 50% than they were before.

Women get less time in prison than men for the same crime.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html

That's not 50% by any stretch of the term.

You should be working to ensure that the legal system treats everyone equally.

I am. But things like the Duluth Model ensure that the legal system will treat women better than men. By your logic the Duluth Model needs to go.

At the same time, you need to acknowledge that, overall, it remains biased against women due to the reality of rape culture

Rape Culture? You mean that thing that RAINN says doesn't even exist?

I'm sorry, let's back this up a bit... who do you expect people to believe - your word, or the word of the largest rape/incest victim support network in America? Just asking.

the fact that violence against women is numerically worse than violence by women against men, and that in general women are still second-class citizens.

Really? What law makes women second class citizens? Can you cite one? I'll wait.

Making the system fair for everyone means being aware of systemic injustices and working to correct them. This includes challenging social mores about sex roles and what it means to be male or female, and that some behaviours - from devaluing or objectifying to spousal abuse or rape to victim-blaming or -shaming - are unacceptable regardless of who perpetrates them.

You'll find on this forum that calling men "pussies" is a very common thing. Not that this aspect of sex roles bothers you.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

(Snip your other hilariously ignorant garbage)

Your concerns concerning the Duluth model are very legitmate, and you should be addressing them instead of a movement. This is what I mean by you prefacing an injustice with an attack on women

But reforming the Duluth Model is proving to be extremely difficult because of serious opposition and interference from












wait for it







GENDER FEMINISTS.

 

[bronzeage]

His life clearly has gone horrible wrong is he's trying to troll women on an erotic fiction website.

Lt has broadcast his life on Lit ever since he found the place. He used to post about his wife, his honeymoon, his job, his kids, his dog, as well as the neighbor's dog and his cars.

Now all he posts about is how unfairly men are treated by women.

What do you think happened.