If Chile had joined sides with Argentina in the Falkland war
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hahahahaha..... WD... I always enjoy your political posts.... this is so funny. Let me tell you a little story...
Two or three years ago, I was working with ENAER in Santiago, Chile. ENAER is a small aircraft company owned and operated by the Chilean Airforce. I was talking with a friend, Col. Traub of the Chilean Airforce. I asked him, "Why does Chile even have a military." He looked at me in shock and replied, "Because of our enemies, of course." I asked again, "Who are Chile's enemies?" He sternly answered, "Argentina and Peru!"
WD, there is a long standing border dispute between Argentina and Chile. When you cross the Andes Mountains between the countries, there is a gap of about 40 miles between the passport control booths of each country. There is no way in hell Chile would ever come to the aid of Argentina in a war....
Oh yeah... the Texas A&M Univ. ROTC could have beaten the Argentine military....
Little countries like that should just shitcan their military, pour all that money into education and infrastructure, and then become buddy-buddy with us so that if the shit hits the fan, we send in the Marines to do some heavy lifting.
I guess everyone needs a little miltiary power, but most countries go overboard out of national pride. What a waste.
Chile is an interesting country. As long as the US Pacific coast, as wide as an LA expressway. You roll out of bed the wrong way in Chile and you're in Argentina.
I guess everyone needs a little miltiary power, but most countries go overboard out of national pride. What a waste.
Chile is an interesting country. As long as the US Pacific coast, as wide as an LA expressway. You roll out of bed the wrong way in Chile and you're in Argentina.
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Actually, Chile may be the most beautiful country I have ever traveled in; well, at least from Santiago/Valparaiso to the south. The scenery looks a lot like British Columbia but with higher mountains and more water. Chile is definately the safest Latin American country, especially for westerners.
Santiago is the only major Latin American city where the tap water is completely safe to drink. Chile is an excellent tourist destination, although it is a little expensive when compared to most LA countries.
Actually, Chile may be the most beautiful country I have ever traveled in; well, at least from Santiago/Valparaiso to the south. The scenery looks a lot like British Columbia but with higher mountains and more water. Chile is definately the safest Latin American country, especially for westerners.
Santiago is the only major Latin American city where the tap water is completely safe to drink. Chile is an excellent tourist destination, although it is a little expensive when compared to most LA countries.
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Re: Re: If Chile had joined sides with Argentina in the Falkland war
Cool so you would have been there when Pinochette was sill in power. Did anyone ever say anything about him or Allende? Anything at all about the Coup or was it sort of just not mentioned?
I did a research paper on the Allende Coup in Chile. Made me get really interested in the country.
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hahahahaha..... WD... I always enjoy your political posts.... this is so funny. Let me tell you a little story...
Two or three years ago, I was working with ENAER in Santiago, Chile. ENAER is a small aircraft company owned and operated by the Chilean Airforce. I was talking with a friend, Col. Traub of the Chilean Airforce. I asked him, "Why does Chile even have a military." He looked at me in shock and replied, "Because of our enemies, of course." I asked again, "Who are Chile's enemies?" He sternly answered, "Argentina and Peru!"
WD, there is a long standing border dispute between Argentina and Chile. When you cross the Andes Mountains between the countries, there is a gap of about 40 miles between the passport control booths of each country. There is no way in hell Chile would ever come to the aid of Argentina in a war....
Oh yeah... the Texas A&M Univ. ROTC could have beaten the Argentine military....
Cool so you would have been there when Pinochette was sill in power. Did anyone ever say anything about him or Allende? Anything at all about the Coup or was it sort of just not mentioned?
I did a research paper on the Allende Coup in Chile. Made me get really interested in the country.
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Actually, the U.S. found itself in an interesting situation during the Falklands War. The solution was even more interesting.
Like many countries, Argentina purchases most of their military aircraft from the U.S. The American aircraft company Martin Marietta owns and operates a fairly large military aircraft repair facility in Cordoba, Argentina.
During the Falklands War, Britain asked the U.S. to close the Martin Marietta plant. In an effort to prevent the closure of the factory, Argentina threatened to start purchasing their military hardware from China if the plant was closed.
In an effort to appease both sides, the U.S. agreed with Argentina to keep the facility open, while at the same time, secretly promising Britain that all repairs made in the factory during the war would be completed so slowly that the aircraft would be "out-of-commission" for the balance of the war.
Because the war only lasted a few weeks, Martin Marietta survived the conflict while keeping both sides happy.
Actually, the U.S. found itself in an interesting situation during the Falklands War. The solution was even more interesting.
Like many countries, Argentina purchases most of their military aircraft from the U.S. The American aircraft company Martin Marietta owns and operates a fairly large military aircraft repair facility in Cordoba, Argentina.
During the Falklands War, Britain asked the U.S. to close the Martin Marietta plant. In an effort to prevent the closure of the factory, Argentina threatened to start purchasing their military hardware from China if the plant was closed.
In an effort to appease both sides, the U.S. agreed with Argentina to keep the facility open, while at the same time, secretly promising Britain that all repairs made in the factory during the war would be completed so slowly that the aircraft would be "out-of-commission" for the balance of the war.
Because the war only lasted a few weeks, Martin Marietta survived the conflict while keeping both sides happy.
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Azwed.... I could write a very big book on this subject. And a lot of it would be from my personal experiences. I was too young for the Pinochet coup, but my dad was in Chile working for the U.S. Dept of Justice during that time. I have had many close friends in Chile for many years. ( I have been working down there regularly for 17 years.) I have friends who were fans of Pinochet and freinds who still hate him today.
Chile is the progressive country it is today because of the good things Pinochet did for the country. However, Pinochet was also a ruthless dictator who killed many of his own people. The country is still very divided about their feelings concerning Pinochet. Almost everyone believes the fall of Allende was a good thing....
I can bore people easily in this thread.... but for me, it's an interesting subject.
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Azwed.... I could write a very big book on this subject. And a lot of it would be from my personal experiences. I was too young for the Pinochet coup, but my dad was in Chile working for the U.S. Dept of Justice during that time. I have had many close friends in Chile for many years. ( I have been working down there regularly for 17 years.) I have friends who were fans of Pinochet and freinds who still hate him today.
Chile is the progressive country it is today because of the good things Pinochet did for the country. However, Pinochet was also a ruthless dictator who killed many of his own people. The country is still very divided about their feelings concerning Pinochet. Almost everyone believes the fall of Allende was a good thing....
I can bore people easily in this thread.... but for me, it's an interesting subject.
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lavy darlin.... I'm not an Aggie, but I'm married to one....
The only Texas school I went to has a big mean ole "OWL" for a mascot....hahahaha...
Who...Who.... YOU KNOW WHO.... OWLS.. OWLS.... GO OWLS....
doesn't that just terrify you????hahahaha
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I forgot. Are you an Aggie? If you aren't, you are now a de facto Aggie because of the above post.
lavy darlin.... I'm not an Aggie, but I'm married to one....
The only Texas school I went to has a big mean ole "OWL" for a mascot....hahahaha...
Who...Who.... YOU KNOW WHO.... OWLS.. OWLS.... GO OWLS....
doesn't that just terrify you????hahahaha
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Ok that sort of falls in line with what I have heard and since these are your close good friends they would be more up front and honest with you then the average person.
Kind of like we don't really like how we got here but we are glad we are here. Now lets try and put the past behind us but never let anything like that happen again.
You can try to bore me with more details if you wish I doubt you could and I have a feeling some people around here could use some edumication
Kind of like we don't really like how we got here but we are glad we are here. Now lets try and put the past behind us but never let anything like that happen again.
You can try to bore me with more details if you wish I doubt you could and I have a feeling some people around here could use some edumication
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If you ever get the opportunity to visit Chile, please give yourself a couple of weeks. Don't let how narrow the country is, fool you.
Chile has sooo much to see and do. My three favorite cities in the world are Madrid, Buenos Aires and Santiago. (not that I've visited all the beautiful cities in the world)
When you go south from Santiago, you go through the Lake District. It is called that for a very good reason. There are countless beautiful lakes and streams with waterfalls everywhere. The area is not heavily populated and you feel like you are the first person to see many of the sites.
The coastline is gorgeous. The hills and mountains come right down to the ocean with dense forests and rocky cliffs.
South of the Lake District, you get into Patagonia. The weather is usually cold and the wind is blowing, but it is still beautiful. You feel like you are driving or walking through a National Geographic article on the most remote places in the world.
I have never been further south than Punta Arenas, but that place feels like the "end of the earth". There are icebergs in the bays even during January and February. The fishing for trout and salmon is the best in the world....
Damn... I need a vacation.... I've been at home for a month during the holidays.... I'm stir crazy.... I need to go somewhere...
If you ever get the opportunity to visit Chile, please give yourself a couple of weeks. Don't let how narrow the country is, fool you.
Chile has sooo much to see and do. My three favorite cities in the world are Madrid, Buenos Aires and Santiago. (not that I've visited all the beautiful cities in the world)
When you go south from Santiago, you go through the Lake District. It is called that for a very good reason. There are countless beautiful lakes and streams with waterfalls everywhere. The area is not heavily populated and you feel like you are the first person to see many of the sites.
The coastline is gorgeous. The hills and mountains come right down to the ocean with dense forests and rocky cliffs.
South of the Lake District, you get into Patagonia. The weather is usually cold and the wind is blowing, but it is still beautiful. You feel like you are driving or walking through a National Geographic article on the most remote places in the world.
I have never been further south than Punta Arenas, but that place feels like the "end of the earth". There are icebergs in the bays even during January and February. The fishing for trout and salmon is the best in the world....
Damn... I need a vacation.... I've been at home for a month during the holidays.... I'm stir crazy.... I need to go somewhere...
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Was your mascot perhaps a Millitant Lesbian??
No offense to Sexy-Girl or Never.
That is sort of an inside joke I doubt anyone here would get and if you did get that then you should be able to know exactly who i am. OOOOps.
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I was almost an Owl. Then I decided to choose a school with an even more ridiculous mascot.
Was your mascot perhaps a Millitant Lesbian??
No offense to Sexy-Girl or Never.
That is sort of an inside joke I doubt anyone here would get and if you did get that then you should be able to know exactly who i am. OOOOps.
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I can only think of one school (from the Dallas area) with a mascot more ridiculous than an owl..... is that why you always seem to be "horny"?...
Pinochet and Peron... the last two strong Latin American dictators. They are still the sterotypes used in the movies. The major difference between them was their outlook on the rest of the world. Pinochet tried to open the Chilean economy to the outside world; while Peron tried to close Argentina up and create a self-supporting economy. They both provided enough political stability to allow prosperity under their rule, but the Pinochet model has lasted and the Peron model is responsible for the economic destruction of Argentina. Funny thing is, Argentina would LOVE to have a Peron back in power.
I think a study of those two dictators and their economic models should turn any protectionist/socialist into a free trade/capitalist.
The human rights abuses of both were terrible. The major differences there, were the targets of their terror. Pinochet targeted "ordinary" citizens with his "death squads". While Peron executed his closest friends and his most powerful opponents. Pinochet chose to instill fear by making people beleive that EVERYONE was within his reach. While Peron tried to limit direct threats to his power and gain the support of the masses.
Lavy, I confess I don't know anything about feminist movements in Latin America. I could learn some things from you about that subject.
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I was almost an Owl. Then I decided to choose a school with an even more ridiculous mascot.
Regarding Pinochet:
Due to Pinochet, Chile became the model for economic development and greater political stability for South America. He was politically and economically a savior for that country. But, his social and human impact on the nation was at best deplorable. I think anyone studying Latin American history will agree that at that time in Latin America a dictatorship was the only way to truly control all the different factions in society. Texan, I would love to hear your perspective on this. I did quite a bit of research on the political and economic development in Chile in comparison with Argentina. My focus was more on the human rights policies and the differing feminist movements in these countries in order to protect the citizens. I find it to be a fascinating topic. I wish I could keep up with it more these days.
I can only think of one school (from the Dallas area) with a mascot more ridiculous than an owl..... is that why you always seem to be "horny"?...
Pinochet and Peron... the last two strong Latin American dictators. They are still the sterotypes used in the movies. The major difference between them was their outlook on the rest of the world. Pinochet tried to open the Chilean economy to the outside world; while Peron tried to close Argentina up and create a self-supporting economy. They both provided enough political stability to allow prosperity under their rule, but the Pinochet model has lasted and the Peron model is responsible for the economic destruction of Argentina. Funny thing is, Argentina would LOVE to have a Peron back in power.
I think a study of those two dictators and their economic models should turn any protectionist/socialist into a free trade/capitalist.
The human rights abuses of both were terrible. The major differences there, were the targets of their terror. Pinochet targeted "ordinary" citizens with his "death squads". While Peron executed his closest friends and his most powerful opponents. Pinochet chose to instill fear by making people beleive that EVERYONE was within his reach. While Peron tried to limit direct threats to his power and gain the support of the masses.
Lavy, I confess I don't know anything about feminist movements in Latin America. I could learn some things from you about that subject.
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As I rember Chilie gave access to the UK for refueling etc from their airpotrts to spite the ARGIES
As usual the Yanks were no bloody good!!
As usual the Yanks were no bloody good!!
