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Either that or we'll get a whole slew of new kook rants out of him tonight heheheheh.

I'm a bastard. Cha cha chaaaa.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0917/p01s02-usec.html

With finance crisis, hands-off era over

More oversight lies ahead, no matter who's in the Oval Office.
By Peter Grier | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

from the September 17, 2008 edition

Washington - The great financial shakeout of 2008 – one of the most dire US fiscal crises of modern times – is likely to change permanently the relationship between Wall Street and Washington.

Already Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has overshadowed New York's titans of finance with his decisions as to which institutions will get government aid and which will not. If things don't get worse, history may credit Mr. Paulson with helping to pull the economy back from the brink, as financier J.P. Morgan did in the Bankers' Panic of 1907.

Beyond that, a long period of Washington laissez faire toward financial markets may well be at an end. The details of regulation could be different, depending on which candidate wins the White House this fall. But more US oversight seems inevitable.

"We need to restructure the system to reduce the chance of having another crisis," says Douglas Elmendorf, a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution.

Financial regulators may win access to more internal information from financial institutions, allowing them to better judge the risks they are running. They may also look for ways to control derivatives, financial instruments backed by mortgages or other types of assets, which have become complex "to the point of absurdity," in Mr. Elmendorf's words.

There's a sense that Washington needs to modernize a system of financial oversight rooted in government entities founded after the Great Depression.

"We have an archaic financial regulatory system ... it really needs to be rebuilt," Paulson told reporters at the White House on Sept. 15. The US needs a balance between regulation and market discipline, added Paulson, who last spring proposed a package of tougher regulations for investment banks, including giving more oversight powers to the Federal Reserve.

The crisis management of the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve appeared to have stabilized markets, at least for the short term. Though the Dow Jones Index fell over 500 points on Sept. 15, the sell-off was orderly and could have been worse, according to analysts.

But major Asian and European bourses also suffered sell-offs and the fate of the insurance giant American International Group remains in question, following the Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy and the sale of Merrill Lynch to the Bank of America.

By declining to use government funds to help Lehman, Washington ensured the financial crisis would enter a new and perhaps decisive phase. But it was the right step to take, said some analysts. While Bear Stearns collapsed quickly, Lehman's problems have developed over time. Any firm that stands to lose money due to interrconnections with Lehman may have only itself to blame.

Or, such firms may have been counting on a government bailout.

"To the extent that there were any major players in the market not prepared for Lehman Brothers' demise, that would be the clearest signal that moral hazard had begun to sink into the market. So it was the right decision to not step in with financial guarantees for Lehman," says Benn Steil, senior fellow and director of international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Looking forward, Washington may need to set up a temporary new agency capable of buying and selling the toxic mortgage-backed assets that are dragging down Wall Street firms, said former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker in a Sept. 15 speech. Such an agency would be similar to the Resolution Trust Corporation, the US-backed clearinghouse that helped move the nation through the savings-and-loan crisis of the 1980s.

But others say Washington shares some blame for the current crisis. Under longtime head Alan Greenspan, the Federal Reserve stood by while the housing market overheated, charges University of Maryland economic historian David Sicilia. Nor did the Fed talk about regulating derivatives or hedge funds until it was too late, in Sicilia's view.
 
The state's role should be to punish and discourage bad behavior, but every time we bail out another massive firm brought down by stupid/greedy behavior, we encourage it.
 
The state's role should be to punish and discourage bad behavior, but every time we bail out another massive firm brought down by stupid/greedy behavior, we encourage it.
Indeed, by bailing out these corporations, the state punish those who are doing things right - as in, we pay taxes to save these corporations from their mistakes.
 
"The free market system is based on honesty and integrity." I quote, from Ami.

This is merely honesty and integrity in action, don't you know? You see, the crooks count on the honesty and integrity of their patsies to make their money. It makes perfect sense to me. And to Ami.
 
It is the bad news express. The federal gov't simply cannot afford to bail out these companies. They did it to themselves, what with the robber barons trading pieces of paper back and forth. And the gov't should have to act consistently. Why different rules for AIG and Lehman? I say let the chips fall as they will. Anything done now is just a stop gap motion. "She comes undone" I say!

In the long run it will be a good thing. Perhaps the country will get back to producing things and valuing folks who contribute to society other than by simply providing "trickle down" income to the working poor.
 
"The free market system is based on honesty and integrity." I quote, from Ami.

This is merely honesty and integrity in action, don't you know? You see, the crooks count on the honesty and integrity of their patsies to make their money. It makes perfect sense to me. And to Ami.
*coke spew*
 
The truly funny part is: I have some money (not enough to worry about) in a retirement account at AIG, leftover from my last day job. I wonder if Ami will cover it for me if I can't get it back? I mean, if the guy insists on bringing up the 'honesty and integrity' claim, now would be the time for him to put his money where his mouth is. Judging from his pretend-resume, he's made enough dough off of shmucks like me to give a few bucks back.
 
It is the bad news express. The federal gov't simply cannot afford to bail out these companies. They did it to themselves, what with the robber barons trading pieces of paper back and forth. And the gov't should have to act consistently. Why different rules for AIG and Lehman? I say let the chips fall as they will. Anything done now is just a stop gap motion. "She comes undone" I say!

In the long run it will be a good thing. Perhaps the country will get back to producing things and valuing folks who contribute to society other than by simply providing "trickle down" income to the working poor.

Thou dreamest a leftie dream, thou. But I love thee, for it is a worthy one.
 
erm... wrong thread.
 
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It is the bad news express. The federal gov't simply cannot afford to bail out these companies. They did it to themselves, what with the robber barons trading pieces of paper back and forth. And the gov't should have to act consistently. Why different rules for AIG and Lehman? I say let the chips fall as they will. Anything done now is just a stop gap motion. "She comes undone" I say!

In the long run it will be a good thing. Perhaps the country will get back to producing things and valuing folks who contribute to society other than by simply providing "trickle down" income to the working poor.

The problem is, the people who get hurt the most aren't the people who were in charge of these companies, but the little people whose money they'd invested. Millions of people will lose their retirement money and the failure of AIG will start a domino effect that will cost millions more their retirement money. People are going to made penniless.

It turns out they put their retirement money not in the hands of a bunch of canny money managers, but in the hands of a gaggle of wild-eyed fools, who blew it in search of greater and greater profits.

But as a matter of fact, you're right. This is how the market works. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. They were going for the big profits by taking big risks and it blew up in their faces. The investors have no one to blame but themselves.

Now: Aren't we glad we didn't let Bush privatize Social Security? That might be all of our money going up in flames on Wall Street.
 
The truly funny part is: I have some money (not enough to worry about) in a retirement account at AIG, leftover from my last day job. I wonder if Ami will cover it for me if I can't get it back? I mean, if the guy insists on bringing up the 'honesty and integrity' claim, now would be the time for him to put his money where his mouth is. Judging from his pretend-resume, he's made enough dough off of shmucks like me to give a few bucks back.

Your money is safe! Ami gave me his personal assurance that he will underwrite any losses sustained by a member of the AH community, all you have to do is electronically sign the pledge below:


























I, being of sound mind, willingly adopt the economic, religious and social beliefs of my mentor, Amicus. From this day forth I will defend his honour, proclaim his intelligence and perform all and any actions he may require of me to establish him as the leading authority on... just about everything.

Sign here . . . . . . . . . . . . . .









:D
 
I, being of sound mind, willingly adopt the economic, religious and social beliefs of my mentor, Amicus. From this day forth I will defend his honour, proclaim his intelligence and perform all and any actions he may require of me to establish him as the leading authority on... just about everything.

Sign here . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:D

It ain't worth it. I'll throw away my money before I'll throw away my integrity.
 
Thou dreamest a leftie dream, thou. But I love thee, for it is a worthy one.

*Curtsies* This girl will always dream...

The problem is, the people who get hurt the most aren't the people who were in charge of these companies, but the little people whose money they'd invested. Millions of people will lose their retirement money and the failure of AIG will start a domino effect that will cost millions more their retirement money. People are going to made penniless.

It turns out they put their retirement money not in the hands of a bunch of canny money managers, but in the hands of a gaggle of wild-eyed fools, who blew it in search of greater and greater profits.

But as a matter of fact, you're right. This is how the market works. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. They were going for the big profits by taking big risks and it blew up in their faces. The investors have no one to blame but themselves.

Now: Aren't we glad we didn't let Bush privatize Social Security? That might be all of our money going up in flames on Wall Street.

Indeed, this is the free market economy at play. Win big, lose big. The part I cannot seem to come to terms with is that some of the players only want to play the game if they are guaranteed a win. Around the scrabble board, that is what we call a poor sport.

Further, it is despicable that these captains of industry saw it coming and reaped their big year end bonuses regardless. Heck, I saw it coming and I am no economist, no hedgefundIbankingemergingmarketssubprimemortgage expert. Anyone with a bit of intelligence and an ability to understand market trends and human behavior could see the storm brewing on the horizon!!

And with regards to Social Security. Yah. Imagine that. Although I suspect this is the final nail in the coffin for it anyways. I certainly never expected to collect, privatized or not. That money is spent. "Gone baby gone".

And yes, we all suffer for it now. Our parents, our sibling, colleagues and friends. It touches all of us now. It is easy to turn a blind eye on someone else's suffering when is far removed, but I wonder if the prevalence of suffering hitting closer might make it more difficult to turn our backs. Perhaps, perhaps this will ACTUALLY prove to be the change we need. It certainly will prove to be the 'change we can believe in', because baby, like it or not, THAT change is coming at us fast like a swirling Tazmanian Devil!!
 
The problem is, the people who get hurt the most aren't the people who were in charge of these companies, but the little people whose money they'd invested. Millions of people will lose their retirement money and the failure of AIG will start a domino effect that will cost millions more their retirement money. People are going to made penniless.
The problem is, the bailout of AIG will not stop all those people from being made penniless. It will only delay what appears to be the inevitable. At that point we're talking tens of millions, not just millions.

It turns out they put their retirement money not in the hands of a bunch of canny money managers, but in the hands of a gaggle of wild-eyed fools, who blew it in search of greater and greater profits.

But as a matter of fact, you're right. This is how the market works. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances. They were going for the big profits by taking big risks and it blew up in their faces. The investors have no one to blame but themselves.

Now: Aren't we glad we didn't let Bush privatize Social Security? That might be all of our money going up in flames on Wall Street.
The good side is we might have to hit the reset button if that happened.
 
So what does Amicus do now that even MORE regulation is about to set into the financial industry.. permanently? :D
 
So what does Amicus do now that even MORE regulation is about to set into the financial industry.. permanently? :D

Pontificate about drawing and quartering all evil liberals in the town square?

Advocate child labor in sweat shops?

Claim that all women, except Sarah Palin, should be disallowed from doing business in the financial sector?

Ami has many viable options.
 
I have this fantasy of "Amicunt" and "La Jackass" meeting, getting into a vein-popping scream-fight, and then suddenly falling into each other's arms, kissing passionately, and engaging in wild, abandoned carnal relations.

It frightens me that others here may have similar fantasies about me and Pure. :eek:

Guess I've just seen too many movies over the decades. :rolleyes:

~~~~~

As for the premise of the thread, that the path to prosperity lies with more political control of the economy: If you believe that I have a bridge project in Alaska I'd like to sell you some revenue bonds for.
 
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It is the bad news express. The federal gov't simply cannot afford to bail out these companies. They did it to themselves, what with the robber barons trading pieces of paper back and forth. And the gov't should have to act consistently. Why different rules for AIG and Lehman? I say let the chips fall as they will. Anything done now is just a stop gap motion. "She comes undone" I say!

In the long run it will be a good thing. Perhaps the country will get back to producing things and valuing folks who contribute to society other than by simply providing "trickle down" income to the working poor.

Way I heard it Lehman was small enough to let go without dire international consequences. And they wanted to let AIG go, but in the end scientists decreed that it's so big and diverse that if they didn't bail out AIG the Earth would get sucked into the sun, or at least our economy.
 
I have this fantasy of "Amicunt" and "La Jackass" meeting, getting into a vein-popping scream-fight, and then suddenly falling into each other's arms, kissing passionately, and engaging in wild, abandoned carnal relations.

It frightens me that others here may have similar fantasies about me and Pure. :eek:

Guess I've just seen too many movies over the decades. :rolleyes:

~~~~~

As for the premise of the thread, that the path to prosperity lies with more political control of the economy: If you believe that I have a bridge project in Alaska I'd like to sell you some revenue bonds for.

I must be wearing my Freudian slip. The first time I read this I saw, "kissing passionately, and engaging in wild, abandoned camel relations." Actually, that would be a pretty good fantasy as well, with the camel "doing" both of them!
 
As for the premise of the thread, that the path to prosperity lies with more political control of the economy: If you believe that I have a bridge project in Alaska I'd like to sell you some revenue bonds for.

Reading about the recent meltdown,I came across an interesting quote from John Maynard Keynes. I can't remember it verbatim, but maybe you know it and can correct me.

It was something like, "Capitalism rests on the rather astonishing proposition that the very worst people engaged in the very worst behavior will somehow benefit all of mankind."
 
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