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cheerful_deviant

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... he can now have it. And there's nothing you can do about it.

Another giant step forward for big buisness, another step back for individual citizens.

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Justices, 5-4, Back Seizure of Property for Development

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 23, 2005
WASHINGTON (AP)
-- A divided Supreme Court ruled Thursday that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses against their will for private development in a decision anxiously awaited in communities where economic growth often is at war with individual property rights.

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Text: Background on the Case (findlaw.com) The 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.

As a result, cities now have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes in order to generate tax revenue.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.

Connecticut residents involved in the lawsuit expressed dismay and pledged to keep fighting.

''It's a little shocking to believe you can lose your home in this country,'' said resident Bill Von Winkle, who said he would refuse to leave his home, even if bulldozers showed up. ''I won't be going anywhere. Not my house. This is definitely not the last word.''

Scott Bullock, an attorney for the Institute for Justice representing the families, added: ''A narrow majority of the court simply got the law wrong today and our Constitution and country will suffer as a result.''

Writing for the court, Justice John Paul Stevens said local officials, not federal judges, know best in deciding whether a development project will benefit the community. States are within their rights to pass additional laws restricting condemnations if residents are overly burdened, he said.

''The city has carefully formulated an economic development that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including -- but by no means limited to -- new jobs and increased tax revenue,'' Stevens wrote in an opinion joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

''It is not for the courts to oversee the choice of the boundary line nor to sit in review on the size of a particular project area,'' he said.

At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for ''public use.''

Susette Kelo and several other homeowners in a working-class neighborhood in New London, Conn., filed suit after city officials announced plans to raze their homes for a riverfront hotel, health club and offices.

New London officials countered that the private development plans served a public purpose of boosting economic growth that outweighed the homeowners' property rights, even if the area wasn't blighted.

''We're pleased,'' attorney Edward O'Connell, who represents New London Development Corporation, said in response to the ruling.

The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.

''Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random,'' O'Connor wrote. ''The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms.''

She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Nationwide, more than 10,000 properties were threatened or condemned in recent years, according to the Institute for Justice, a Washington public interest law firm representing the New London homeowners.

New London, a town of less than 26,000, once was a center of the whaling industry and later became a manufacturing hub. More recently the city has suffered the kind of economic woes afflicting urban areas across the country, with losses of residents and jobs.

The New London neighborhood that will be swept away includes Victorian-era houses and small businesses that in some instances have been owned by several generations of families. Among the New London residents in the case is a couple in their 80s who have lived in the same home for more than 50 years.

City officials envision a commercial development that would attract tourists to the Thames riverfront, complementing an adjoining Pfizer Corp. research center and a proposed Coast Guard museum.

New London was backed in its appeal by the National League of Cities, which argued that a city's eminent domain power was critical to spurring urban renewal with development projects such Baltimore's Inner Harbor and Kansas City's Kansas Speedway.

Under the ruling, residents still will be entitled to ''just compensation'' for their homes as provided under the Fifth Amendment. However, Kelo and the other homeowners had refused to move at any price, calling it an unjustified taking of their property.

The case was one of six resolved by justices on Thursday. Still pending at the high court are cases dealing with the constitutionality of government Ten Commandments displays and the liability of Internet file-sharing services for clients' illegal swapping of copyrighted songs and movies. The Supreme Court next meets on Monday.

The case is Kelo et al v. City of New London, 04-108.
 
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I never though I would see the day when I would say 'Good on you' to Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas.

But 'Good on you' guys.

Now I'm hearing that damn sound again. The sound of knitting, with the occasional meaty 'THUNK' interspersed.
 
I was immensely dissapointed in this ruling. It will impact others in process as well. I heard the statements from the city planners and they offered no excuse other than increased tax base. That's it. If your city can screw more money out of someone else, then kiss your little shack goodbye.

I wish I had any real hope that the people of this city would rise up and storm the offices of the asses who did this.

Shanglan
 
rgraham666 said:
Now you know one of the reasons I call neo-conservatives, neo-Marxists.


And I just had an awful discussion with my mom about politics.

*sigh*

I know better than to bring it up. She and my dad both voted for Bush (what in the hell were they thinking???) and their source of information is FOX news so their ability to obtain unbiased and complete news coverage of any story is a bit limited.

Anyway, I offered to show her video clips online of our esteemed President (and Darth Cheney) reversing positions on several issues from a couple of years ago. In essence, lying about what they said they would do and what they are now doing.

She did not want to hear it. Any of it. And she's a retired Director of Nurses, for pete's sake. You'd think she'd support the common man.

She has hardened her views in so many areas - this formerly kind person is now making rude comments about people on food stamps. (The only reason that came up is because I found someone's Wic book in a grocery cart in the parking lot the other day. I turned it back in to the store and happened to mention that to her. Hence the rude comment.)

And that is very strange. I think the food stamp book belonged to a young mom and a baby I saw in the store earlier. Food for kids? The government has misappropriated so many of our tax dollars anyway - I'd prefer it at least help children.

How can my intellient mother begrudge food for children but vote for more weapons? This is a recent development, otherwise I believe I would share those same views.

The politics of deceit and ruling through fear in the U.S. must end.
 
Hm. It strikes me that the problems with support for children in poverty are actually very much like the problem of support for nations in poverty. One wants very much to help them for the sheer humanity of it. Yet sometimes, one has to work through the person whose decisions have landed them in poverty.

This is not, of course, axiomatically true, and I don't wish to suggest it is. Sometimes people are poor because they've had a bad run of luck. Sometimes they were just born without the ability to develop very competitive skills. And, ahem ... some of them serve in our military, whose wages, at least a few years ago, were still low enough that some of the families were receiving food stamps.

But there are other reasons for being poor as well. Bad decision-making. Neglecting education or self-discipline. Substance abuse. Mental incapacity. In all of these cases, aid becomes much more difficult because to help the child, you have to go through the person whose actions caused the problem in the first place. This can lead to frustrating situations, as the money is not always used wisely or for its intended purpose. Those giving the money sometimes become hardened, because they focus on these cases and feel that their money is being wasted by people they don't respect. It's difficult to know how to deal with this sort of situation.

And so, I think, on the international scene. When a bad government, like North Korea or Zimbabwe, is a large part of the reason for poverty, it's hard to know how best to aid the people of the country. You have to work through the people who are the problem in the first place. Some people do get frustrated with the whole idea of aid, because they focus mostly on the elements that enrich people who are greedy and ruthless.

I wish I had a solution. I think it's one of the most difficult questions to answer. The only thing that seems likely to work in physical terms is to remove control from the person causing the problem. In reality, however, we have neither the resources nor the legal standing to deny adults ontrol of their own households or governments control of their own countries, however bad they may be at it. No one wants to take the first step in that direction, for fear that we will be next. Yet sometimes the results of inaction are tragic.

Who's got a plan?
 
Right now there are a million Native Americans seeing this ruling and they are laughing their collective asses off thinking, "See? How do YOU like it?"
 
Dranoel said:
Right now there are a million Native Americans seeing this ruling and they are laughing their collective asses off thinking, "See? How do YOU like it?"

The ones in Connecticut are already laughing... all the way to the bank. Within a few years I tink they'll own the whole state.
 
Dranoel said:
Right now there are a million Native Americans seeing this ruling and they are laughing their collective asses off thinking, "See? How do YOU like it?"
They got their damn beads!!! Sheesh.

Awaiting the wrath of the Cloud Warrior....LOL
 
FUCK!

I had entertained hopes the high court would knock this down. Vain hopes.

I am so inervated I don't even have words.
 
cheerful_deviant said:
The ones in Connecticut are already laughing... all the way to the bank. Within a few years I tink they'll own the whole state.

Good for them. Maybe the taxes will go down.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
FUCK!

I had entertained hopes the high court would knock this down. Vain hopes.

I am so inervated I don't even have words.

Making the rich richer, one civil liberty at a time. :(
 
Don't you find it a bit ironic that the stereotyped "neo cons" didn't vote in favor of this measure? Rhenquist, Scalia, O'Connor and Thomas are all stereotyped as being conservative puppets. Yet, they all voted against this measure.

Ginsberg and Breyer were both Clinton appointees, yet they voted for this measure.

It wasn't the neo cons that got this one through. The Dems claim to be the ones looking out for the little guy. Their appointees certainly dropped the ball on this one. The "fat cats" obviously have pull on both sides of the aisle.
 
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Wildcard Ky said:
Don't you find it a bit ironic that the stereotyped "neo cons" didn't vote in favor of this measure? Rhenquist, Scalia, O'Connor and Thomas are all stereotyped as being conservative puppets. Yet, they all voted against this measure.

Ginsberg and Breyer were both Clinton appointees, yet they voted for this measure.

It wasn't the neo cons that got this one through. The Dems claim to be the ones looking out for the little guy. Their appointees certainly dropped the ball on this one. The "fat cats" obviously have pull on both sides of the aisle.

Yeap... the only way a 'conversative' could defend this decision is to front it as a states/local government issue.

This is a left-leaning decision if I ever saw one, for fuck's sake THOMAS said it was 'unconstitutional'.

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
One slight ray of hope - the decision evidently specifically states that the government has not placed any limitation on state and local laws forbidding this sort of use of eminent domain. It can be outlawed on the state level.
 
Wildcard Ky said:
Don't you find it a bit ironic that the stereotyped "neo cons" didn't vote in favor of this measure? Rhenquist, Scalia, O'Connor and Thomas are all stereotyped as being conservative puppets. Yet, they all voted against this measure.

Ginsberg and Breyer were both Clinton appointees, yet they voted for this measure.

It wasn't the neo cons that got this one through. The Dems claim to be the ones looking out for the little guy. Their appointees certainly dropped the ball on this one. The "fat cats" obviously have pull on both sides of the aisle.
Clinton was as neocon as anyone. NAFTA. Lots of stuff. He campaigned like a Dem, but acted like a corporate supporter neocon in office.
 
BlackShanglan said:
One slight ray of hope - the decision evidently specifically states that the government has not placed any limitation on state and local laws forbidding this sort of use of eminent domain. It can be outlawed on the state level.
My city already levelled a good-sized neighborhood to put in a chain store and its parking lot. By eminent domain, because of "jobs" and "tax base." They didn't need a Supreme Court ruling.
 
Damn it.

This was very disappointing. I have not heard any opinions from anyone in support of this.


I hope this is revisited soon.

I am not angry as in raise my fist, but I really am not ....

aw fuck :(
 
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