I'd do the same thing.

china-doll

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I'm not usually a fan of vigilanty justice, but it this case it sounds like the father did a community service and in his place I probablly would have done the same. Of course, he'll probablly be sued for 100 million dollars by the robbers family for 'Wrongful Death". :mad:

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Police: Dad Kills Robber After Threats To Rape Girls

POSTED: 7:46 AM EST November 24, 2004


TRENTON, N.J. -- A frightened father who chased after four men who robbed him and threatened to rape his daughter killed one of the suspects by running him over with a sport utility vehicle, police said.

Police were still searching Tuesday for one of the four suspects who might face murder charges in addition to robbery and weapons violations. The father, 54-year-old Robert O'Neal has not been charged, said Sgt. Pedro Medina.

"Right now it's still under investigation. He's not being charged with anything," Medina said. Should He Face Charges?Should this dad face charges for killing a gunman suspected of robbing him and threatening to rape his daughters?NoYes

O'Neal was robbed at gunpoint outside his home Sunday night, according to police reports. He had just walked his two daughters to the house and returned to his car when he was confronted by the four suspects.

One of them demanded his wallet, and O'Neal handed it over, according to police. Inside were his credit cards and identification.

When the four left, O'Neal jumped into his silver Dodge Durango and chased after them along Route 29.

One of the suspects fired several shots at O'Neal from the back of a station wagon. O'Neal smashed into the suspect's car, and the gunman jumped out and fired two more shots at O'Neal, according to the police report.

During that chase O'Neal ran over the gunman, police said. The dead man was identified by police as 20-year-old Trenton resident Jose Alvarez, an escapee from a Middlesex County corrections facility.

"When they threatened to rape my daughters, that was it," O'Neal told The Times of Trenton for Tuesday newspapers. "They put a gun to my head. I was afraid they were going to come back."

O'Neal said he was simply standing up for himself, and did not plan to hurt anyone. He told CNN that he had only intended to get the suspects' license plate number. He said he didn't intentionally run over the man.

"This (criminal activity) has got to stop," he told the newspaper. "If we don't stand up for ourselves, it won't stop."

Police have arrested Kyle Gibson, 19, of Hamilton, and a 15-year-old whose name has not been released. Charges are being considered, Medina said Tuesday.

He told the newspaper that the suspected robbers could face felony homicide charges because the dead man was slain during the course of a crime.
 
china-doll said:
I'm not usually a fan of vigilanty justice, but it this case it sounds like the father did a community service and in his place I probablly would have done the same. Of course, he'll probablly be sued for 100 million dollars by the robbers family for 'Wrongful Death". :mad:

Actually, the father might not have all that much problem. First of all, the suspect escaped from a correctional facility. Such men are normally considered to be outlaws. Outlaws have very few civil right. Secondly, the police are probably quite a bit a fault if a civil suit is filed. Lastly consider the last sentence of the report: "the suspected robbers could face felony homicide charges because the dead man was slain during the course of a crime." The other suspected robbers will also be in line to pay any damages to the family of the dead man.

Interesting story. I will keep track of this one.


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Ok, run someone over because they threatened your life with a gun, I can deal with that.

But kill someone because of something they said?

You looking at me???
 
gauchecritic said:
Ok, run someone over because they threatened your life with a gun, I can deal with that.

But kill someone because of something they said?

You looking at me???

I think he only killed the guy after he was shot at. Wether or not he chased after the guy with the intention of running him down or just to get a licence number as he said remains to be seen.
 
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gauchecritic said:
Ok, run someone over because they threatened your life with a gun, I can deal with that.

But kill someone because of something they said?

You looking at me???

I imagine the instance of when and where such a verbal thing was spoken would have lots to do with that. For instance, he had just been robbed at gun point and then they say they might rape his daughters too?

Also, I know from experience that if you are being assaulted, the use of force you can use back against said assault varies. If the one assaulting you threatens your life...saying that they'll kill you or the like...then deadly force is justified as you have no way of knowing if that person is serious or not.

The father did what he felt right. In the same circumstances...well I'd have probably gone after them with the rape threat came. But not with an SUV.;)
 
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