ICE deporting Afghanistan vet Miguel Perez

[KingOrfeo]

No, really.

Perez is one of many veterans, some of whom sustained injuries and emotional trauma during combat, who have been decorated for service, then confronted with the possibility of deportation after committing a crime. As with many others, Perez mistakenly thought he became a U.S. citizen when he took an oath to protect the nation. He discovered that was not the case when he was summoned to immigration court shortly before his release from a state penitentiary, where he had served seven years for handing over a bag of cocaine to an undercover police officer.

Instead of heading home to Chicago from prison, Perez was placed in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement and transferred to a Wisconsin detention center for immigrants awaiting deportation.

On Monday, an immigration judge in Chicago could decide his fate at a deportation hearing, during which Perez's attorney will argue that his client, who has served time and his country, should stay.

Roughly 18,700 legal permanent residents are in the U.S. armed forces, and about 5,000 join every year, according to the Department of Defense. More than 109,000 service men and women had become citizens by the end of 2015, according to statistics from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

It's unclear how many veterans have been deported. The American Civil Liberties Union estimates hundreds, but Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say they don't keep track of that data. An agency spokeswoman said officials do consider military service a "positive factor" during deportation proceedings.

When legal residents or people who are here illegally commit crimes, ICE's standard procedure is to let them serve most of their sentence for the crime in the U.S., then deport them.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Don't care if he's a vet or not because he's a criminal. When they want to deport a vet who isn't a criminal then I'll care.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, really.

" Perez mistakenly thought he became a U.S. citizen when he took an oath to protect the nation. He discovered that was not the case when he was summoned to immigration court shortly before his release from a state penitentiary, where he had served seven years for handing over a bag of cocaine to an undercover police officer."


Good.

 

[Rightguide]

Justly so.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Don't care if he's a vet or not because he's a criminal. When they want to deport a vet who isn't a criminal then I'll care.

Why is it so important to deport criminals? He's done his time. If he were a citizen, public policy would be to be satisfied with that and give him a chance to return to free American society and live honestly.

 

[Parminderjeet]

Why is it so important to deport criminals? He's done his time. If he were a citizen, public policy would be to be satisfied with that and give him a chance to return to free American society and live honestly.

He ain't white.

 

[SyKoKo]

" Perez mistakenly thought he became a U.S. citizen when he took an oath to protect the nation. He discovered that was not the case when he was summoned to immigration court shortly before his release from a state penitentiary, where he had served seven years for handing over a bag of cocaine to an undercover police officer."


Good.

shpulda been EXECUTED

 

[SyKoKo]

Why is it so important to deport criminals? He's done his time. If he were a citizen, public policy would be to be satisfied with that and give him a chance to return to free American society and live honestly.

only a LIB asks that

thats why YOUR SIDE IS A LOSER

 

[SyKoKo]

so the Oh Pee says ICE deporting Afghanistan vet Miguel Perez, and its not true

they are deporting a CRIMINAL that endangered many by trying to sell drugs, thereby saving AMERICAN LIVES

TYPICAL LIB

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why is it so important to deport criminals?

Because they don't belong here.

He's done his time. If he were a citizen, public policy would be to be satisfied with that
and give him a chance to return to free American society and live honestly.

But they aren't citizens.....so we send them packing.

The question is why are you and the other pro government/law and order types so desperate to keep as many criminal aliens in the country???

 

[KingOrfeo]

Because they don't belong here.

Of course they do. Criminals have always belonged here.

The question is why are you and the other pro government/law and order types so desperate to keep as many criminal aliens in the country???

Because a convict, citizen or alien, who has done his time has paid his debt to society. Why do anything more to him after that? Let him return to society, just as a citizen would be allowed to return to society.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course they do. Criminals have always belonged here.

What do you base that off of?

Because a convict, citizen or alien, who has done his time has paid his debt to society.

That's not in any way shape or form an answer to my question.

Why are you and the other pro government/law and order types so desperate to keep as many criminal aliens in the country???

Why do anything more to him after that?

Because he's not a legal resident.....so he has to GTFO.

Let him return to society, just as a citizen would be allowed to return to society.

But he's not a citizen....what the fuck don't you understand about that KO?

 

[KingOrfeo]

But he's not a citizen....what the fuck don't you understand about that KO?

Why it should matter.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why it should matter.

You don't understand why we have citizenship and what the difference between citizens and illegal aliens is??

 

[KingOrfeo]

You don't understand why we have citizenship and what the difference between citizens and illegal aliens is??

Of course I understand it. But you're citing the law and I'm raising a question of policy, which cannot be resolved by reference to the law.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Why is it so important to deport criminals? He's done his time. If he were a citizen, public policy would be to be satisfied with that and give him a chance to return to free American society and live honestly.

But he's not a citizen. Not much else to it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course I understand it. But you're citing the law and I'm raising a question of policy, which cannot be resolved by reference to the law.

Of course it can.....

Illegal aliens, including ones who commit crimes get the boot because that's what you do with people who aren't supposed to be in your country and especially the ones who commit crimes in your country while there illegally.

IF you don't do that, then you have no citizens, borders or nation.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Thing is, this guy should be a citizen by now but he didn't file apparently. You can file after a years service and up to either 6 months or a year after discharge. Don't remember which. They speed it along for vets. It's his own fault really. That plus the drug thing. Probably shouldn't have done that.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But he's not a citizen. Not much else to it.

See post #15.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Of course it can.....

Illegal aliens, including ones who commit crimes get the boot because that's what you do with people who aren't supposed to be in your country and especially the ones who commit crimes in your country while there illegally.

IF you don't do that, then you have no citizens, borders or nation.

Of course you have. Allowing Perez and others similarly situated to stay in this country would still leave us with citizens, borders and a nation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course you have. Allowing Perez and others similarly situated to stay in this country would still leave us with citizens, borders and a nation.

Just ignoring immigration laws DIRECTLY undermines borders.

No borders, no immigration? No citizenry.....no nation.

It's just a patch of land with 100 and something million taxpayers the whole world can come rat fuck.

See how long that holds up.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Of course I understand it. But you're citing the law and I'm raising a question of policy, which cannot be resolved by reference to the law.

But the law is policy or should be. This is a land of law, not a land of policy.

Laws are made so citizens know what's illegal and not illegal.

You're expecting the land to be ruled by what's you think is right.

The land isn't ruled by right or wrong, it's ruled by law, what's legal or illegal.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But the law is policy or should be. This is a land of law, not a land of policy.

False dichotomy. Law enforcement is always discretionary, and discretion is a matter of policy.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

False dichotomy. Law enforcement is always discretionary, and discretion is a matter of policy.

Semantics. The law drives policy, always has. Sure there are laws on the books that are no longer enforced, but in a pinch they could be. And just because one party ignores the law, doesn't make it policy, it just makes it wrong.

 

[SyKoKo]

what is it with LIBZ that LOVE the ILLEGALS and MUSLIM TERRORISTS?