I would like to see....

[Guest]

one about Lolita's. Those turn me on.

 

[Guest]

Lolitas are the best! never will do it, but love reading and thinking .....!

 

[sirhugs]

just following Blessed Be's lead of resurrecting archival ideas. This one likely died cause of the underage issue. But how about a roleplay story of a husband wife playing Lolita? would that be legal?

 

[Chicklet]

what is a lolita?

 

[sirhugs]

what is a lolita?

a character in a Nabokov (sp?) novel, made twice into films- recently infamously with Jeremy Irons. In the story, the man is a respected teacher/professor who rents a room from Lolita's mother and is seduced by the girl. The 1960's version is all inuendo. The 1990's version was banned in some places. the girl character is about 14 going on 24.

has entered the language as an sexually precocious teen girl preying on older men.

 

[NASCARaddicted]

I noticed, many porn movies deal about "lolitas". But in that case, they are all 18 years old ....

 

[penguindance]

 

[Guest]

I know in the past we've talked about a couple "role playing" under aged characters. (It's called "age play".) I think several agreed that it would be a "no no" to go down this road? Does anyone else remember?

 

[MightyZor]

if by lolitas you imply someone under 18, then it's illegal and you're pedophile.

 

[NASCARaddicted]

originally posted by MightyZor
if by lolitas you imply someone under 18, then it's illegal and you're pedophile.

I know, we had many discussions like that ....

But I think you shouldn't judge so fast. Just because someone is interested in girls (or guys) under 18 doesn't make him a pedophile.

The definition of "pedophile" (according to babylon.com) is "person with an abnormal sexual attraction to young children".

You see ? "young children". Pre-teens, before they reach puberty.

A person aged 17 is not a young child. I know that it's against Lit rules to post anything erotic about 17 year old people. But still, if someone is attracted by a 17 year old, he (or she) is nowhere near being a pedophile.

Or what about this: You meet a young girl, and she looks like 21. You date her for a few weeks, and you have some erotic fantasies about her. Then she confesses, that in 5 days she will turn 18. So are you a pedophile ? No, of course not.


However I know, we are talking about Lolitas. But the definition of Lolita is not clear (at least not in this case). For some people, a "lolita" is a young adolescent. But I also saw some porn movies with the topic Lolita, and they were all above 18. And I remember this one Lolita movie with Jeremy Irons - the actress of Lolita was 13 or 14. In this Lolita novel (or at least in this one movie) the girl was already in puberty, she knew how to seduce an adult guy.

By the way, the definiton of Lolita at babylon.com is: "sexy young girl, seductive young girl".

So, just to make it short: pedophilia is about pre-teen kids. Lolita (at least the novel) is about young teenager girls.

 

[Guest]

However I know, we are talking about Lolitas. But the definition of Lolita is not clear (at least not in this case). For some people, a "lolita" is a young adolescent. But I also saw some porn movies with the topic Lolita, and they were all above 18.

In the porn industry "Lolita" is misused. Kind of like the word "teen" is misused. They find LEGAL teens (18 or 19 year olds) who LOOK like young teens or kids even and pass them off as "Lolitas". In my personal opinion, it's kind of sick.

You might think that MightyZor has "jumped the gun" here, but I don't, really. If a man or woman is over 30 I still think it's wrong for them to lust for a 16 or 17 year old child. Yes, I call them "child". Do you remember yourself at that age? Looking back NOW, would you call yourself THEN "a young adult" or simply "an adult"? Most likely not. Most teen kids (hell, most people under 21 even) are not that mature. Keep in mind, I'm NOT saying "all" are, etc. But most children and "young adults" under 21 are not mature.

And, even if a model is 16, 17, 18, or even 19, to call them a "Lolita" is to present a certain image. And that image is a pubescent CHILD who is a mix of innocence and lust. Who cares if they are legal or almost legal...they're trying to present the preconceived notion of a young girl at the brink of puberty as in the Lolita movies and book.

 

[NASCARaddicted]

well, my only problem with his posting was that he used the word "pedophile" for everyone below 18 .....

If a man or woman is over 30 I still think it's wrong for them to lust for a 16 or 17 year old child.

Yeah, thats true. But who mentioned a 30 year old ? (or do you mean because of the characters in the novel ?)
What if a guy is 19 and his girlfriend is 17 .... is he pedophile ? Of course not ....

 

[Svenskaflicka]

BlessedBe, I think you're a little close-minded here.

I agree with you that it's sick for a grown-up to lust for a child, but I don't agree with you on a 16-17 year old being a child.

In my country, the legal age for having sex is 15. I remember that I was very eager to have sex when I was that age, but I had to wait until I was 16 before I found a guy I wanted to have sex with. I was immature in some ways, but I don't consider my 16-year old self a child.

I see nothing wrong with a 30-year old lusting for a 16-year-old. Youth, and youthful beauty, is attractive. It's what you do with that lust that matters. A grown-up forcing himself on a teenager is wrong. A grown-up waiting for that teenager to grow up is fine. And, in my opinion, though I know not many will agree with me: a 16-year-old, who knows that he/she is ready for sex, and who wants to have sex, seducing a 30-year-old - is fine.

As long as you don't harm anyone, do whatever you want.

 

[Guest]

But who mentioned a 30 year old ?

I said 30 as a random age.

What if a guy is 19 and his girlfriend is 17 .... is he pedophile ? Of course not ....

Different people have different opinions. Some may call him a pedophile, some may not. Did you know a parent can sue for statutory rape if any person 18 or older has sex with their child who is under 18? It won't matter if he's "only" 19 and she's "almost 18". And, it doesn't even have to be "only intercourse". Hell, I could have gotten a lot of guys in trouble when I was in high school. All of my boyfriends were older, some a good few years.

 

[Chicklet]

Did you know a parent can sue for statutory rape if any person 18 or older has sex with their child who is under 18? It won't matter if he's "only" 19 and she's "almost 18". And, it doesn't even have to be "only intercourse". Hell, I could have gotten a lot of guys in trouble when I was in high school. All of my boyfriends were older, some a good few years.

in Oregon the law is "within 3 years and consensual." - The parent can only sue if the older child (or young adult, or adult) is over 3 yrs older than their child.

That's just Oregon. It's different in NY, for instance, but I don't remember the exact rule there.

IMO lusting after a teen or young adult *is* wrong, but there are cases when it's not perverted. If you're lusting after the young adult *because* they are a young adult, that is wrong. As there are many immature 21 yr olds, there are many mature 17 yr olds.

BUT it should all be kept off lit, just to avoid complications. We don't want Laurel in trouble for ANY stupid reasons, do we? No matter how hot a fantasy is, is it worth getting Lit shut down?

Chicklet

 

[Guest]

No matter how hot a fantasy is, is it worth getting Lit shut down?

Hopefully we have enough responsible adults here...


After all, they could pay for White Shadows if they're that desperate to read about "kids".

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Ofcourse no-one will break the rules and get Laurel in trouble. No matter what our feelings are towards 30-somethings falling for 17/18 year olds, no-one will be stupid enough to post such a story here.

 

[Chicklet]

Ofcourse no-one will break the rules and get Laurel in trouble.

unfortunatly, some people don't even know the rules and keep trying to get these stories posted.

 

[Guest]

unfortunatly, some people don't even know the rules and keep trying to get these stories posted.

Either that or they don't give a shit. Do you really think there are that many people ignorant to Lit's rules?

 

[Chicklet]

Either that or they don't give a shit. Do you really think there are that many people ignorant to Lit's rules?

yeah, i think i do...a lot of people submit stories, and not even half that participate on the boards...they come on, they read erotica, they wonder why there aren't any stories about underage kids and write their own.

ugh.

chicklet

 

[Guest]

Similar to "tons" of Unregs posting "incest How Tos" to "piss off" the crowd over there, I think several have/do post "story ideas" about underaged kids to try to piss people off. (Or to "stir the pot" as it were.)

 

[Svenskaflicka]

It can be confusing, sometimes, though. I read a story in Gay Male yesterday, and I'm still not sure if the guy in the story was 17 or 18.

Whereas Laurel put my story, The Sorceror's Boner, on hold to verify that there were no minors involved in sexual acts in the story. (Which it wasn't, but I'm glad she double-checked. Better safe than sorry.)

 

[Guest]

If you're concerned that there may have been a 17 year old character in a story, notify Laurel. It's that simple.

 

[gauchecritic]

This thread seems to me to be as confusing as the many and varied laws surrounding it. As I understand it the age range of legal sex in the US alone varies between 13 (The J.G. Lewis thing) and 18. Paedophilia in one state legal in another. Incest is another confusing issue, aunts and uncles and cousins in one state and parents or siblings in another.

In any 'mature' stories I write I never give the age of the younger person, I leave that to the imagination of the reader.

As has been stated before age role play is fine.

Having Wives/girlfriends dress as school children is (I assume) fine.

The problem would lie in describing sex with a pre- or pubescent youngster however old you state they are. It's the description that counts and should not feed on paedophile lechery.

All the site does is draw a line (far too high in my opinion being English) but it is a line that has to be drawn somewhere.

One more thing which I find utterly confusing. What happens (in the US for example) when a 15/16 year old boy has sex with an 'underage' girl a year or two older?

Gauche (wishing he was 17 again)

 

[NASCARaddicted]

Paedophilia in one state legal

I never heard something like that, and I can't believe it. Legal Paedophilia in one state ?

However, I just want to add this: I just saw "Sex in the City" and in this one episode, this one woman organized a Bar Mizwa for a 13 year old girl. And this girl talked about sex as she would do nothing else. She even said, that she does blowjobs since she was 12 .... pretty strange ...