I was recommended to come here

[sinuous]

yet warned to watch, that some people actually come here to take your poems and change a word here and there and call it their own. My friend used to write here and saw this happen to many of her poems and she ended up deleting them and got fed up and left but she did say this was a decent place to come to and learn.

Is it true one has to watch or be careful their writings are not twisted and plagurized? How do you guard against this and prevent it from happening?

cheerios

 

[bogusagain]

Is it true one has to watch or be careful their writings are not twisted and plagurized? How do you guard against this and prevent it from happening?

cheerios

I take the idea of my poems being plagiarised as a compliment because someone thinks they are good but the only time I have ever experienced a possibility of it, as it was open to debate, their judgment was found wanting. Anyway, someone might plagiarise a poem but they can't keep replicating someones style and content without their work becoming a husk. Plagiarists are just cheating themselves, not the person whose work they steal. Plagiarising just baffles me because it seems such an utterly pointless exercise no matter at what level of writing.

 

[champagne1982]

Plagiarizing poetry is like faking an orgasm when you masturbate... You are only lying to yourself.

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Great analogy, Champagne! I have never seen anyone's poems plagiarized from here but do know of one very good poet whose poems ended up in someone else's book. I believe that was resolved. It's really petty and stupid to steal someone else's poetry but also pointless! You cannot make money from it. It's like trying to claim inventions that weren't really yours while never being able to cash a check, you know?

Perhaps because there is almost no money to be made in poetry, I think this is just not something that happens much, but as a precaution, some writers do remove their posts a few days after posting them. I've done that myself when I think something is good enough to send out for publication.

 

[sinuous]

thanks for the replies

Bogusagain, PandoraGlitters and champagne. That is just it, I do publish and definitely do not want to find myself in copy-write issues and plagurism.

hmmm what's the sense of having sex if you have to fake it. yeesh! well put though.

 

[bronzeage]

Bogusagain, PandoraGlitters and champagne. That is just it, I do publish and definitely do not want to find myself in copy-write issues and plagurism.

hmmm what's the sense of having sex if you have to fake it. yeesh! well put though.

Seriously?

There are two basic reasons a person would steal a posted poem and repost it under their own name:

1. The poem is so incredibly good, people will pay for it, after they have read it.

2. They need content for their website to fill in the space between the ads.

Copyright violations are about money. Plagiarism is about stolen glory. When there is no money or glory at stake, a posted poem is safe.

Most internet poetry plagiarism charges arise when someone has posted work under different names. Years later, they consolidate their collection under one name. Someone makes a quick google check and comes back to accuse them of "stealing" the poems. The old site can no longer be accessed to edit or delete the work. The email account and passwords are long gone. But again, there really is nothing at stake.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Someone once sent me an email that apparently was doing the rounds, it was one of my hiumorous poems! When I informed the sender all I got told was 'Oh just be glad people are reading it'! So somewhere out there is one of my poems still doing the rounds (as most jokes do) and I just hope nobody else got paid for it!

 

[Maria2394]

Great analogy, Champagne! I have never seen anyone's poems plagiarized from here but do know of one very good poet whose poems ended up in someone else's book. I believe that was resolved. It's really petty and stupid to steal someone else's poetry but also pointless! You cannot make money from it. It's like trying to claim inventions that weren't really yours while never being able to cash a check, you know?

Perhaps because there is almost no money to be made in poetry, I think this is just not something that happens much, but as a precaution, some writers do remove their posts a few days after posting them. I've done that myself when I think something is good enough to send out for publication.

A while back there was a situation where a woman on an adult site was taking poems from here and from Clean Sheets, posting them on her page and calling them her own. She stole from me, flyguy, Wicked Eve, several others. I started a thread about it and with much aggravatiuon, email writing to the adult site and having to prove that the poems were ours, she was made to remove them all. Ever so often, I google mistymommie to see who she is stealing from now, if she is still doing it..

I am not as forgiving as BB, I see his point, but that is called intellectual property. supppose someone had a proposal for an invention and someone stole it and took a patent and it wasn't theirs? When money is involved, it suddenly seems to matter. well, when someone steals my work, it matters to me because being a stay at home mom for many years, that was all I had to call my "own". Maybe that sounds pathetic to many of you, but the poem she stole from me is mine, was mine and will always be mine.

To me, it is like cheating on a test, it is robbing yourself, and I tried to cheat on a chemistry test once and almost threw up, excused myself and went to the restroom and washed the formulas off my wrist, I made a 105 without cheating. It sucks when you get ripped off and all you can do is keep records of when you posted your work, if you can, I made copies of my submissions page with the dates on it.

It took a lot of us to take down mistymommie, but she stopped stealing for a while, unless she is just not found out yet. Anyway, I say, stand up and defend your poems, stories prose, whatever you create, I bet Monet would have been pissed if the parlour had stolen his work and shown it as someone elses...


sweet dreams you all

 

[Maria2394]

Seriously?

There are two basic reasons a person would steal a posted poem and repost it under their own name:

1. The poem is so incredibly good, people will pay for it, after they have read it.

2. They need content for their website to fill in the space between the ads.

Copyright violations are about money. Plagiarism is about stolen glory. When there is no money or glory at stake, a posted poem is safe.

Most internet poetry plagiarism charges arise when someone has posted work under different names. Years later, they consolidate their collection under one name. Someone makes a quick google check and comes back to accuse them of "stealing" the poems. The old site can no longer be accessed to edit or delete the work. The email account and passwords are long gone. But again, there really is nothing at stake.

I agree with you Bronzeage, aboutthe glory thing. That person took poems, of so many different styles, it seemed to me that the people who praised her and urged her to publish almost seemed ignorant, If they had any idea of how hard it is to write a good poem, much less a couple dozen, they would have realized that she could never have done it.

I think Lauren Hynde was the one that she stole an entire series of work from. It sucked, and it was for glory. And Lauren's wprk was something that COULD havem ade money, should have made money, it really pissed me off so badly! I never felt flattered for a second, I felt robbed, and she only took one from me.

That girl was so miserable she had to steal poetry to get attention. Maybe there was no money but she did gain from her theft. For a while she gained attention and albeit false, self esteem, the glory that the sweat and tears of other poets, real poets put theirs hearts into, she took that and it is wrong as robbing a bank.

That's how I see it and so did the others who were ripped off.

Oh and by the way, thank you for what you said in the o ther thread. My problem was cutting off my siblings, I have this "thing" where I feel, well, felt responsible for them since I am the oldest but what you and Dora said to me, well, THANK YOU and BLESS YOU!!!! I don't deserve the way they treated me after giving them so much and they just keep taking and lying and stealing from me, the one who tried to help. I was just a dumbassed sucker the only one in the family with a soul. I could never do to them what they have done to me, and yes, they made me want to die, right then and there. But like i said, my girls.... :

I cut them all ( siblings) out of my life and havent had a dark day since. And I would never do the deed, just sometimes, I feel like the world is against me, the world being my family, and I know those 3 are against me. Just knowing when the phone rings that it isnt one of them makes my day so much better!

hugs all around...and Champ, thanks for the note.

~ maria

 

[twelveoone]

yet warned to watch, that some people actually come here to take your poems and change a word here and there and call it their own. My friend used to write here and saw this happen to many of her poems and she ended up deleting them and got fed up and left but she did say this was a decent place to come to and learn.

Is it true one has to watch or be careful their writings are not twisted and plagurized? How do you guard against this and prevent it from happening?

cheerios

If it is posted, it has a date stamp. Someone could always check and see the "new poems" post date will be later.

 

[twelveoone]

Plagiarizing poetry is like faking an orgasm when you masturbate... You are only lying to yourself.

oh fuck
but i tell such good lies

 

[bogusagain]

oh fuck
but i tell such good lies

Hello stranger!

Where have you been lying around?

 

[twelveoone]

Hello stranger!

Where have you been lying around?

good pun.