I want to be convinced......

[T.J. Jackson]

Why shouldn't Saddam be removed from power? I don't want to go to war like most sane humans, but sometimes war is necessary. Right now I feel it is necessary but tell me why I'm wrong.


Don't give me the Bush is an idiot arguments. Don't say the U.S. is evil. Don't tell me we have better ways to spend the money. Give me reasons why Saddam should be allowed to continue to reign over his people. Give me reasons why he should be able to build WMD if he wanted to do so. (We, the U.S. have WMD also, I realize that....but to me it's a matter of command and control. We don't have one mad man willing to use them at the drop of a hat. We do have checks and balances.)


Convince me.

 

[Expertise]

Geeze dude! He was elected by a 100% margin!

 

[RobDownSouth]

This one commentary, more than any other thing I have seen or read to date, convinced me of the inherent error of current United States foreign policy vis-a-vis Iraq

Give Deterrence A Chance

 

[Expertise]

This one commentary, more than any other thing I have seen or read to date, convinced me of the inherent error of current United States foreign policy vis-a-vis Iraq

Give Deterrence A Chance

Yeah big fella' 12 years is pretty rushed. The no war at any cost crowd never cease to amaze me

 

[peachykeen]

Care to qualify that last sentence, Expertise?

 

[T.J. Jackson]

Yeah big fella' 12 years is pretty rushed. The no war at any cost crowd never cease to amaze me

Exactly. I bellieve it was Robert E Lee who said "It is a good thing war is so terrible because otherwise we might grow to like it too much." (or something like that). My point here is war is terrible. No one WANTS to go to war, but sometimes it is necessary. Saddam's been fucking the world since he took power (just because we supported him then doesn't make us right to have done so, he fucked us too then.) It's time he goes.



Still waiting to be convinced here.

 

[theGatsby]

Look Here

It seems to me that if you're going to ask our men and women in uniform to fight and die, and your going to invade someone's homeland, killing many people and destroying their homes and property then it should be up to the war supporters to justify such, no the other way around.

 

[Expertise]

Care to qualify that last sentence, Expertise?

Go to the hyper link and read away. It makes it self explanatory

 

[sexyguy2]

The US and the UN can keep him bottled up forever. He will continue to brutalize his people, but a lot of these thugs in power are doing that now in other countries. We should help the Iraqi opposition bring Hussein down, like Tree Bush SHOULD have done after Desert Storm.

There is NO evidence that Hussein and al Qaeda are linked. In fact, they will have nothing to do with Saddam. They think he is an Infidel.

North Korea is the most dangerous threat we face now. They have missiles that can reach our shores, and they can wreak havoc in the South should they choose to do so.

 

[peachykeen]

Go to the hyper link and read away. It makes it self explanatory

I did read it. That is why I don't understand your statement. Seemed like a pretty well written, well thought out article to me.

 

[T.J. Jackson]

[........it should be up to the war supporters to justify such, no the other way around.

Bah, not true. I support this war for one reason only....that idiot will be gone from power. One way or another he is going to fall from power, while I would prefer it to be peaceful, that just ain't gonna happen. He wants to cling to every last vestage of his power for as long as he can. Give me a valid reason why we shouldn't get rid of him?

 

[Mischka]

Give me a valid reason why we shouldn't get rid of him?

Who is going to replace him?

 

[peachykeen]

Give me a valid reason why we shouldn't get rid of him?

Who died and made us God?

 

[Hamletmaschine]

In the absence of compelling arguments to alter it, the status quo wins. It isn't the burden of the status quo to prove anything. It is the burden of Bush and his pals to prove that Hussein should be removed. They have not made a compelling case, so far as I'm concerned.

 

[T.J. Jackson]

Who is going to replace him?

That's not up to us...it's up to the Iraqi people. I like the idea that the other countries in the region would take over and rule until the Iraqi people can choose their own form of government. (I think DCL posted a thread about this)

 

[DarkAngel]

That's not up to us...it's up to the Iraqi people. I like the idea that the other countries in the region would take over and rule until the Iraqi people can choose their own form of government. (I think DCL posted a thread about this)

I got an idea. How about you convince yourself

 

[peachykeen]

That's not up to us...it's up to the Iraqi people. I like the idea that the other countries in the region would take over and rule until the Iraqi people can choose their own form of government. (I think DCL posted a thread about this)

So, it's up to us to decide he has to be removed, but not up to us to decide what comes after he's gone? It's either our business or it isn't, isn't it?

 

[T.J. Jackson]

Who died and made us God?

No one, but tell me...with that line of reasoning.....we should have let Hitler stay in power?

If we hadn't gone and taken back Kuwait Iraq would have continued to expand, simliar to what Hitler did when he realized after taking over Czechoslavakia that no one was going to stand up to him. You know the rest of the story don't you?

 

[peachykeen]

Is he in Kuwait now?

 

[Expertise]

Go to the hyper link and read away. It makes it self explanatory

Actually I will explain a little further. The information provided there is historicaly and tacticaly innaccurate.

The US was perfectly clear as to how they would retaliate. Zapping the dams on the Euphrates and the Tigris and turning central Iraq into a water park sans the flume ride. The Israelis would have lofted a JerichoII and turned Baghdad into a parking lot.

The tactical employment of WMD under combat conditions is difficult and problematic. Even more so against well trained forces. It is 3rd grade simple against a less competent opponent or a civilian target. If the Iraqi leadership had been able to excercise proper C3 (Command Control Communication) they/Saddam (interchangeable) would have used them for the following reason. Really (the reason) is the ethos of "Regime Survival" at all costs. THAT makes the decisions. Everyone and everything is expendable except Saddam. If he can knock off a few thousand civvies and give the US a black eye while doing that (the black eye actually enhancing his regimes longevity, at least in his view) so much the better.

Now to turn that around I repeat Mr Jackson's request. What would convince you

 

[peachykeen]

Now to turn that around I repeat Mr Jackson's request. What would convince you

I don't belive that was his request.

 

[T.J. Jackson]

Is he in Kuwait now?

No, because we had the backbone then to back him down. We need to finish what we started back then (something that should have been done then)

 

[peachykeen]

No, because we had the backbone then to back him down. We need to finish what we started back then (something that should have been done then)

because the direct threat that he poses to us now is...

 

[theGatsby]

But why now? What has he done in the last 12 years that makes it so imperative we go to war?

 

[DarkAngel]

But why now? What has he done in the last 12 years that makes it so imperative we go to war?

He is taking all the the lolipops from the kids. I know I saw it, I was there