I told you the DEI "pilot" did it, you denied it

[1984X2024]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1961828981415526743

 

[1984X2024]

The DEI cunt REFUSED

REFUSED

POS

 

[ll74]

Did DEI cause the crash or did a human being cause it?

 

[glamorilla]

at least that dumb ass truck driver ran into illegals.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

at least that dumb ass truck driver ran into illegals.

lol wut?

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

I can’t pig pile on this one, here is the truth.

This is a CREW failure. The IP (instructor pilot) is ultimately in command of that aircraft. There is a two strike rule in aviation. If you challenge a crew member twice and they don’t respond you TAKE the controls. NO third strikes.

I haven’t seen anything other than the initial report. I’d like to see where the NYT is getting their info? I have my theories on this accident and while the Army Helo crew is going to bear the brunt of blame, there were mistakes made by all involved.

Sadly, this accident will be a case study in aviation safety courses for the next 50yrs…much like the Eastern L-1011 that had controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) in ‘72 in the Everglades. That case is studied today for much the same reasons, command and control, not delegating authority, and complacency.

 

[YDB95]

Funny how no one ever blames politics when a white male pilot crashes, isn't it?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Helicopters are the motorcycles of the sky.

 

[AllAmericanMale]

...there were mistakes made by all involved.

What mistake did the flight deck crew of the RJ make?

 

[ChloeTzang]

The New York Times waited until the very end of its lengthy story about the January collision between a U.S. Army helicopter and a passenger jet in Washington, D.C., to reveal that the female copter pilot failed to follow her flight instructor's direction, leading to the tragedy. "Captain Lobach was the highest-ranking soldier on the helicopter, but Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves, who was acting as her instructor, had flown more than twice as many hours over time," the outlet added.

Warrant Officer Eaves told the tower that the Black Hawk saw the traffic: “PAT two-five has the aircraft in sight. Request visual separation,” meaning they would avoid the airline jet. “Vis sep approved,” the controller responded. At this point, the Blackhawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with Flight 5342. Eaves told Lobach to turn left, toward the east bank of the Potomac. She did not follow his instructions, and the two aircraft collided, killing 64 passengers and crew on Flight 5342, as well as Lobach, Eaves, and a crewmember on their helicopter. At the time, the Blackhawk was flying well over the mandated maximum altitude;

Cockpit voice recordings revealed that sometime after assuming control, Lobach announced an altitude of 300 feet. Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Lloyd Eaves, her instructor, responded within a space of 39 seconds that they actually had an altitude of 400 feet — not only double the maximum height permissible near Runway 33 but 100 feet over the altitude mandated by the Federal Aviation Administration for that part of the route. The Times indicated that as the helicopter approached the Key Bridge, from which the Army aircraft would head south along the river, Eaves indicated the helicopter was at 300 feet and descending to 200 feet. Eaves apparently saw the need to repeat his instruction, telling Lobach that the chopper was at 300 feet and needed to descend. While Lobach reportedly said she would comply, over two and half minutes later, she still had the helicopter at an altitude of over 200 feet — "a dangerously high level" according to the Times.

Nearly 20 seconds before impact — as doomed Flight 5342 made its turn toward Runway 33, flying at roughly 500 feet and now within a mile of the helicopter — the tower asked the Army crew, "PAT two-five, do you have the CRJ in sight?" There was no response from the Black Hawk. The controller then told the helicopter crew to "pass behind" the airplane, but Lobach kept flying directly at the inbound jet. Two seconds after the controller's "pass behind" directive, Eaves said, "PAT two-five has the aircraft in sight. Request visual separation." Inside the helicopter, Eaves told Lobach 15 seconds before the collision that air traffic control wanted her to turn left, toward the river — which would open more space between the Black Hawk and the jet, now at an altitude of approximately 300 feet. Lobach reportedly did not heed the instruction, thereby guaranteeing the deaths of 66 people and herself. At the time of the collision, one air traffic controller can reportedly be heard in a recording taken at the time saying, "Crash, crash, crash, this is an alert three."

Looks very much like an inexperienced pilot who was out of her expereience envelope, along with an instructor who failed to take over the controls. In an environment with that amount of air traffic that was a recipe for disaster alright. My totally biased guess is a DEI pilot with insufficient training (I believe she'd just comeoff a few months in the White House) with a instructor who was reluctant to take over control, likely for fear of repercussions.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Funny how no one ever blames politics when a white male pilot crashes, isn't it?

Mostly because they don't gt done any favors and they get their licenses and positions on ability so when they do crash, it's genuine fuckup and often their fault.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What mistake did the flight deck crew of the RJ make?

Trusting that air force pilots could fly by the rules

 

[ll74]

The New York Times waited until the very end of its lengthy story about the January collision between a U.S. Army helicopter and a passenger jet in Washington, D.C., to reveal that the female copter pilot failed to follow her flight instructor's direction, leading to the tragedy. "Captain Lobach was the highest-ranking soldier on the helicopter, but Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves, who was acting as her instructor, had flown more than twice as many hours over time," the outlet added.

Warrant Officer Eaves told the tower that the Black Hawk saw the traffic: “PAT two-five has the aircraft in sight. Request visual separation,” meaning they would avoid the airline jet. “Vis sep approved,” the controller responded. At this point, the Blackhawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with Flight 5342. Eaves told Lobach to turn left, toward the east bank of the Potomac. She did not follow his instructions, and the two aircraft collided, killing 64 passengers and crew on Flight 5342, as well as Lobach, Eaves, and a crewmember on their helicopter. At the time, the Blackhawk was flying well over the mandated maximum altitude;

Cockpit voice recordings revealed that sometime after assuming control, Lobach announced an altitude of 300 feet. Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Lloyd Eaves, her instructor, responded within a space of 39 seconds that they actually had an altitude of 400 feet — not only double the maximum height permissible near Runway 33 but 100 feet over the altitude mandated by the Federal Aviation Administration for that part of the route. The Times indicated that as the helicopter approached the Key Bridge, from which the Army aircraft would head south along the river, Eaves indicated the helicopter was at 300 feet and descending to 200 feet. Eaves apparently saw the need to repeat his instruction, telling Lobach that the chopper was at 300 feet and needed to descend. While Lobach reportedly said she would comply, over two and half minutes later, she still had the helicopter at an altitude of over 200 feet — "a dangerously high level" according to the Times.

Nearly 20 seconds before impact — as doomed Flight 5342 made its turn toward Runway 33, flying at roughly 500 feet and now within a mile of the helicopter — the tower asked the Army crew, "PAT two-five, do you have the CRJ in sight?" There was no response from the Black Hawk. The controller then told the helicopter crew to "pass behind" the airplane, but Lobach kept flying directly at the inbound jet. Two seconds after the controller's "pass behind" directive, Eaves said, "PAT two-five has the aircraft in sight. Request visual separation." Inside the helicopter, Eaves told Lobach 15 seconds before the collision that air traffic control wanted her to turn left, toward the river — which would open more space between the Black Hawk and the jet, now at an altitude of approximately 300 feet. Lobach reportedly did not heed the instruction, thereby guaranteeing the deaths of 66 people and herself. At the time of the collision, one air traffic controller can reportedly be heard in a recording taken at the time saying, "Crash, crash, crash, this is an alert three."

Looks very much like an inexperienced pilot who was out of her expereience envelope, along with an instructor who failed to take over the controls. In an environment with that amount of air traffic that was a recipe for disaster alright. My totally biased guess is a DEI pilot with insufficient training (I believe she'd just comeoff a few months in the White House) with a instructor who was reluctant to take over control, likely for fear of repercussions.

It was the instructor's job to take the stick if the student was not properly operating the helicopter.

If a 16 yr old is told to stop and they continue, the instructor has a brake pedal for that reason.

She may have made wrong decisions, but that's why the instructor is there.

You dipshits just can't move on from your DEI blame game. People make mistakes. That doesn't make them DEI, regardless of gender or race.

 

[AllAmericanMale]

Trusting that air force pilots could fly by the rules

Hmm, interesting take. So, you're making a mistake every time you leave the house, in your vehicle?

You're trusting that others obey the established traffic laws...

 

[Rebel5soul]

Trusting that air force pilots could fly by the rules

Ummm, she was Army I do believe.

 

[ChloeTzang]

It was the instructor's job to take the stick if the student was not properly operating the helicopter.

She may have made wrong decisions, but that's why the instructor is there.

100% but I do suspect there are othe rfactors playing into why the instructor did not take over - from all accounts he was a very competent pilot and instructor

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ummm, she was Army I do believe.

You're right. My apoloigies to the Air Farce LOL

 

[ll74]

100% but I do suspect there are othe rfactors playing into why the instructor did not take over - from all accounts he was a very competent pilot and instructor

You want to blame dei so you will find a way to do so

 

[Rebel5soul]

100% but I do suspect there are othe rfactors playing into why the instructor did not take over - from all accounts he was a very competent pilot and instructor

If the instructor wasn't on the tower/local ATC freq. he wouldn't be aware of the imminent danger.

 

[AllAmericanMale]

If the instructor wasn't on the tower/local ATC freq. he wouldn't be aware of the imminent danger.

All three crewmembers, onboard the Army aircraft, would've been monitoring the tower frequency.

 

[Lazaran]

So let me get this straight: The WHITE MALE INSTRUCTOR allowed the trainee to ascend to FOUR HUNDRED FEET (two hundred feet above the approved ceiling for helicopters in that area), and THEN the WHITE MALE INSTRUCTOR suggested the trainee descend after being alerted to traffic - and THEN the WHITE MALE INSTRUCTOR suggested the trainee veer left to avoid a collision, and THEN the WHITE MALE INSTRUCTOR did NOT take control of the aircraft, and THEN the WHITE MALE INSTRUCTOR let the trainee fly right into the back of the plane that was landing - and THEN it’s the trainees fault…and THEN the POS MAGAts say “something something, DEI, something something”???

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We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Rebel5soul]

All three crewmembers, onboard the Army aircraft, would've been monitoring the tower frequency.

I'll take your word for it. I know that radio protocols can get weird in TCA's.

 

[AllAmericanMale]

I'll take your word for it. I know that radio protocols can get weird in TCA's.

There's a lot of anger and politicking in this thread and I think the point is being overlooked that 67 people perished. 64 of them civilians.

Yes the helo was at the wrong altitude and could've moved further east, over the river bank. Yes the aircraft commander could've taken control or been more forceful with his instruction. But, unfortunately mistakes were made, and we weren't there.

I've operated in and out of that airspace multiple times and it's very technical. Overwhelming for someone that hasn't done it in the previous 2 years.

I'm trying to bring accuracy to the speculation. But, with all the whining about DEI this and that, keep in mind that all 5 pilots involved in the accident were previously trained on their equipment, the airspace is very challenging and this happened at night at low altitude when city lights and lights from a ferris wheel and bridge may have played a part.

67 people died. That is extremely tragic and putting myself in their shoes gives me chills.

 

[Rebel5soul]

There's a lot of anger and politicking in this thread and I think the point is being overlooked that 67 people perished. 64 of them civilians.

Yes the helo was at the wrong altitude and could've moved further east, over the river bank. Yes the aircraft commander could've taken control or been more forceful with his instruction. But, unfortunately mistakes were made, and we weren't there.

I've operated in and out of that airspace multiple times and it's very technical. Overwhelming for someone that hasn't done it in the previous 2 years.

I'm trying to bring accuracy to the speculation. But, with all the whining about DEI this and that, keep in mind that all 5 pilots involved in the accident were previously trained on their equipment, the airspace is very challenging and this happened at night at low altitude when city lights and lights from a ferris wheel and bridge may have played a part.

67 people died. That is extremely tragic and putting myself in their shoes gives me chills.

OK, there's the point. Further who was flying right seat?

 

[Bn2f]

AAM: Lives were lost. I don’t care to politicize or blame soldiers as DEI.

Rebel: Agreed. But who do you think was flying?

Me: