I think men are horrid ...

[peterpan]

Personally, I think men are horrid and there are far too many of them.

People like the convenience of their own man, naturally, just as they like having their own gas-gussling car. But men are much worse on the environment than cars and we are reaching the stage where our environment just cannot take the pressure.

Men are largely redundant; their biological role could be fullfilled by a ratio of one man per hundred women.

This is not just a dream. No Jihad is required to create a saner society. Women may simply choose to abort the requisite number of boys. This is a womans RIGHT.

To prevent the token males from hurting anyone they should be each be escorted everywhere by two well trained and fit young policewomen ready to leap upon and restrain them at a moments notice. These brave women would also serve as personal trainers to assure that at all times the men respected their obligation of being as pleasing to the eye as possible.

Given the catalog of damage our male dominated society has caused, can you justify the wasteful ratio of one man per woman by mere..CONVENIENCE?

I for one, vote for a saner female dominated society. Who is with me?

 

[nitengale]

not me...

I like the male species.

There are far more females I would blast off the planet than males.

 

[CreamyLady]

I do think it is true that some men could definitely use an adjustment or two, preferably made with a big wrench alongside their heads, but on the whole I like men, warts and all.

I don't understand them, mind you, but I like them.

 

[Fleshmachine]

Your female utopia is flawed. Women just need to be more selective with whom they choose to breed with. The current problem with society is the demasculation of men by women especially white men. White men are blamed for every problem our civilized society has. Yet nearly (and I stress nearly for I wouldn't want to offend anyone) every major technological advancement has been brought about by men. Men were designed through an evolutionary process to have certain characteristics. Men learn through trials. These trials have three major stages, creation, destruction, and triumph. This can be traced back to the plains of Africa where humans evolved. For the species to survive man had to create a spear, with his creation he had to destroy another creature for its flesh, than he reaped the reward of his homecoming, hence the triumph. Nearly all men act out these three trials out everyday on every level.
Enough with the history. Men keep the world dynamic by acting out these trials everyday. Without the continued destruction AND rebirth innate in this cycle the human race would of went extinct on the plains of Africa. Women on the other hand evolved to compliment the mans role as creator and destroyer. They are the balancer of the species they have the power over breeding. They keep the species stable. It is in female nature (in general) to maintain the status quo. In your utopia civilization would become static, without man as the destroyer. Men and women evolved under very different condition than we live in today. So because the world has changed enough that men no longer need to hunt and gather for their women our role has become redundant. We brought the species all this way from a hunting and gathering society to where it is today to be told we are redundant. We do all the work so you can reap the benefits. Sounds like a typical woman to me.

From Fleshmachine your resident, self righteous, male genius.

 

[Hecate]

Clever approach, peterpan!

I indeed have to admire that concept from the male perspective. Reduce the number of men available, reduce number of competitors and you sure have the choice from the females *lol*

Clever... and making it even look like it was to the women's advantage - admirable indeed!

But sorry, I can't be with you on this one - the concept of training a guy or two or some more though, having them restrained at my wink - indeed *winks* I can agree to THAT without a second's hesitation *lol* so for female domination this way please , this way ... yup, right there, follow the whips and chains on the wall and .... Oooops, sorry, I was just about to tell you to not stumble over the stocks *weg*

Wait - that wasn't what you had in mind?? Tough, buddy! nope, those shackles don't come off that easy again! And you think that ball gag doesn't go too well with that tongue in your cheek??

[Edited by Hecate on 05-08-2001 at 02:54 PM]

 

[peterpan]

Ooh Hecate you sweet talker.

I dunno, after 99 days of constant pampering by 99 different women it might be just what I need

..But don't forget that I am a shared resource! If the seven big and beefy biker women who have me booked for the following week are delivered me all limp and listless.. well!

 

[peterpan]

Fleshmachine! shh! Don't ruin it!

Actually, I think recent (ie last 2000 years)'patriachal' society was designed to put men in the role of women.

One of the main things that the societies attempted to enforce was monogamy. A very unnatural state of affairs and directly opposed to the concept of the alpha male. Why go to that effort?

In most mammal societies the male does very little but consume resources and conserve energy in preparation for the next challenge. Only a small number of males can occupy this position.

This breeds for physical strength and cunning, but I believe tears large societies apart with internal competition between the males.

In a society where monogamy is dictated, pretty much every man has the opertunity of a wife and children. Competition still counts but it is not as fierce.

This allows/forces men to work more towards providing for the longterm future of their children as opposed to competing purely to concieve children at all. This is what makes their position like women, who could not run around leaving children behind them.

When I thing of british and french society I think womanlike. I don't mean weak. females in all systems are seldom weak. Even patriachal society pushed many strengths of women. The main MYTH it pushed was that women could not function without a man present. It is fine to discover radium so long as you need a guy to open a jam-jar for you.

Finally, I propose that these societies were such imperialists not because of male inspired agression but because they could maintain larger armies that could frequently achieve more strategic aims than rape and pillage.

 

[peterpan]

nitengale! CreamyLady!

I like the male species.

There are far more females I would blast off the planet than males.

I do think it is true that some men could definitely use an adjustment or two, preferably made with a big wrench alongside their heads, but on the whole I like men, warts and all.

I am shocked! such selfishness!

Think of the wars, the sexual violence, the WWF, all the things that could be managed so much better by women. There would still be men. Professional men! Alright. lets not get heated and debate this logically. how many hours a week do you actually want a man. Five? Forty hour week.. how about one man for every eight women? Or two women could pool their hours and have him for 10 hours a week. And for the whole ten hours he is NOT sitting around with smelly feet waiting for his dinner. These are WORK hours. Nowdays you just get the shoddy stub-end of a mans day after his work has taken everything out of him. I mean if there are actually women with a fetish for that sort of thing you could volunteer to do his laundry one day a week or something, but are you really getting good professional time with your men now?

 

[nitengale]

Re: nitengale! CreamyLady!

....but are you really getting good professional time with your men now? [/B]

Wanna define this a bit more??

 

[peterpan]

Re: Re: nitengale! CreamyLady!

....but are you really getting good professional time with your men now?

Wanna define this a bit more?? [/B]

It is not my place. The client is always right!

 

[MaxSebastian]

If there were no men, what would women have to talk about?

 

[nitengale]

If there were no men, what would women have to talk about?

The same thing a lot of them do now...each other in horrid bitchy ways.

Which takes me right back to my original post here

 

[Ulyssa]

You posted this poor man's Nietzschean diatribe...

...just to piss half the world's population off, didn't you?

Your female utopia is flawed. Women just need to be more selective with whom they choose to breed with. The current problem with society is the demasculation of men by women especially white men. White men are blamed for every problem our civilized society has.

Sometimes you can make a semi-drinkable wine out of sour grapes. But not much else. Since approx 32% of the world's population is white that puts you as the infallible white male as less than 16% of the entire world's population. Welcome to the minority club, FM.

Yet nearly (and I stress nearly for I wouldn't want to offend anyone) every major technological advancement has been brought about by men. Men were designed through an evolutionary process to have certain characteristics. Men learn through trials.

You forgot to mention that these trials cull out 10% or more of the men involved, men who may have been able to contribute something to the gene pool other than brute strength, marksmanship, or their modern equivalents--road rage and the ability to crush a beer can against your forehead.

[/QUOTE] These trials have three major stages, creation, destruction, and triumph. This can be traced back to the plains of Africa where humans evolved. For the species to survive man had to create a spear, with his creation he had to destroy another creature for its flesh, than he reaped the reward of his homecoming, hence the triumph. Nearly all men act out these three trials out everyday on every level. [/QUOTE]

The hunter caste would march out into the wilderness in search of protein and STAY out there for weeks on end until they finally found something slow enough and weak enough to kill--I don't fault humans for having borrowed this technique from wolves and lions. There was learning involved in the observation.

However the village didn't starve for two weeks while the men were out stabbing a single water buffalo. The women invented cultivation of land, preservation of food, and developed domestication of certain animals. The hunter gatherer society was eroded by the farming society because it was more stable, more dependable, and less dangerous to the younger inexperienced males.

Women on the other hand evolved to compliment the mans role as creator and destroyer. They are the balancer of the species they have the power over breeding. They keep the species stable. It is in female nature (in general) to maintain the status quo. In your utopia civilization would become static, without man as the destroyer.

The jury is out on this one. The weakness of the y chromasome may be responsible for the erratic behaviour that creates the dynamic of learning. It is also responsible for the dynamic of violence as well as all things abusive and anti-nurturing.

[/QUOTE] We do all the work so you can reap the benefits. Sounds like a typical woman to me.
From Fleshmachine your resident, self righteous, male genius. [/QUOTE]

On the plus side, you men do make better comedians.

[Edited by Ulyssa on 05-09-2001 at 07:31 AM]

 

[nitengale]

niten's thoughts...

I love Ulyssa's posts

 

[cymbidia]

I just chanced on this thread today and have to applaud everyone's efforts at having a good time except, of course, poor Fleshmachine.

A little side issue, Fleshmachine: WHAT on earth made you choose such a tacky name? http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/shocked/Oogle_anim.gif Did you think it would garner you respect and online sex? People ought to put a little serious thought into their nicks, for gods sakes! It's not like we have body language and facial expressions and the tonal qualites of sentences to go on here. It's all just words. You ARE your words here. You ARE your name. Fleshmachine. Geeze.

Fleshmachine, hon, you need to go take some humor lessons or you're gonna get eaten alive here at Lit... and it won't be the fun kinda "eat" either.

Lyssa, love you girl! You're just as wickedly pointed and thoroughly amusing as always.

 

[cymbidia]

Btw peterpan darlin', WHY did you post this admittedly amusing thread in the Author's Hangout? Wouldn't it feel more at home over on the GB? It would have garnered far more responses by now over there, too.

 

[CreamyLady]

Possibly because he wanted some literate and witty replies, instead of snuggles and flirts.

Goodness gracious. Am I being bitchy?

 

[Fleshmachine]

Who's laughing?

"Sometimes I'm so sarcastic, I don't even believe myself."
Friedrich Neitzche

 

[spelbynder]

<<Yet nearly (and I stress nearly for I wouldn't want to offend anyone) every major technological advancement has been brought about by men.>>

And what makes you think that we wouldn't have all been getting along just fine without technological advancements and the murderous ecological impact they have on the planet. Not to mention the weakening effect they have had on humans, many of whom have NO IDEA how to live without them now. Funny, humans had no problem thriving 150 years ago, before technology did us all these "favors".
Why do people naturally assume that life is made better by technology? "Progress" is a very sticky word.

To cut a long story short, peterpan's original letter could have been written by me. I just never would have had the guts to put it out there. But I'll jump on the wagon.

By the way, is the editor's forum still active?

 

[nitengale]

By the way, is the editor's forum still active?

It is.

 

[Fleshmachine]

I don't know why I enjoy making women so angry it may be a perverse fetish of mine or it may just be the man in me.

I'm laughing at you now for how seriously my tongue and check Neitzchean society has irritated so many.

It must be why I'm a MAN and you are a woMAN.

 

[CreamyLady]

I don't know why I enjoy making women so angry it may be a perverse fetish of mine or it may just be the man in me.

Dear, it isn't the man in you. It's the sociopath.

 

[Fleshmachine]

Dear, it isn't the man in you. It's the sociopath.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Now that is the funniest thing I've seen on this board yet.

 

[cymbidia]

I don't know why I enjoy making women so angry it may be a perverse fetish of mine or it may just be the man in me.

Dear, it isn't the man in you, it's the imbecile.

 

[peterpan]

Possibly because he wanted some literate and witty replies, instead of snuggles and flirts.

Rats!

..Um, I just thought things were getting a bit heavy. I thought this would be a good thread for women to justify men, and men to slag off themselves completely. I would like more arguments from men, or women, extending my side of the argument which I think is perfectly reasoned.