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No, you didn't read that wrong. Yesterday the wife and I met up with three other couples and we went and saw 50 Shades of Gray and I fucking loved it.
Know why I loved it? Because the movie was a full out, pull no punches portrayal of pure abuse. Emotional, verbal, physical and sexual, nothing but pure abuse. Nothing erotic, nothing sexy, certainly nothing romantic. Just a damn train wreck.
Hats off to Jamie Doran who played Gray so cringe worthy that I was reminded of Joffrey from Game of Thrones for pure loathsomeness. He played this role so well it might hurt his future because he may always be associated with an animal of this nature.
Big props to the director Johnson and whoever wrote the screenplay. They read these books and they filmed the vision and the message they saw there. Abuse. Nothing but abuse.
In the middle of the movie a couple got up and the woman announced she's had a enough of this shit and they left. Being me I followed them and caught up and asked if they would tell me why they were so offended. The guy said he was leaving because he was ready to punch someone who did not exist. The woman said the same and added her daughter just bought the books and she was going home to throw them out.
On that note I'll add I do not know how old the daughter is and not sure I agree with censoring anything. But is she's young enough to still be home, then they have the right and its a parent's job to try to keep what they deem harmful from their kid.
Before I go further I am far from in the minority. This movie is getting wrecked from coast to coast, just trashed. Interesting to see the difference in male/female reviewers. The guys are panning it simply saying it was boring, depressing, uninspiring and pretty much sucked. Even the "twenty minutes of sex" they are touting was nothing as raunchy as they say, except for the dialogue which has some shock value and further lends to Gray's "winning" persona.
The women on the other hand are crushing it for the promotion and glamorization of abuse. Remember Shades is "an erotic romance" isn't it? Please, it never was in book form and the movie removes any question about what it really is.
here is one review I found that sums up many
http://www.mamamia.com.au/rogue/fifty-shades-of-grey-review-rosie-waterland/
I sat through this thing....and it was an act of will to do so. There were points where Dakota Johnson (Ana) looked absolutely terrified, more sexy sexy right there for you. I was there knowing I wouldn't like it, but was still blown away by the no holds barred style.
I kept looking around and seeing a lot of people, men and women alike, looking uncomfortable. I feel more would have left but didn't want to make a scene. We went for coffee afterwards and one woman who had read all three books said in the beginning she thought they were being a little harsh, but as the movie went on she found herself thinking, "You know, he really was that bad."
Two women who had not read the books said there is no way in hell they would buy them and they won't be seeing a sequel.
That's why I loved it. A huge perk of a movie adaptation is a big spike in book sales. That will not happen here. Some, sure. But there will be no huge spike. A guy mentioned that at least it ended with her sucking it up and walking away from him. Which is where the first book ends.
He was ten informed that in the next two books he stalks her gets her back and continues to abuse her, hooking her with a story of his tragic past and at the end he softens up not at all and she just accepts her lot in life.
The sad story of many abused women.
That is why I loved this movie.
This movie is karma. This is an outing of a book claiming to be a sexy erotic romance that "opens the door" for erotica and mommy porn and woke women up! No, this is a book about abuse and women's acceptance of it. The glorification of an asshole in his purest form. The romanticizing of an animal.
Books can be written off as "you read it that way" this movie? There is no room for interpretation. THis is abuse from start to finish. Even the sex is uncomfortable because of his despicable actions and demeanor. This was not BDSM this was point blank, "you will do this because you will." he paid her to abuse her, pure and simple.
The fact she was a simpering inexperienced innocent heightens the creep factor.
Karma. This is the pay out for James, a thieving author and her unethical publisher who knew they were selling something they should not be. There was a suit, they are paying Meyers. These suits have 'gag orders" and they cannot be publicized as part of the deal. Meyers camp decided to make money from shades rather than do it a favor of creating hype by demanding it pulled.
I have a friend who is digging around for some links to the stories leading up to it, I'll post them when I get them.
But forget about plagiarism, forget about making BDSM look bad because that is no longer a concern, the whole thing looks bad now because it is.
The timing could not be worse for the 'franchise' or better for those many who loath what it really stands for.
in 2014 the NFL caused domestic violence to be thrust into the headlines. We were treated with a horrific video of Ray Rice punching his wife out. Followed by what was the even more disturbing press conference where his wife defends him. A woman beaten for so long she feels its now okay.
That is the message in shades pure and simple its sexy to be abused.
Now nothing wrong with writing a book about an asshole, who cares? People will read it. But the fun of this? The book is now exposed. It is no longer erotic, sexy, romantic, it is no longer a raunchier version of a harlequin romance with a "sensitive" bad boy learning to love.
It has now been exposed as book that has a message of glorifying abuse and making women think its "hot"
Older women know-or should-this is fiction, no one really wants a Christian Gray. But younger women, teens, early twenties? This book has been shoved at them as hot and sexy and oh, wouldn't that be cool, meeting a guy like him?
50 shades is a misogynist hand book. Whether James really intended this or she was simply incapable of writing his "coming around" to ana in a believable way and left him an abusive beast...who knows?
This movie is going to heavily damage the 'legacy' of these books. Sometimes controversy can be a way to spark interest and people seeing it. This won't. Domestic violence is a hot bed topic now and people are very PC. The book you "just had to read!" two years ago will become the book/movie "No one should support!"
Of course there will be good reviews-at the least the ones the movie pays for- and there will be spin doctors talking about how "he does get better" or people are reading too much into it.
But the negative is going to shout it down. My gut feeling is somewhere down the line....James will state she is not happy with the vision and Johnson will, be fired for the second movie. They will then so some series re writing to the second script to turn Gray into a groveling shell of himself who is so sorry for what he did. Too little too late, this movie is going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths and you do not get a second chance on a first impression.
People are also fickle. Many go where the wind takes them especially with PC topics. Two years ago "The mommies" as the media called them, ate this up. Mary read it so June had to and now Linda is because..you have too!
Now when Mary and June say "What an abusive asshole" Linda will now say the same thing.
This movie is vindication to the many who called this out as abuse from day one. The ones who were shouted down as prudes and whiners and trying to bring the book down...
Now we will see a lot of the reverse. The people who claim this is some form of romance will not have a leg to stand on and people are very quick to drop anything negative these days...
I wonder...if any retailers will be bullied into pulling the merchandise? Maybe, maybe not, but who cares?
50 shades in its effort to capitalize and make even more money from something they shouldn't have been making money on in the first place have just shot themselves in the foot and sullied the "bubble gum pop" reputation of the books.
Having said all that...I give the movie five stars.
5 stars for accuracy.
5 stars for Dornans creepy and true to character performance.
5 stars for Johnson's looking like a terrified and bullied young girl
and 5 stars for the director looking at these books and not glorifying any of it and shoving it all in people's faces.
Watching this thing was unnerving for me, but so so worth it.
Know why I loved it? Because the movie was a full out, pull no punches portrayal of pure abuse. Emotional, verbal, physical and sexual, nothing but pure abuse. Nothing erotic, nothing sexy, certainly nothing romantic. Just a damn train wreck.
Hats off to Jamie Doran who played Gray so cringe worthy that I was reminded of Joffrey from Game of Thrones for pure loathsomeness. He played this role so well it might hurt his future because he may always be associated with an animal of this nature.
Big props to the director Johnson and whoever wrote the screenplay. They read these books and they filmed the vision and the message they saw there. Abuse. Nothing but abuse.
In the middle of the movie a couple got up and the woman announced she's had a enough of this shit and they left. Being me I followed them and caught up and asked if they would tell me why they were so offended. The guy said he was leaving because he was ready to punch someone who did not exist. The woman said the same and added her daughter just bought the books and she was going home to throw them out.
On that note I'll add I do not know how old the daughter is and not sure I agree with censoring anything. But is she's young enough to still be home, then they have the right and its a parent's job to try to keep what they deem harmful from their kid.
Before I go further I am far from in the minority. This movie is getting wrecked from coast to coast, just trashed. Interesting to see the difference in male/female reviewers. The guys are panning it simply saying it was boring, depressing, uninspiring and pretty much sucked. Even the "twenty minutes of sex" they are touting was nothing as raunchy as they say, except for the dialogue which has some shock value and further lends to Gray's "winning" persona.
The women on the other hand are crushing it for the promotion and glamorization of abuse. Remember Shades is "an erotic romance" isn't it? Please, it never was in book form and the movie removes any question about what it really is.
here is one review I found that sums up many
http://www.mamamia.com.au/rogue/fifty-shades-of-grey-review-rosie-waterland/
I sat through this thing....and it was an act of will to do so. There were points where Dakota Johnson (Ana) looked absolutely terrified, more sexy sexy right there for you. I was there knowing I wouldn't like it, but was still blown away by the no holds barred style.
I kept looking around and seeing a lot of people, men and women alike, looking uncomfortable. I feel more would have left but didn't want to make a scene. We went for coffee afterwards and one woman who had read all three books said in the beginning she thought they were being a little harsh, but as the movie went on she found herself thinking, "You know, he really was that bad."
Two women who had not read the books said there is no way in hell they would buy them and they won't be seeing a sequel.
That's why I loved it. A huge perk of a movie adaptation is a big spike in book sales. That will not happen here. Some, sure. But there will be no huge spike. A guy mentioned that at least it ended with her sucking it up and walking away from him. Which is where the first book ends.
He was ten informed that in the next two books he stalks her gets her back and continues to abuse her, hooking her with a story of his tragic past and at the end he softens up not at all and she just accepts her lot in life.
The sad story of many abused women.
That is why I loved this movie.
This movie is karma. This is an outing of a book claiming to be a sexy erotic romance that "opens the door" for erotica and mommy porn and woke women up! No, this is a book about abuse and women's acceptance of it. The glorification of an asshole in his purest form. The romanticizing of an animal.
Books can be written off as "you read it that way" this movie? There is no room for interpretation. THis is abuse from start to finish. Even the sex is uncomfortable because of his despicable actions and demeanor. This was not BDSM this was point blank, "you will do this because you will." he paid her to abuse her, pure and simple.
The fact she was a simpering inexperienced innocent heightens the creep factor.
Karma. This is the pay out for James, a thieving author and her unethical publisher who knew they were selling something they should not be. There was a suit, they are paying Meyers. These suits have 'gag orders" and they cannot be publicized as part of the deal. Meyers camp decided to make money from shades rather than do it a favor of creating hype by demanding it pulled.
I have a friend who is digging around for some links to the stories leading up to it, I'll post them when I get them.
But forget about plagiarism, forget about making BDSM look bad because that is no longer a concern, the whole thing looks bad now because it is.
The timing could not be worse for the 'franchise' or better for those many who loath what it really stands for.
in 2014 the NFL caused domestic violence to be thrust into the headlines. We were treated with a horrific video of Ray Rice punching his wife out. Followed by what was the even more disturbing press conference where his wife defends him. A woman beaten for so long she feels its now okay.
That is the message in shades pure and simple its sexy to be abused.
Now nothing wrong with writing a book about an asshole, who cares? People will read it. But the fun of this? The book is now exposed. It is no longer erotic, sexy, romantic, it is no longer a raunchier version of a harlequin romance with a "sensitive" bad boy learning to love.
It has now been exposed as book that has a message of glorifying abuse and making women think its "hot"
Older women know-or should-this is fiction, no one really wants a Christian Gray. But younger women, teens, early twenties? This book has been shoved at them as hot and sexy and oh, wouldn't that be cool, meeting a guy like him?
50 shades is a misogynist hand book. Whether James really intended this or she was simply incapable of writing his "coming around" to ana in a believable way and left him an abusive beast...who knows?
This movie is going to heavily damage the 'legacy' of these books. Sometimes controversy can be a way to spark interest and people seeing it. This won't. Domestic violence is a hot bed topic now and people are very PC. The book you "just had to read!" two years ago will become the book/movie "No one should support!"
Of course there will be good reviews-at the least the ones the movie pays for- and there will be spin doctors talking about how "he does get better" or people are reading too much into it.
But the negative is going to shout it down. My gut feeling is somewhere down the line....James will state she is not happy with the vision and Johnson will, be fired for the second movie. They will then so some series re writing to the second script to turn Gray into a groveling shell of himself who is so sorry for what he did. Too little too late, this movie is going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths and you do not get a second chance on a first impression.
People are also fickle. Many go where the wind takes them especially with PC topics. Two years ago "The mommies" as the media called them, ate this up. Mary read it so June had to and now Linda is because..you have too!
Now when Mary and June say "What an abusive asshole" Linda will now say the same thing.
This movie is vindication to the many who called this out as abuse from day one. The ones who were shouted down as prudes and whiners and trying to bring the book down...
Now we will see a lot of the reverse. The people who claim this is some form of romance will not have a leg to stand on and people are very quick to drop anything negative these days...
I wonder...if any retailers will be bullied into pulling the merchandise? Maybe, maybe not, but who cares?
50 shades in its effort to capitalize and make even more money from something they shouldn't have been making money on in the first place have just shot themselves in the foot and sullied the "bubble gum pop" reputation of the books.
Having said all that...I give the movie five stars.
5 stars for accuracy.
5 stars for Dornans creepy and true to character performance.
5 stars for Johnson's looking like a terrified and bullied young girl
and 5 stars for the director looking at these books and not glorifying any of it and shoving it all in people's faces.
Watching this thing was unnerving for me, but so so worth it.
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