I /Might/ Vote Republican.

[Joe Wordsworth]

Ron Paul has floored me.

 

[Carnevil9]

It's all part of growing up.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

It's all part of growing up.

Yep. I've heard it happens sometimes in the best of families.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[mikey2much]

check your check stub

Hi Joe,

It all depends on how much you make. If you are rich and getting richer than voting repubican is the thing to do. However if you are a working man and you hope someday to be able to feed and care for a family like a man should be able to do, then you should vote for a democrat. If you are pissed off at the country and the way it is going, and you can see that both sides are crooked, don't vote at all and you send the message that our democarcy is as hollow as our leaders head.

Just the humble opinion of a goverment hating old hippie.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hi Joe,

It all depends on how much you make. If you are rich and getting richer than voting repubican is the thing to do. However if you are a working man and you hope someday to be able to feed and care for a family like a man should be able to do, then you should vote for a democrat. If you are pissed off at the country and the way it is going, and you can see that both sides are crooked, don't vote at all and you send the message that our democarcy is as hollow as our leaders head.

Just the humble opinion of a goverment hating old hippie.

Don't vote at all and let the reps have the election? I don't think we have that luxury.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Don't vote at all and let the reps have the election? I don't think we have that luxury.

and please don't vote for the green party and split the dem vote!

 

[Stella_Omega]

and please don't vote for the green party and split the dem vote!

Ol' Ben Franklin said; "If we don't hang together, we'll hang separately."

 

[Huckleman2000]

LOL!
Ron Paul is not your boss's Republican, that's for sure.
Unfortunately, the Republican party of today is trying to muzzle him, and not let him into any more debates. It's too bad, I think, because he represents a [largely Goldwater/Libertarian] constituency that the modern GOP has taken for granted, and thus left by the wayside. I think it says something that the GOP used to make big hay when 'Pro-Life' Dems such as PA governor Casey didn't get prime-time speaking slots at the national conventions, and now they can't even stomach Ron Paul at a debate without vilifying him.

 

[Stella_Omega]

he does sound like Goldwater-- the way Goldwater would probably sound today;
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Actually, I hear Goldwater whizzing around in his grave.

 

[john-the-author]

Hi Joe,

It all depends on how much you make. If you are rich and getting richer than voting repubican is the thing to do. However if you are a working man and you hope someday to be able to feed and care for a family like a man should be able to do, then you should vote for a democrat. If you are pissed off at the country and the way it is going, and you can see that both sides are crooked, don't vote at all and you send the message that our democarcy is as hollow as our leaders head.

Just the humble opinion of a goverment hating old hippie.

I'd like to qualify that statement to be "if you are rich and getting richer and don't give a crap about social responsibility...." Speaking as someone who's a trust fund baby, I was nevertheless brought up with an enormous sense of social responsibility and I don't think the rich are taxed nearly as much as we/they deserve.

Boy howdy, if that ain't putting my money where my mouth is....

John

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'd like to qualify that statement to be "if you are rich and getting richer and don't give a crap about social responsibility...." Speaking as someone who's a trust fund baby, I was nevertheless brought up with an enormous sense of social responsibility and I don't think the rich are taxed nearly as much as we/they deserve.

Boy howdy, if that ain't putting my money where my mouth is....

John

Start a scholarship!

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have sometimes voted for a Rep. and sometimes voted for a Dem. Usually, I look over the two major candidates, decide which one is the worse, and vote for the other one, whatever party that happens to be.

And, once in a while, I will find a candidate I can actually get behind. It is never a career politician, all of whom should be hanged.

 

[cantdog]

I have sometimes voted for a Rep. and sometimes voted for a Dem. Usually, I look over the two major candidates, decide which one is the worse, and vote for the other one, whatever party that happens to be.

And, once in a while, I will find a candidate I can actually get behind. It is never a career politician, all of whom should be hanged.

Thanks, Box! Laughin', here. And I say go ahead and vote Republican, Joe. It's tradition.

 

[john-the-author]

Start a scholarship!

Actually, kinda working on something like that....

 

[S-Des]

I'm shopping for a good Independent. I still might be swayed by Obama (although he's way too Liberal for my tastes) or a Republican (although that's looking less and less likely). However, in a contest between Hillary or Edwards and [insert name here] Republican, I'll happily vote for None Of The Above.

 

[mdb913]

I cannot wait until 2020 when I'm old enough to run for President. If Bush can make it, I can.

 

[mikey2much]

a rich american

I'd like to qualify that statement to be "if you are rich and getting richer and don't give a crap about social responsibility...." Speaking as someone who's a trust fund baby, I was nevertheless brought up with an enormous sense of social responsibility and I don't think the rich are taxed nearly as much as we/they deserve.

Boy howdy, if that ain't putting my money where my mouth is....

John

Hi John,

You can be a rich American and still be a good man. It just means that you have to remember that the American is more important than the Rich. You statement tells me that you are an American first and rich second.
I salute your ability to understand that.
mikey

 

[mikey2much]

its better to not vote than to vote repubican

Don't vote at all and let the reps have the election? I don't think we have that luxury.

I understand where you are coming from Stella, but it would be better not to vote than to vote for a repubican. If he votes for a repubican than it will take one democratic vote to cancel his. Not voting at all would be better for the country

 

[mikey2much]

I had never heard of the guy

LOL!
Ron Paul is not your boss's Republican, that's for sure.
Unfortunately, the Republican party of today is trying to muzzle him, and not let him into any more debates. It's too bad, I think, because he represents a [largely Goldwater/Libertarian] constituency that the modern GOP has taken for granted, and thus left by the wayside. I think it says something that the GOP used to make big hay when 'Pro-Life' Dems such as PA governor Casey didn't get prime-time speaking slots at the national conventions, and now they can't even stomach Ron Paul at a debate without vilifying him.

This thread is the first that I have heard of Ron Paul. He is impressive. My father used to say that 'birds of a father flock together', so I have trouble trusting any repubican. The U tube thing really points out how Fox is so much in the pocket of the right-wing nuts in the bush admin.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm shopping for a good Independent. I still might be swayed by Obama (although he's way too Liberal for my tastes) or a Republican (although that's looking less and less likely). However, in a contest between Hillary or Edwards and [insert name here] Republican, I'll happily vote for None Of The Above.

I wish we could vote "none of the above", and have that vote count in the totals. It would be better than not voting or voting for a third party candidate. The former says nothing and the latter just looks like a vote for a specific candidate. "None of the above" would send a message that you don't consider any of the candidates to be worth voting for. If enough of those votes were cast, the major parties might sit up and take notice. Personally, I think NOTA might have won the presidential election in 2004.

There are rich Dems too. Actually, most career politicians of either party have gotten rich at the public troughs, and from all the kickbacks and bribes they get.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

This thread is the first that I have heard of Ron Paul. He is impressive. My father used to say that 'birds of a father flock together', so I have trouble trusting any repubican. The U tube thing really points out how Fox is so much in the pocket of the right-wing nuts in the bush admin.

Paul is my hero.

I think, with a Democrat legislature, that the libertarian-esque Paul would probably fix the whole country without going /too/ far (I fear for Hillary and a blue Congress, together, being Bush and the NeoCons all over again). He's got the best voting record in Congress and so far, I haven't heard him /spin/ anything.

 

[Kev H]

Very interesting stuff, from what little I see, but he'll never make it, because he spouts far too much common sense in a party that is leaning fascist. If the republican party wants to recover from the Bush era with pride, they need to realize their follies and reinvent themselves in the more historic values of our Republic, and this guy could very well be a good leader to do so.

If our nation gets lucky, it will be Ron Paul vs Obama in the election (as those are the best each party has to offer--to us and to the world). Either one of those should have the faculties and philosophical underpinnings to help us along. The other candidates are so suspect that they will certainly increase the no-vote-of-confidence (I used to think about Guiliani, but it's clear now that he's being lead around by his party extremists--heavily influenced upon this fresh exposure, unlike Ron).

 

[Boxlicker101]

Very interesting stuff, from what little I see, but he'll never make it, because he spouts far too much common sense in a party that is leaning fascist. If the republican party wants to recover from the Bush era with pride, they need to realize their follies and reinvent themselves in the more historic values of our Republic, and this guy could very well be a good leader to do so.

If our nation gets lucky, it will be Ron Paul vs Obama in the election (as those are the best each party has to offer--to us and to the world). Either one of those should have the faculties and philosophical underpinnings to help us along. The other candidates are so suspect that they will certainly increase the no-vote-of-confidence (I used to think about Guiliani, but it's clear now that he's being lead around by his party extremists--heavily influenced upon this fresh exposure, unlike Ron).

Neither of these guys is likely to be nominated, though. The problem is that the extremists in both parties, although not majorities, are strong enough and unified enough to help their favorites win pluralities in the primaries. However, these favorites will not attract independents or members of the rival party, so people vote like I do - against the worse of the two candidates. NOTA would enable people to really state their views.

I don't think Guiliani is being led all that much. He is still pro-choice.

 

[mikey2much]

Two stepping to a police state

When you always find yourself taking the lesser of two evils, you are always moving in a bad direction.

The real disaster in the last election, was the fact that Bush and Kerry was the only choices. Can we possibly be that far down the slope that these two men were the best we had to choose from.

Any system, that feels that these two are the hero's we needed to save us, is as borken as FEMA was when it dealt with Katrina.


We have a system that vets every person running for office by making him/her have to raise vast amounts of money before they have a chance of winning. If you are unwilling to sell your soul, you can't get elected.


If Paul gets to run I will feel so much better for my country at large.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

When you always find yourself taking the lesser of two evils, you are always moving in a bad direction.

The real disaster in the last election, was the fact that Bush and Kerry was the only choices. Can we possibly be that far down the slope that these two men were the best we had to choose from.

Any system, that feels that these two are the hero's we needed to save us, is as borken as FEMA was when it dealt with Katrina.


We have a system that vets every person running for office by making him/her have to raise vast amounts of money before they have a chance of winning. If you are unwilling to sell your soul, you can't get elected.


If Paul gets to run I will feel so much better for my country at large.

It's his rationality, clarity, and education that speak to me. He's one of the most widely, and highly, educated people in Congress; and certainly the most educated since Jefferson, as presidential candidates go. I was going to vote Hillary (I know), but pretty much because I didn't have a better idea.

I'm so dissollusioned with the Democrats right now. They collectively /failed/. They gave in to the White House and have shown themselves to be worthless--to me, anyway.