I Love Gay Male!!

[Cruel2BKind]

Well, to be more specific, I think the audience rocks.

First off, I've only gotten a few negative comments, and those are always well thought out. Not just trolling.

And also, I wrote a story that was supposed to be about a pair of survivors in a post-apocalyptic world, and it turned into a gritty dark story about rape and fear and the constant threat of death. I don't even think there was any consensual sex in the first chapter..

But my audience loved it all the same!

I love you gay male audience! Thank you for dealing with my inconsistencies, and thank you for the constructive criticism

 

[WittePiet]

I've been posting a series of Gay Male stories for just a year. I write to please myself, but publish them in the hope that others will appreciate them. A few do, but not many. Only about 3 people have nominated me as a favorite author. It's clear from the bit of feedback that I get from the few who bother to comment, that they like my style and the care I take in putting a story together, but only a few like the subject matter. Part of the problem may be that there are perhaps not enough sex scenes, or that I do not make the sex convincing enough. Of course I should not really care a shit about what people think, but I can't help wishing more people would like what I write, even though I am not writing for them. As a rough guide, how many sex episodes would you consider there might be in a 6-page story? Typically for me this would be three. Maybe that's too few.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I've been posting a series of Gay Male stories for just a year. I write to please myself, but publish them in the hope that others will appreciate them. A few do, but not many. Only about 3 people have nominated me as a favorite author. It's clear from the bit of feedback that I get from the few who bother to comment, that they like my style and the care I take in putting a story together, but only a few like the subject matter. Part of the problem may be that there are perhaps not enough sex scenes, or that I do not make the sex convincing enough. Of course I should not really care a shit about what people think, but I can't help wishing more people would like what I write, even though I am not writing for them. As a rough guide, how many sex episodes would you consider there might be in a 6-page story? Typically for me this would be three. Maybe that's too few.

Is that six Lit. pages or six pages on your computer? For the latter, it would be excessive, with no time to really dwell on the sensations of the men involved or telling a story. For six Lit. pagesm, it would probably be enough, but that would also depend on the nature of the scenes and the rest of the story.

 

[nomoretears00]

I usually have one to two sex scenes in my stories, but sexual tension is usually bubbling there under the surface, lol. And my stories now average 4-6 Lit pages. I think the type of story-plot driven vs stroke-really plays into it, too.

But... I've also done a story that was based on four chatacters from another series and that was pure stroke, lol.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

depends, I usually try to put at least one sex scene in my stories, but that doesn't always happen, and my stories range from one lit page to five.

 

[talismania]

Most of my chapters are about 4 pages, but my stand alone stories tend to be 5-6 Lit pages. I try to have at least one sex scene per chapter and think that getting to the sex can be sexy in itself. I just hope my readers agree. For a stand alone story, I'd aim for 2 or more solid sex scenes.

And yes, gay male stories attract a nice readership, very supportive.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I wonder what percentage of gay male stories are written by women?

I'm guessing that the percentage of gay female stories written by men is a lot higher, but that's just a guess.

 

[sr71plt]

I wonder what percentage of gay male stories are written by women?

Most of them, I think.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I wonder what percentage of gay male stories are written by women?

I'm guessing that the percentage of gay female stories written by men is a lot higher, but that's just a guess.

Most of them, I think.

Myself included

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Corollary: Then do you think women appreciate male homosexual sex in the same way and for the same reason that male gays appreciate it?

Do you think men appreciate lesbian sex in the same way and for the same reason gay women do?

 

[sr71plt]

Corollary: Then do you think women appreciate male homosexual sex in the same way and for the same reason that male gays appreciate it?

No. I don't think women fully understand the dynamics of man-on-man and, therefore, the emotions involved. They usually are looking for something deeper and more connecting--either in writing or reading it--than most male gays are--either in doing it or reading about it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Corollary: Then do you think women appreciate male homosexual sex in the same way and for the same reason that male gays appreciate it?

Do you think men appreciate lesbian sex in the same way and for the same reason gay women do?

Nope, and nope.

One could, if one were inclined, learn a great deal about "What women want" and "What men want" by reading their versions of the opposite sex's same-sex fantasies.

 

[talismania]

Corollary: Then do you think women appreciate male homosexual sex in the same way and for the same reason that male gays appreciate it?

Do you think men appreciate lesbian sex in the same way and for the same reason gay women do?

Nope and nope. I also don't think men appreciate female heterosexual sex in the same way females appreciate it, or women appreciate male heterosexual sex in the same way as the men. Part of what makes the world go 'round and all that.

Although when writing gay male stories I endeavor to understand and appreciate male homosexual sex, I'm not writing about the sex so much as the relationship to begin with. I think female fans of gay male stories appreciate the opportunity to engage in male sexuality differently than in (most) heterosexual stories, but many do so from a female perspective focused on family dynamics, finding true love (very often the ONE true love), and nurturing the wounded and damaged.

I'd be interested to know how homosexual men feel about women taking such an interest in their sexuality, though not their lifestyle. One of my editors, a gay man, is not particularly happy about trends in gay literature.

 

[sr71plt]

I'd be interested to know how homosexual men feel about women taking such an interest in their sexuality, though not their lifestyle. One of my editors, a gay man, is not particularly happy about trends in gay literature.

It makes me write with three different emphases, depending on the target audience. When I want it to be taken as a literary work, I focus on the relationship--and anticipate the readership and responses to be female-reader based. When I want to concentrate on the viseral "in-the-moment," I focus on the sex act (and what leads up to it)--and anticipate just the "that's hot" and "wish it was me" responses that mostly (but not always) seem to be from gay male readers. My favorite style, though, is to try to hit both levels in the same story. Then I do get good, mixed, comments, but not so great ratings.

I'm not wild by female GM writers, but female GM readers is fine, because I assume they are the bulk of the buyers for my market production and they usually provide the better comments.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Nope and nope. I also don't think men appreciate female heterosexual sex in the same way females appreciate it, or women appreciate male heterosexual sex in the same way as the men. Part of what makes the world go 'round and all that.

What she said!

I'd be interested to know how homosexual men feel about women taking such an interest in their sexuality, though not their lifestyle. One of my editors, a gay man, is not particularly happy about trends in gay literature.

Nobody especially likes seeing their identity objectified, or misread, or reinterpreted.

I've seen slash that makes me cringe. I couldn't read two women carrying on like that, much less two men. Likewise most male- written girl-on-girl is umm... mighty boyish.

That said, there are men who can write quite decent lesbian erotica, and women who I've had to doublecheck on their sex because their writing was so close to gay men's writing styles. And I know of at least one gay man who writes in a distinctly slashy style. As always there will be more variation within a group that between the groups.

 

[Verdad]

Nope, and nope.

One could, if one were inclined, learn a great deal about "What women want" and "What men want" by reading their versions of the opposite sex's same-sex fantasies.

Agreed. I’ve got slash coming up my ears, I’ve read so much of it these days, and it’s fascinating and amusing.

Often I’m creeped out by the way male writers write women in erotic situations, with all the projecting and wishful thinking going on, but now I have to admit women do it right back. A part of me smirks and thinks, well, it’s only fair, but in truth I find that creepy too.

I no doubt want something different from a gay male story than does a gay male, and that’s fine with me, but for me it has to stay somewhat on the right side of plausible, if hanging on to it by fingernails.

Or maybe it’s just that I don’t want anyone—no man, woman, or beast—to act the way some of these paper males do, wringing their hands about ‘virginity’ and such.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Or maybe it’s just that I don’t want anyone—no man, woman, or beast—to act the way some of these paper males do, wringing their hands about ‘virginity’ and such.

Yeah-- isn't that the wierdest thing!

That, and the worrying about DOES HE LIKE ME and the ever popular "I'm not ready to go all the way (I.E. anal sex) so lets just sleep together indefinitely" routine. Projection, thy name is slash writer. These women are so young.

 

[talismania]

That, and the worrying about DOES HE LIKE ME and the ever popular "I'm not ready to go all the way (I.E. anal sex) so lets just sleep together indefinitely" routine. Projection, thy name is slash writer. These women are so young.

I think it's interesting that anal sex is so much of a requirement in these stories. Not all gay men engage in anal sex. Some never do. Not much different than straight folk: some women or men never have anal sex, only vaginal or oral sex. But you don't see a lot of gay male stories without anal sex. (And I'm guilty as charged, but will plead that I adore unraveling the psychology of penetration, and ultimately write to what I like.)

 

[Verdad]

Yeah-- isn't that the wierdest thing!

It is, isn’t it? One would think one of the attractions of a slash story would be precisely to put aside some of the gender related expectations and age-old warring tendencies and let the characters approach each other as two…people, but a good number of writers puts all of that back in, and with a vengeance.

That, and the worrying about DOES HE LIKE ME and the ever popular "I'm not ready to go all the way (I.E. anal sex) so lets just sleep together indefinitely" routine. Projection, thy name is slash writer. These women are so young.

I think so, and hope so too. It’s sweet, with some of these stories, if you imagine the writer being fourteen, but rather alarming if she’s not!

But I have to say the best stuff I’ve come across tends to be by women too. When it’s someone with maturity, good sense of observation, and writing talent, it certainly appeals to me, whether or not it would appeal to a man.

 

[talismania]

It makes me write with three different emphases, depending on the target audience. When I want it to be taken as a literary work, I focus on the relationship--and anticipate the readership and responses to be female-reader based. When I want to concentrate on the viseral "in-the-moment," I focus on the sex act (and what leads up to it)--and anticipate just the "that's hot" and "wish it was me" responses that mostly (but not always) seem to be from gay male readers. My favorite style, though, is to try to hit both levels in the same story. Then I do get good, mixed, comments, but not so great ratings.

I like the stories with both levels myself and seek them out. I like a tight story with raw physical action and emotions. Best of all is when it achieves literary quality. The market is skewed more toward romances, though, at least among publishers I've visited. All is good. I just enjoy trying to figure out how things fit together.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It is, isn’t it? One would think one of the attractions of a slash story would be precisely to put aside some of the gender related expectations and age-old warring tendencies and let the characters approach each other as two…people, but a good number of writers puts all of that back in, and with a vengeance.

I think that the best of them do it to explore the power imbalances that go along with being physically smaller and weaker than one's partner-- or being more emotionally vulnerable than one's partner-- without the gender expectations. come to think of it, the worst might be doing the same thing, only not as successfully.

I think so, and hope so too. It’s sweet, with some of these stories, if you imagine the writer being fourteen, but rather alarming if she’s not!

But I have to say the best stuff I’ve come across tends to be by women too. When it’s someone with maturity, good sense of observation, and writing talent, it certainly appeals to me, whether or not it would appeal to a man.

Yup. Same here.

 

[sr71plt]

I like the stories with both levels myself and seek them out. I like a tight story with raw physical action and emotions. Best of all is when it achieves literary quality. The market is skewed more toward romances, though, at least among publishers I've visited. All is good. I just enjoy trying to figure out how things fit together.

Do lots of voting and commenting on stories then, please.

 

[WittePiet]

I suspect that most of the readers who comment on my GM stories are female (even when they are registered, they don't always declare what sex they are). Yet I am convinced that men find it difficult to find out what turns women on, whereas all men, gay or not, have a good idea of what turns a man on. My stories have a very strong element of wish-fulfilment in them, and from the first story that I ever wrote, I decided that fiction should not be like real life, and that endings should always be either happy or indecisive. Also factual accuracy (about events, places, timing etc) is not important in fiction, providing that you carry the reader along. My first story was nearly shot down by several readers objecting to factual inaccuracy, and in the end I was obliged to correct my mistake. If my story had been more compelling, maybe they would have forgiven me and not commented...

 

[WittePiet]

Clarification

When I did my first post above, by a "Six-page story" I meant six literotica.com pages, i.e. quite a long story.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yet I am convinced that men find it difficult to find out what turns women on, whereas all men, gay or not, have a good idea of what turns a man on.

And not only most men, but most women as well. After all, men have ruled the pron industry since its conception-- it's almost impossible to not learn the lessons implicit in it.

What turns most women on;

1: context of almost any sort-- emotional context is good, but other forms of context can be perfectly acceptable. A mention of physical sensation. A little hint as to how the character perceives the action, and what it means in the larger picture.

1.a: This does NOT, for christ's sake, mean "I love you" in every sex scene. Sometimes "I hate you" is a hella turnon. Sometimes "Ouch that hurts" works real good. Sometimes all it takes is a car horn sounding on the street outside the bedroom. Or a personal pride in the job promotion that they are celebrating with the sex they're having. Anything.​

What turns most men on;

1:Simple, concrete, descriptions of sex.

1.a:A nod to the power of the penis.​